Ashes of Creation Previews Tower of Carphin and Story Arc System That Adapts to the World | MMORPG.c

System · April 2023

Ashes of Creation Previews Tower of Carphin and Story Arc System That Adapts to the World | MMORPG.com

The Ashes of Creation team previewed its dynamic Story Arc system to change content based on player activity in the world, and gave the first in-depth look at the Tower of Carphin.

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Slapshot1188 · April 2023

Smeaghoul said:

Good news AOC Alpha 2 is not years away...LOL

If the money flow slows, the timelines will magically speed up.

Grymmoire · April 2023

And in breaking news, Ashes of Creation is proud to announce the final Alpha; fans everywhere anxiously await at Milliways, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

Book your Star Citizen ship seat reservation now, don't miss the rush!

Grymmoire · April 2023

I swear, if I am still alive when many of these games finalize and release, I will be playing them in holographic smell-o-vision.

Dattelis · April 2023

I guess lets hope UE6 doesn't come out before these games get released so they can use it as a delay tactic.

Asheram · April 2023

This game along with with pantheon and camelot unchained will never release.

Markn · April 2023

Asheram said:

This game along with with pantheon and camelot unchained will never release.

Right 6 years and counting now for dev.

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Iselin · April 2023

Markn said:

Asheram said:

This game along with with pantheon and camelot unchained will never release.

Right 6 years and counting now for dev.

10+ years watching KS "donors" lose it when they finally realize that the delivery estimates on the campaign page were all BS and they should have known better,

emperorhades1 · April 2023

Ok, so the environment in that dungeon looks terrible. The combat is a bunch of flashy flashy instead of blood and guts. The sound is terrible. Now on to the game will never be released anyway.

Slapshot1188 · April 2023

Markn said:

Asheram said:

This game along with with pantheon and camelot unchained will never release.

Right 6 years and counting now for dev.

Lastlaughlol · April 2023

Slapshot1188 said:

Markn said:

Asheram said:

This game along with with pantheon and camelot unchained will never release.

Right 6 years and counting now for dev.

This is hilarious. That someone actually thinks you can make an MMO in 3-4 year span.

Nilden · April 2023

Lastlaughlol said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Markn said:

Asheram said:

This game along with with pantheon and camelot unchained will never release.

Right 6 years and counting now for dev.

This is hilarious. That someone actually thinks you can make an MMO in 3-4 year span.

Actually it's been done multiple times before in that timeframe.

Kyleran · April 2023

What's tragic is 3 plus years after the original target release date they can't even project an alpha two date.....nevermind a revised final release date.

Also, these devs never really explain how they could be so far behind schedule now, like what exactly is the challenges here?

Iselin · April 2023

Kyleran said:

What's tragic is 3 plus years after the original target release date they can't even project an alpha two date.....nevermind a revised final release date.

Also, these devs never really explain how they could be so far behind schedule now, like what exactly is the challenges here?

What's there to explain? A small team of mostly amateurs promises to do in 2 or 3 years what a seasoned team of 100s of professionals needs 6+ years to do.

This story is repeated in every single KS MMO. There is no mystery. The timeline was always a bullshit promise.

Nilden · April 2023

Iselin said:

Kyleran said:

What's tragic is 3 plus years after the original target release date they can't even project an alpha two date.....nevermind a revised final release date.

Also, these devs never really explain how they could be so far behind schedule now, like what exactly is the challenges here?

What's there to explain? A small team of mostly amateurs promises to do in 2 or 3 years what a seasoned team of 100s of professionals needs 6+ years to do.

This story is repeated in every single KS MMO. There is no mystery. The timeline was always a bullshit promise.

The reason people bought into those timelines is because Everquest took 2 years to make. Dark Age of Camelot took 18 months. Ultima Online took 3 years. Even World of Warcraft was only 4-5 years. Everquest 2 took 2 years. On and on...

It goes back to what Slapshot said about the money. As long as they have it there is no incentive to speed up. They can just stay in development indefinitely. In fact I would say there's actually incentive NOT to launch some of these games and they would collect more money staying in development than releasing.

Star Citizen said it will stop selling ships when it launches.

Some of these are probably going to bomb hard when they launch and the devs could squeeze out 5-6 who knows how many more years of a paycheck staying in "pre-alpha" looking at you any game showing concept art around a decade in.

Iselin · April 2023

Nilden said:

Iselin said:

Kyleran said:

What's tragic is 3 plus years after the original target release date they can't even project an alpha two date.....nevermind a revised final release date.

Also, these devs never really explain how they could be so far behind schedule now, like what exactly is the challenges here?

What's there to explain? A small team of mostly amateurs promises to do in 2 or 3 years what a seasoned team of 100s of professionals needs 6+ years to do.

This story is repeated in every single KS MMO. There is no mystery. The timeline was always a bullshit promise.

The reason people bought into those timelines is because Everquest took 2 years to make. Dark Age of Camelot took 18 months. Ultima Online took 3 years. Even World of Warcraft was only 4-5 years. Everquest 2 took 2 years. On and on...

It goes back to what Slapshot said about the money. As long as they have it there is no incentive to speed up. They can just stay in development indefinitely. In fact I would say there's actually incentive NOT to launch some of these games and they would collect more money staying in development than releasing.

Star Citizen said it will stop selling ships when it launches.

Some of these are probably going to bomb hard when they launch and the devs could squeeze out 5-6 who knows how many more years of a paycheck staying in "pre-alpha" looking at you any game showing concept art around a decade in.

Those were simpler games with simple systems and much simpler tech. Every KS MMO with the possible exception of those like Embers Adrift that are happy to release simplistic shit, always promise complex systems with AAA-quality graphics using the latest tech.

None of them talk about producing 1999-era material.

There's just no way I would ever believe that what they promise can be done in 2 or 3 years regardless of how long it took to do EQ, DAoC, etc., 20 years ago.

I'm not saying that they are not also milking every penny possible after the initial KS, they are also doing that obviously, but I have never for a second bought into their proposed timelines and it truly mystifies me when people focus on that part to bitch about.

The whole thing started with lies that were readily apparent so I have never given them a cent.

My money goes to sure things that have actually released a playable product. Even that's not always a sure thing but it's one helluva a lot safer than buying into these fantasy developments when they couldn't even be honest about the time estimates in the first place.

Nilden · April 2023

Iselin said:

Nilden said:

Iselin said:

Kyleran said:

What's tragic is 3 plus years after the original target release date they can't even project an alpha two date.....nevermind a revised final release date.

Also, these devs never really explain how they could be so far behind schedule now, like what exactly is the challenges here?

What's there to explain? A small team of mostly amateurs promises to do in 2 or 3 years what a seasoned team of 100s of professionals needs 6+ years to do.

This story is repeated in every single KS MMO. There is no mystery. The timeline was always a bullshit promise.

The reason people bought into those timelines is because Everquest took 2 years to make. Dark Age of Camelot took 18 months. Ultima Online took 3 years. Even World of Warcraft was only 4-5 years. Everquest 2 took 2 years. On and on...

It goes back to what Slapshot said about the money. As long as they have it there is no incentive to speed up. They can just stay in development indefinitely. In fact I would say there's actually incentive NOT to launch some of these games and they would collect more money staying in development than releasing.

Star Citizen said it will stop selling ships when it launches.

Some of these are probably going to bomb hard when they launch and the devs could squeeze out 5-6 who knows how many more years of a paycheck staying in "pre-alpha" looking at you any game showing concept art around a decade in.

Those were simpler games with simple systems and much simpler tech. Every KS MMO with the possible exception of those like Embers Adrift that are happy to release simplistic shit, always promise complex systems with AAA-quality graphics using the latest tech.

None of them talk about producing 1999-era material.

There's just no way I would ever believe that what they promise can be done in 2 or 3 years regardless of how long it took to do EQ, DAoC, etc., 20 years ago.

I'm not saying that they are not also milking every penny possible after the initial KS, they are also doing that obviously, but I have never for a second bought into their proposed timelines and it truly mystifies me when people focus on that part to bitch about.

The whole thing started with lies that were readily apparent so I have never given them a cent.

My money goes to sure things that have actually released a playable product. Even that's not always a sure thing but it's one helluva a lot safer than buying into these fantasy developments when they couldn't even be honest about the time estimates in the first place.

Well I have to admit some of these got me and it was because I knew how long some of those earlier games took to make. It was also because some of these games were being headed up by the people who made these earlier games and a "why not what have I got to lose" 50 bucks or whatever approach.

I also laughed at a lot of the kickstarter crap and didn't give them any money. I watched the original Chronicles of Elyria trailer and when the combat designers came out with nerf swords and shields I knew that game was never happening.

However now I am firmly with you on team "Sure thing". No more early access, kickstarter, potential, promise the moon crap. There needs to be a game I can play and even then I will probably wait a month until after release. These studios have really burned some customer good will.

I don't think any crowd funded MMORPG will get off the ground the way those initial kickstarter ones did.

On top of that it's only going to look worse for the genre when these crowdfunded MMORPGs belly flop worse than Eric Cartman.

Let's face it there are some coming down the pipe that are going to go the way of Crowfall, hard.

Ashes of Creation looks like it's shaping up a lot better than some of them but I still have yet to put any money down and won't until it launches. Goes with that whole trust thing all these devs have broken with their lies about timeframes and funding needed.

Kyleran · April 2023

Iselin said:

Kyleran said:

What's tragic is 3 plus years after the original target release date they can't even project an alpha two date.....nevermind a revised final release date.

Also, these devs never really explain how they could be so far behind schedule now, like what exactly is the challenges here?

What's there to explain? A small team of mostly amateurs promises to do in 2 or 3 years what a seasoned team of 100s of professionals needs 6+ years to do.

This story is repeated in every single KS MMO. There is no mystery. The timeline was always a bullshit promise.

It's not so much an explanation as I want them to be truly transparent about how everything went down.

I want them to admit they were wrong (or lying) when we all told them they couldn't do it.

Yeah, I won't be holding my breath.

Slapshot1188 · April 2023

Iselin said:

I'm not saying that they are not also milking every penny possible after the initial KS, they are also doing that obviously, but I have never for a second bought into their proposed timelines and it truly mystifies me when people focus on that part to bitch about.

The whole thing started with lies that were readily apparent so I have never given them a cent.

My money goes to sure things that have actually released a playable product. Even that's not always a sure thing but it's one helluva a lot safer than buying into these fantasy developments when they couldn't even be honest about the time estimates in the first place.

Thats why I bring it up. I don't call it "bitching". I just like to point out that this is what they said. IMHO when its August 2018 and you confirm you are on target for launch in 2019, and its now 2023 and we dont even have a date for Alpha 2 it tell me that the guy either blatantly lied or is utterly incompetent. Just like with Walsh and CoE. Not sure which is worse, lying or ineptitude of such magnitude.

I also like the way Stephen spins it as a promise... to paraphrase "See we are keeping our word and not even giving you dates anymore because this way we can't miss the dates!"

I mean, there is a real disconnect from reality when the guy confirms game should launch 16 month from his statement, and we are now around 55 months and not even an Alpha 2.

Liar or incompetent? Take your pick.

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