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OG_SolareusOG_Solareus Member RarePosts: 1,041
SO getting bored in PVE I decided to play in cyrodiil for a while and it was a good wake up call that I was wasting time.

When people think of mmo pvp  or least when I do I think of building a character that functions in both modes because compitent game designers know that people are building a character to do just that.

Not ESO, ESO is the special snowflake. ESO decides to pack the game full of armor sets that don't function  the same in PVE and PVP. They decided to almost create a new mitigation system pvp that "balances" the shit show they have with the different armor sets.

All of sudden magicka doesn't function as magicka , stamina is magicka, health is stamina . it is so stupid that people try and say it's deep and interesting.

It's about as deep as nothing. The game has created aan illussion of elitism thasat is makes me want to vomit.  There is so much gear in the game, that if you don't have the exact cookie cutter set up as everyone who is one shotting people, you might as well not ever go into the zone.

Cyrodiil was reral eye opener, and the final nail in my ESO distater.

My account is now deleted fpr ESO, all the money spent was for nothing.

I'm going back to only playing Korean mmos exclusively because western mmos are literal trash from head to toe.
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  • OG_SolareusOG_Solareus Member RarePosts: 1,041
    and it's offical. I know longer play or have an eso account :) .
    IselineoloeKyleran
  • eoloeeoloe Member RarePosts: 864
    Careful! There are weird rumors about a twisted ESO dev necroing deleted accounts for dark purposes...

    You should check that your account is REALLY deleted on a regular basis.
    Kyleran
  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,583
    SO getting bored in PVE I decided to play in cyrodiil for a while and it was a good wake up call that I was wasting time.

    When people think of mmo pvp  or least when I do I think of building a character that functions in both modes because compitent game designers know that people are building a character to do just that.

    Not ESO, ESO is the special snowflake. ESO decides to pack the game full of armor sets that don't function  the same in PVE and PVP. They decided to almost create a new mitigation system pvp that "balances" the shit show they have with the different armor sets.

    All of sudden magicka doesn't function as magicka , stamina is magicka, health is stamina . it is so stupid that people try and say it's deep and interesting.

    It's about as deep as nothing. The game has created aan illussion of elitism thasat is makes me want to vomit.  There is so much gear in the game, that if you don't have the exact cookie cutter set up as everyone who is one shotting people, you might as well not ever go into the zone.

    Cyrodiil was reral eye opener, and the final nail in my ESO distater.

    My account is now deleted fpr ESO, all the money spent was for nothing.

    I'm going back to only playing Korean mmos exclusively because western mmos are literal trash from head to toe.

    It is indeed your ESO disaster. Happily it has now concluded. It gives one hope the recounting of it will follow suit eventually.

    Good luck finding something more suited to your taste elsewhere.
    Sovrath
  • OG_SolareusOG_Solareus Member RarePosts: 1,041
    edited December 2022
    eoloe said:
    Careful! There are weird rumors about a twisted ESO dev necroing deleted accounts for dark purposes...

    You should check that your account is REALLY deleted on a regular basis.

    will do.

    What zenimax has done is perverse and disgusting. They think people are not wise enough or clevelr enough to see  that they made the stat system "non-binary" with a focus on "penetration".

    ESO is the cho mo paradise. you can see it in the videos the"content" creators make.

    luckly I ended it before I sank anymore money into it. only lost Imperial Edition, Summerset xpac , 6 months of paid game time total and high isle collectors edition.

    Tried deleted skyrim from my Steam account but they won't let me..
  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,485
    edited December 2022
    eoloe said:
    Careful! There are weird rumors about a twisted ESO dev necroing deleted accounts for dark purposes...

    You should check that your account is REALLY deleted on a regular basis.


    Source, Links to an article on this? If you got it share...Preferably a legitimate one, I don't wanna have to decode someones giant red text conspiratorial diatribe.
    Kyleran
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,423
    edited December 2022
    The best way a MMO can run PvE and PvP is to keep the gear separate, what you use in PvP should be useless in PvE and visa versa. From what the OP said some changes occur but not consistent ones, that does sound confusing but it seemed to me that he expected gear to fully work, whether doing PvP or PvE which is the very worst way you can run a MMO. In MMOs that do not have clearly defined PvE or PvP areas some compromise has to be reached, but in MMOs which have separate PvP and PvE zones you need to put a big dividing line between the gear sets.
    kitaradKyleran
  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,177
    I think this is an excellent way to separate the players who like to advance with PvP and those who enjoy PvE with a side of PvP.

    PvPers should work to obtain their own set of gear and you would trivialize their effort if you allowed players who have worked to obtain PvE gear to fight against them competitively.

    Put in the effort they did and then you can talk about it being a bad system. You cannot just waltz in without the gear and expect to do well. You would take away any sense of achievement the players  in Cyrodiil have if you make it easy for others to come in and this is probably one of the reasons the PvP in the game is popular.
    Scot

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    kitarad said:
    I think this is an excellent way to separate the players who like to advance with PvP and those who enjoy PvE with a side of PvP.

    PvPers should work to obtain their own set of gear and you would trivialize their effort if you allowed players who have worked to obtain PvE gear to fight against them competitively.

    Put in the effort they did and then you can talk about it being a bad system. You cannot just waltz in without the gear and expect to do well. You would take away any sense of achievement the players  in Cyrodiil have if you make it easy for others to come in and this is probably one of the reasons the PvP in the game is popular.
    Most people don't really understand that in ESO while having the correct gear is certainly important whether doing PVP or PVE, two other factors play a huge factor.

    First, the best PVP players are almost always grouped with other team members who's buffs well compliment each other adding significant power when they all work together, can make some nigh unkillable.

    Second, one's build in a particular set of armor combined at their skill in weaving (light and heavy) can easily double their damage output vs those who haven't mastered the system.

    Zenimax often changes up the meta, requiring those who excel to regularly obtain new gear, builds and require great practice to master.

    It's a complicated system which I never came close to mastering, much less really understanding as most of what I just wrote is based on observation, watching videos on the subject and talking to folks who understood better than I how it all worked.

    It certainly is a huge contrast to some Korean MMOs where all one has to do is +15 whatever top tier gear they are wearing and dominant those who aren't buffed to to same degree, though even in those game being grouped and buffed by team mates usually plays a factor, along with of course actual player PVP skill.

    You can dislike ESO's design, I'm not particularly fond of it myself,  but that doesn't make it horrible.


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  • OG_SolareusOG_Solareus Member RarePosts: 1,041
    edited December 2022
    We'll see.

    I can't think of many designs who will just set magicka to 0 for + resistence to magic. Stamina set 0 on + evade and health set to 0 on tankiness.

    The only path is to use the exact gear load as someone else. it's by definition "cookie cutter".  even when you belive you need two different sets, you actually don't.

    This is what I was saying about "elitest" , it is a facade, they have maybe 2 different meta build in class, and all other builds are irrelevant. "Cookie Cutter".
  • OG_SolareusOG_Solareus Member RarePosts: 1,041
    edited December 2022
    from 2019 on steam

    "
    Sweet Businessman 9 mei 2019 om 4:20 
    ESO PVP is like Brexit - some think it's good, some don't, and it could easily be sorted out so everyone would like it but both ppl in charge are kinda lazy or not exactly good at balancing or doing it..

    "
     That's exactly whatr I see, laziness to balance. Seems the solution is just make some new meta gear and call it a day. instead of actually wworking the math of resistence when it comes to you characters basic core stats.

    Basic core stats are the foundation of everything in an mmo, except for eso... :D


    I can't even come up with one mmorpg that isn't based on a solid foundation of core stat mathematics.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    from 2019 on steam

    "
    Sweet Businessman 9 mei 2019 om 4:20 
    ESO PVP is like Brexit - some think it's good, some don't, and it could easily be sorted out so everyone would like it but both ppl in charge are kinda lazy or not exactly good at balancing or doing it..

    "
     That's exactly whatr I see, laziness to balance. Seems the solution is just make some new meta gear and call it a day. instead of actually wworking the math of resistence when it comes to you characters basic core stats.

    Basic core stats are the foundation of everything in an mmo, except for eso... :D


    I can't even come up with one mmorpg that isn't based on a solid foundation of core stat mathematics.
    Besides EVE you mean, yes?

    I'm not really understanding what your point is, can you present any actual examples that ESO's PVP isn't built on core stats?

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  • OG_SolareusOG_Solareus Member RarePosts: 1,041
    edited December 2022
    Kyleran said:
    from 2019 on steam

    "
    Sweet Businessman 9 mei 2019 om 4:20 
    ESO PVP is like Brexit - some think it's good, some don't, and it could easily be sorted out so everyone would like it but both ppl in charge are kinda lazy or not exactly good at balancing or doing it..

    "
     That's exactly whatr I see, laziness to balance. Seems the solution is just make some new meta gear and call it a day. instead of actually wworking the math of resistence when it comes to you characters basic core stats.

    Basic core stats are the foundation of everything in an mmo, except for eso... :D


    I can't even come up with one mmorpg that isn't based on a solid foundation of core stat mathematics.
    Besides EVE you mean, yes?

    I'm not really understanding what your point is, can you present any actual examples that ESO's PVP isn't built on core stats?

    maxing out sdtats , is ineffective now. So earlier armor sets like Necropotance which is a magic set is useless. What is even stranger, it really only seems to target magicika as a whole forcing sorc to go stamina to get the same dps they would've had with just straight magika.. THen adding a 1 specific 2 peice set that "you must have" to compete is very shallow design imho.
    Kyleran
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