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John Smedley Has Left Amazon Game Studios | MMORPG.com

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  • LobotomistLobotomist Member EpicPosts: 5,981
    Well this certanly does not bode well for Amazon.
    If they had EQ type game in development its probably just another killed in development game on Amazon portfolio.

    I just hope Smed restarts HeroSong development
    TokkenOG_Solareus



  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,427
    edited January 2023
    Xiaoki said:
    IceAge said:
    Finally!

    This guy has ruined everywhere in his path. Is a very weak .. in whatever his position is/was.

    I mean...having SOE under his belt and wasn't able to make a big impact and create a successful company , says a lot about his .. leadership.

    I say he's the reason for most of the fails at Amazon since his arrival. I'm sure Amazon Games will be a better company from now on.

    Once again you have no idea what your are talking about.

    AGS has cancelled around a dozen games and Smedley was only involved with a few of them.

    But, sure, spew hate and misinformation, that's what you are here for after all.
    AGS had nearly all of its projects flounder before he ever joined them, so that's down to them. But he had a questionable gaming history himself; highs and lows, I would be concerned if he joined a gaming project I was looking forward to coming out to be honest, as he hasn't presided over a launch in years.
    Andemnon
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    Xiaoki said:
    IceAge said:
    Finally!

    This guy has ruined everywhere in his path. Is a very weak .. in whatever his position is/was.

    I mean...having SOE under his belt and wasn't able to make a big impact and create a successful company , says a lot about his .. leadership.

    I say he's the reason for most of the fails at Amazon since his arrival. I'm sure Amazon Games will be a better company from now on.

    Once again you have no idea what your are talking about.

    AGS has cancelled around a dozen games and Smedley was only involved with a few of them.

    But, sure, spew hate and misinformation, that's what you are here for after all.
    Hate? 

    I see you are old enough like me on this forums, to know the history of SOE and Smedley, but somehow, you are defending this guy.

    Tell me, what exactly has this guy done?
    Andemnon

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  • AndemnonAndemnon Member UncommonPosts: 179
    Tiller said:



    Xiaoki said:


    IceAge said:

    Finally!



    This guy has ruined everywhere in his path. Is a very weak .. in whatever his position is/was.



    I mean...having SOE under his belt and wasn't able to make a big impact and create a successful company , says a lot about his .. leadership.



    I say he's the reason for most of the fails at Amazon since his arrival. I'm sure Amazon Games will be a better company from now on.



    Once again you have no idea what your are talking about.

    AGS has cancelled around a dozen games and Smedley was only involved with a few of them.

    But, sure, spew hate and misinformation, that's what you are here for after all.


    His involvement in SWG should speak for itself ?



    I played SWG when it was in Beta back in 1996 - 1997.

    SWG didn't hit public beta until 2001. Raph Koster once said that development began shortly before the Release of The Phantom Menace and discussed how Lucas Films wouldn't share anything about the upcoming movie and were really difficult to work with. He stated that during most of the development process of SWG all the canon they could glean from was previous movies, EU books and the same trailers we all watched.
    I started playing SWG during the Beta 3 stage, my PC wasn't up to it really so i upgraded, significantly, it turned into my favourite game, until CU and then the abomination that it finally became, will never forget nor forgive Smedley for his involvement in destroying my favourite game, as flawed as it was, and yes, i know that Torres (if i remember the guys name correctly) had a big hand in the games demise too. 
  • Jaguaratron1Jaguaratron1 Member UncommonPosts: 299
    The games industry is terrible for putting people up as "superstar" devs because they had one hit at the dawn of the industry, Garriort, Smedly, Roberts, all of them bring more flops and disasters than hits yet have continued to fail upwards.
    Theocritus
  • Jaguaratron1Jaguaratron1 Member UncommonPosts: 299

    Uwakionna said:



    Greediest man I've ever met, next to Angel Munoz. I'm still baffled how they went with the P2W route in Planetside 1.


    I honestly am not sure what you're referring to as P2W in PS1, and I played that 'till they shut it down.



    Wasnt the access to mechsuit frames or something a paid for addition? certainly could make the P2W argument on it but it didnt really break anything.

    PS1 was a great game and pulled better numbers than the bland, stripped out Ps2, we will never see its like again unfortunately.
  • Jaguaratron1Jaguaratron1 Member UncommonPosts: 299

    Xiaoki said:


    IceAge said:

    Finally!



    This guy has ruined everywhere in his path. Is a very weak .. in whatever his position is/was.



    I mean...having SOE under his belt and wasn't able to make a big impact and create a successful company , says a lot about his .. leadership.



    I say he's the reason for most of the fails at Amazon since his arrival. I'm sure Amazon Games will be a better company from now on.



    Once again you have no idea what your are talking about.

    AGS has cancelled around a dozen games and Smedley was only involved with a few of them.

    But, sure, spew hate and misinformation, that's what you are here for after all.



    He was the GM apprantly which makes him responsible for ALL of them.
  • UwakionnaUwakionna Member RarePosts: 1,139
    edited January 2023

    Uwakionna said:



    Greediest man I've ever met, next to Angel Munoz. I'm still baffled how they went with the P2W route in Planetside 1.


    I honestly am not sure what you're referring to as P2W in PS1, and I played that 'till they shut it down.



    Wasnt the access to mechsuit frames or something a paid for addition? certainly could make the P2W argument on it but it didnt really break anything.

    PS1 was a great game and pulled better numbers than the bland, stripped out Ps2, we will never see its like again unfortunately.
    They were a part of the Aftershock expansion, which added the whole underground region and other content. You had to play to unlock them.

    Plus yeah, one person under a BFR and it was toast. The flails were more useful than the BFRs were, and anyone could pull a flail.
    Post edited by Uwakionna on
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    I always have a soft spot for him because of Everquest so I hope he lands on his feet.
    OG_Solareus
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  • BrainyBrainy Member EpicPosts: 2,206
    The games industry is terrible for putting people up as "superstar" devs because they had one hit at the dawn of the industry, Garriort, Smedly, Roberts, all of them bring more flops and disasters than hits yet have continued to fail upwards.
    Add Mark Jacobs of Daoc to that list.

    I wonder who the true inventors of these MMO's were.  Probably a couple of people that never got any credit.
    KyleranIceAge
  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 4,045
    IceAge said:
    Xiaoki said:
    IceAge said:
    Finally!

    This guy has ruined everywhere in his path. Is a very weak .. in whatever his position is/was.

    I mean...having SOE under his belt and wasn't able to make a big impact and create a successful company , says a lot about his .. leadership.

    I say he's the reason for most of the fails at Amazon since his arrival. I'm sure Amazon Games will be a better company from now on.

    Once again you have no idea what your are talking about.

    AGS has cancelled around a dozen games and Smedley was only involved with a few of them.

    But, sure, spew hate and misinformation, that's what you are here for after all.
    Hate? 

    I see you are old enough like me on this forums, to know the history of SOE and Smedley, but somehow, you are defending this guy.

    Tell me, what exactly has this guy done?

    What has he done lately?

    Nothing

    And I don't hold a hate boner for some business guy based on shit from 15 years ago.

    And I wasn't defending him, just stating facts ...which, apparently, is the worst thing around here.
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,503

    IceAge said:

    Finally!



    This guy has ruined everywhere in his path. Is a very weak .. in whatever his position is/was.



    I mean...having SOE under his belt and wasn't able to make a big impact and create a successful company , says a lot about his .. leadership.



    I say he's the reason for most of the fails at Amazon since his arrival. I'm sure Amazon Games will be a better company from now on.



    I agree with you here. I feel like Smedley has been out of touch with the gaming world since the late 90's. He is like Midas, except everything he touches turns to shit.

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

    In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.

  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,503








    Xiaoki said:




    IceAge said:


    Finally!





    This guy has ruined everywhere in his path. Is a very weak .. in whatever his position is/was.





    I mean...having SOE under his belt and wasn't able to make a big impact and create a successful company , says a lot about his .. leadership.





    I say he's the reason for most of the fails at Amazon since his arrival. I'm sure Amazon Games will be a better company from now on.





    Once again you have no idea what your are talking about.

    AGS has cancelled around a dozen games and Smedley was only involved with a few of them.

    But, sure, spew hate and misinformation, that's what you are here for after all.




    His involvement in SWG should speak for itself ?






    I played SWG when it was in Beta back in 1996 - 1997.



    No, you didn't.

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

    In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.

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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,014
    The games industry is terrible for putting people up as "superstar" devs because they had one hit at the dawn of the industry, Garriort, Smedly, Roberts, all of them bring more flops and disasters than hits yet have continued to fail upwards.

    Timing is everything in life......
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    Xiaoki said:
    IceAge said:
    Xiaoki said:
    IceAge said:
    Finally!

    This guy has ruined everywhere in his path. Is a very weak .. in whatever his position is/was.

    I mean...having SOE under his belt and wasn't able to make a big impact and create a successful company , says a lot about his .. leadership.

    I say he's the reason for most of the fails at Amazon since his arrival. I'm sure Amazon Games will be a better company from now on.

    Once again you have no idea what your are talking about.

    AGS has cancelled around a dozen games and Smedley was only involved with a few of them.

    But, sure, spew hate and misinformation, that's what you are here for after all.
    Hate? 

    I see you are old enough like me on this forums, to know the history of SOE and Smedley, but somehow, you are defending this guy.

    Tell me, what exactly has this guy done?

    What has he done lately?

    Nothing

    And I don't hold a hate boner for some business guy based on shit from 15 years ago.

    And I wasn't defending him, just stating facts ...which, apparently, is the worst thing around here.
    How do you suppose the investors who were scammed feel about Bernie Madoff these days, forgive and forget?

    It's natural to hold a grudge, especially for people you believe took something of value from you.


    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Early in his career he managed to ride the coat tails of some talented people and has not been able to replicate that. IMO games like Everquest were made dispite his involvement. Amazon Game Studios are better off with just about anyone else.
    MendelIceAgeSensai
  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,481
    Maybe Smedley got caught up in the Lost Ark Ban Wave, and got vac banned from his office....

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 4,045
    edited January 2023
    Kyleran said:
    Xiaoki said:
    IceAge said:
    Xiaoki said:
    IceAge said:
    Finally!

    This guy has ruined everywhere in his path. Is a very weak .. in whatever his position is/was.

    I mean...having SOE under his belt and wasn't able to make a big impact and create a successful company , says a lot about his .. leadership.

    I say he's the reason for most of the fails at Amazon since his arrival. I'm sure Amazon Games will be a better company from now on.

    Once again you have no idea what your are talking about.

    AGS has cancelled around a dozen games and Smedley was only involved with a few of them.

    But, sure, spew hate and misinformation, that's what you are here for after all.
    Hate? 

    I see you are old enough like me on this forums, to know the history of SOE and Smedley, but somehow, you are defending this guy.

    Tell me, what exactly has this guy done?

    What has he done lately?

    Nothing

    And I don't hold a hate boner for some business guy based on shit from 15 years ago.

    And I wasn't defending him, just stating facts ...which, apparently, is the worst thing around here.
    How do you suppose the investors who were scammed feel about Bernie Madoff these days, forgive and forget?

    It's natural to hold a grudge, especially for people you believe took something of value from you.



    And what has John Smedley, personally, taken from you in the past 15 years?

    Reminder: SWG doesn't count as Smedley didn't cancel the game, Sony and Lucasfilm did.

    Also, just going to point out that you are comparing someone stealing billions of dollars to a video game being cancelled? Is that what you are trying to do here?
    Sovrath
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    Xiaoki said:
    Kyleran said:
    Xiaoki said:
    IceAge said:
    Xiaoki said:
    IceAge said:
    Finally!

    This guy has ruined everywhere in his path. Is a very weak .. in whatever his position is/was.

    I mean...having SOE under his belt and wasn't able to make a big impact and create a successful company , says a lot about his .. leadership.

    I say he's the reason for most of the fails at Amazon since his arrival. I'm sure Amazon Games will be a better company from now on.

    Once again you have no idea what your are talking about.

    AGS has cancelled around a dozen games and Smedley was only involved with a few of them.

    But, sure, spew hate and misinformation, that's what you are here for after all.
    Hate? 

    I see you are old enough like me on this forums, to know the history of SOE and Smedley, but somehow, you are defending this guy.

    Tell me, what exactly has this guy done?

    What has he done lately?

    Nothing

    And I don't hold a hate boner for some business guy based on shit from 15 years ago.

    And I wasn't defending him, just stating facts ...which, apparently, is the worst thing around here.
    How do you suppose the investors who were scammed feel about Bernie Madoff these days, forgive and forget?

    It's natural to hold a grudge, especially for people you believe took something of value from you.



    And what has John Smedley, personally, taken from you in the past 15 years?

    Reminder: SWG doesn't count as Smedley didn't cancel the game, Sony and Lucasfilm did.

    Also, just going to point out that you are comparing someone stealing billions of dollars to a video game being cancelled? Is that what you are trying to do here?
    Cancelling the game was a mercy killing from most SWG fan's viewpoint who believe the game pretty much "died" with the release of the NGE which was most definitely under Smed's watch.

    As for comparisons, my free time devoted to personal entertainment is nearly priceless, money I can always replace, time, not at all.

    Besides, Bernie never stole my money, but Smed definitely ruined a few games I sort of enjoyed.

    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

    "This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon






  • MazenealMazeneal Member UncommonPosts: 170

    Deathkon1 said:


    Tiller said:



    Deathkon1 said:


    I feel this is normal and since I don't even know who this is its even more justified for me to be ok in thinking this is normal.






    Did you read the article? It stated who he is.


    I didn't read the article until just now, I was busy irl so I read the comments which implied he has been working on other projects or has a history at least in the gaming world.


    Edit: my dumb cat was trying to eat a plastic bag -_- mfg dumb thing I lovem but he causes me so much unneeded work.



    Uhhh....there was about as much text in the article as there was in the comments, when you first commented. Do you always make excuses, whilst throwing your "dumb cat" under the bus? ..../chuckle
  • MazenealMazeneal Member UncommonPosts: 170
    Smutley had zero to do with New World, and the titles that did launch under his watch, just as quickly went POOF! TBH, I had forgotten he was with AGS, still. He shut the doors on Vanguard, and for that, i will never forgive him.....lulz
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    Nothing of value was lost.

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  • NeblessNebless Member RarePosts: 1,877
    What would be nice is the Lord of the Rings project to restart !

    Well that probably won't happen since Amazon NEVER had the license to create a Lord of the Rings game.

    Leyou Technologies has the license.  Amazon was just going to assist and publish the game.  Then Tencent bought Leyou and in the follow on discussions between Tencent and Amazon, Amazon dropped out of the project (most likely over money).
    Sovrath

    SWG (pre-cu) - AoC (pre-f2p) - PotBS (pre-boarder) - DDO - LotRO (pre-f2p) - STO (pre-f2p) - GnH (beta tester) - SWTOR - Neverwinter

  • AdamantineAdamantine Member RarePosts: 5,094
    Xiaoki said:

    And what has John Smedley, personally, taken from you in the past 15 years?

    Why, I'm not the guy you're talking to, but: VANGUARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Then again he had agreed to run it for seven years after the original company bankrupted.

    So I've mixed feelings about Smedley.

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