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UK Further Restricts Microsoft and Activision Blizzard From Merging, While the EU May Approve Merger

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The UK regulatory body that blocked the merger between the Activision Blizzard and Microsoft has added additional restrictions on both companies while the likelyappeal process plays out.

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  • RaagnarzRaagnarz Member RarePosts: 647
    Honestly if the whole world other than the England approves it fuck England. I'm in no way shape or form trying to defend blizz/act or Microsoft. But If they want to do it, I don't really care. Frankly I'm not sure Blizz could get any worse than they are currently, and I'd love Kotick to not be the one in total control of Blizz. That being said, one small country shouldn't be able to hold up two global corps. If I were the company's involved I'd simply pull my products and support for my products within that single country. England would feel it WAY worse than Blzz/Act and Microsoft would. Wanna know how many computers private and government sector in England run on windows? Thing they're prepared to literally replace all operating systems in England? England is free to do what it wants, but on the world scale it's not as important as it thinks it is, especially if the remainder of the EU OK's it. Losing one country shouldn't scare off Microsoft or Blizz/Act. Sorry one time I'm backing big business on this one.
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  • UwakionnaUwakionna Member RarePosts: 1,139
    edited May 2023
    Hey now, we should all value the opinion of Brexiters. It serves for great comedy.
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    edited May 2023
    Raagnarz said:
    Honestly if the whole world other than the England approves it fuck England. I'm in no way shape or form trying to defend blizz/act or Microsoft. But If they want to do it, I don't really care. Frankly I'm not sure Blizz could get any worse than they are currently, and I'd love Kotick to not be the one in total control of Blizz. That being said, one small country shouldn't be able to hold up two global corps. If I were the company's involved I'd simply pull my products and support for my products within that single country. England would feel it WAY worse than Blzz/Act and Microsoft would. Wanna know how many computers private and government sector in England run on windows? Thing they're prepared to literally replace all operating systems in England? England is free to do what it wants, but on the world scale it's not as important as it thinks it is, especially if the remainder of the EU OK's it. Losing one country shouldn't scare off Microsoft or Blizz/Act. Sorry one time I'm backing big business on this one.
    Whether losing one country scares Microsoft and Activision/Blizzard or not, Microsoft won't do it. They are a major provider to governments, and if they refuse to follow laws of any Western country, that would trigger all of the governments taking a look at how much they depend on Microsoft's services, and take actions to reduce that dependency.

    If Microsoft were just entertainment company they could decide to pull out of one country. But they're too major provider to governments that they could do it.
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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Experts have said that if everywhere but the CMA approve the ABK deal. MS will most likely close the deal with ABK and just negotiate with the UK after and just withheld ABK games from the UK. Or work it out in the courts.
    Raagnarz
  • ValdemarJValdemarJ Member RarePosts: 1,419
    The UK doubling down on a capricious ruling by a clueless regulatory body with no oversight is truly hilarious.

    If the UK thinks they're going to find an ally in the FTC, they have really misplayed their hand. The FTC case is pretty much dead in the water. It hinges on anti-trust and proving that is hard under favorable conditions. Their suit is also capricious and politically motivated. The courts will chew the FTC up and spit them out.

    My question is, when is Sony coming under anti-trust crosshairs in the EU?
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  • urriel1970urriel1970 Member UncommonPosts: 126
    for me..to hell with the u.k..who the hell do they think they are..they have no authority...
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    Nanfoodle said:
    Experts have said that if everywhere but the CMA approve the ABK deal. MS will most likely close the deal with ABK and just negotiate with the UK after and just withheld ABK games from the UK. Or work it out in the courts.
    If Microsoft decided to break UK laws it could not be solved by withholding ABK products or negotiating. It would result in Microsoft getting sued and sentenced as per UK laws.

    In US the idea that you negotiate your sentence is common, but in Europe it's usually not possible.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    Vrika said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    Experts have said that if everywhere but the CMA approve the ABK deal. MS will most likely close the deal with ABK and just negotiate with the UK after and just withheld ABK games from the UK. Or work it out in the courts.
    If Microsoft decided to break UK laws it could not be solved by withholding ABK products or negotiating. It would result in Microsoft getting sued and sentenced as per UK laws.

    In US the idea that you negotiate your sentence is common, but in Europe it's usually not possible.
    Err, sue Microsoft where exactly? In the UK?  How would they enforce the judgement?

    US government might not honor it, and very easy for MS to move all of their assets out of the UK so there is nothing left to seize.

    Sure, MS would be giving up the right to sell in the UK, but that's more of a financial decision than anything else.

    Likely the impact of not being able to purchase MS products would be more detrimental to the citizens and businesses in the UK rather than to MS.

    When Brexit occured UK lost a lot of leverage, especially if EU disagrees and approves the deal.




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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    Kyleran said:
    Vrika said:
    Nanfoodle said:
    Experts have said that if everywhere but the CMA approve the ABK deal. MS will most likely close the deal with ABK and just negotiate with the UK after and just withheld ABK games from the UK. Or work it out in the courts.
    If Microsoft decided to break UK laws it could not be solved by withholding ABK products or negotiating. It would result in Microsoft getting sued and sentenced as per UK laws.

    In US the idea that you negotiate your sentence is common, but in Europe it's usually not possible.
    Err, sue Microsoft where exactly? In the UK?  How would they enforce the judgement?

    US government might not honor it, and very easy for MS to move all of their assets out of the UK so there is nothing left to seize.

    Sure, MS would be giving up the right to sell in the UK, but that's more of a financial decision than anything else.

    Likely the impact of not being able to purchase MS products would be more detrimental to the citizens and businesses in the UK rather than to MS.

    When Brexit occured U K lost a lot of leverage, especially if EU disagrees and approves the deal.
    Sue in UK.

    US government would likely honor any UK judgement, because it would go to US courts and there's plenty of precedents for honoring UK judgements.

    Microsoft and Activision Blizzard could likely avoid problems with UK laws if they withdrew completely from UK before making the sale. But avoiding the judgement after they've broken the law would be really hard, it would basically require Microsoft moving everything to North Korea or some other country that has no intention of honoring UK judgements.
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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    edited May 2023

    Vrika said:


    Nanfoodle said:

    Experts have said that if everywhere but the CMA approve the ABK deal. MS will most likely close the deal with ABK and just negotiate with the UK after and just withheld ABK games from the UK. Or work it out in the courts.



    If Microsoft decided to break UK laws it could not be solved by withholding ABK products or negotiating. It would result in Microsoft getting sued and sentenced as per UK laws.

    In US the idea that you negotiate your sentence is common, but in Europe it's usually not possible.



    No, it would just mean MS would remove these products from the UK, you cant get sued for that. You can remove any products you own from any place you dont want to sell it. Its no different than Starbucks and McDonalds leaving Russia.
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    Nanfoodle said:

    Vrika said:


    Nanfoodle said:

    Experts have said that if everywhere but the CMA approve the ABK deal. MS will most likely close the deal with ABK and just negotiate with the UK after and just withheld ABK games from the UK. Or work it out in the courts.



    If Microsoft decided to break UK laws it could not be solved by withholding ABK products or negotiating. It would result in Microsoft getting sued and sentenced as per UK laws.

    In US the idea that you negotiate your sentence is common, but in Europe it's usually not possible.



    No, it would just mean MS would remove these products from the UK, you cant get sued for that. You can remove any products you own from any place you dont want to sell it. Its no different that Starbucks and McDonalds leaving Russia.
    No. Microsoft could ignore UK laws if and only if they left first, and did the purchase afterwards. You're required to follow local laws until you have actually left.

    Those leaving Russia don't need to care about it that much since at the moment other countries won't recognize or enforce a lot of judgements made by Russian's courts. Foreign judgements are not normally enforced automatically, and instead the one who was judged gets a chance to argue why that judgement should not be enforced. At the moment any US company leaving Russia could likely argue lack of fair and impartial trial.

    Whereas US company leaving UK would have really hard time trying to convince US judges that there's something wrong enough with UK justice system that would be good enough reason for why UK's judgement for something they did while they still operated in UK and under UK's jurisdiction would be unacceptable. If Microsoft wants to complete the trade without fear of UK's judgement, they need to remove UK's jurisdiction before they do the trade.
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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Vrika said:
    Nanfoodle said:

    Vrika said:


    Nanfoodle said:

    Experts have said that if everywhere but the CMA approve the ABK deal. MS will most likely close the deal with ABK and just negotiate with the UK after and just withheld ABK games from the UK. Or work it out in the courts.



    If Microsoft decided to break UK laws it could not be solved by withholding ABK products or negotiating. It would result in Microsoft getting sued and sentenced as per UK laws.

    In US the idea that you negotiate your sentence is common, but in Europe it's usually not possible.



    No, it would just mean MS would remove these products from the UK, you cant get sued for that. You can remove any products you own from any place you dont want to sell it. Its no different that Starbucks and McDonalds leaving Russia.
    No. Microsoft could ignore UK laws if and only if they left first, and did the purchase afterwards. You're required to follow local laws until you have actually left.

    Those leaving Russia don't need to care about it that much since at the moment other countries won't recognize or enforce a lot of judgements made by Russian's courts. Foreign judgements are not normally enforced automatically, and instead the one who was judged gets a chance to argue why that judgement should not be enforced. At the moment any US company leaving Russia could likely argue lack of fair and impartial trial.

    Whereas US company leaving UK would have really hard time trying to convince US judges that there's something wrong enough with UK justice system that would be good enough reason for why UK's judgement for something they did while they still operated in UK and under UK's jurisdiction would be unacceptable. If Microsoft wants to complete the trade without fear of UK's judgement, they need to remove UK's jurisdiction before they do the trade.
    These are not my words, I have been reading what the experts have been saying on this. And the experts have said MS could close the deal at any time and just not sell ABK products in any country they have not been approved the sale and they can do this with no backlash from any regulatory body. As long as MS does not sell these products in said countries and these countries could do nothing about that as well.  
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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Considering the pushback it has received, it would seem the regulatory bodies around the world prefer gaming publishers secure exclusivity deals and investments in studios over acquisitions of them.
    This could be a way for Microsoft to use it's considerable cash to do just that instead of travelling further down the road of acquire.
     
    Forced into a path like Sony and Tencent the regulatory bodies seem to favor could prove to backfire on those looking to stop Microsoft from gaining further foothold in the competitive gaming landscape.
    They could go that route and could grow their publishing empire footprint to be even bigger than this deal would have proven to be. 
    I personally think MS would have done better buying smaller more talented studios over pausing that for the ABK deal and also focus on the studios they do own. Maybe Redfall would have been a good game then. 
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  • AndemnonAndemnon Member UncommonPosts: 179
    Sure, break UK law and face the consequences, the knock on effect worldwide would not be small either, if you think the UK has no influence overseas, think again and i am not just talking about the Commonwealth. If you just consider the financial aspect of losing UK customers, that is such a significant figure to MS that i doubt they would take that laying down, there is a lot of money at stake and actibliz is not big enough or worth enough to put that at risk, so unless MS pays up, things will likely not go well.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060
    Imagine wanting one of the largest tech conglomerates on earth to buy one of the biggest game publishers on earth.
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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    "Andemnon" "Sure, break UK law and face the consequences, the knock on effect worldwide would not be small either, if you think the UK has no influence overseas, think again and i am not just talking about the Commonwealth. If you just consider the financial aspect of losing UK customers, that is such a significant figure to MS that i doubt they would take that laying down, there is a lot of money at stake and actibliz is not big enough or worth enough to put that at risk, so unless MS pays up, things will likely not go well."

    And if the rest of the world let's MS buy ABK, how long would it take for the UK citizens to lose their minds when they are cut off? How much of a bargaining chip would that be for MS when they pursue this in the courts?
  • NeoyoshiNeoyoshi Member RarePosts: 1,489
    This is just stupid; all this feels way past posturing at this point.


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  • RaxeonRaxeon Member UncommonPosts: 2,288
    why is microsoft hell bent on merging why dont they just pay for exclusives like sony does
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    Raxeon said:
    why is microsoft hell bent on merging why dont they just pay for exclusives like sony does
    I think I read once if the deal doesn't go through MS has to pay about one billion dollars fee which is not exactly a small piece of change, even for them.




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  • OG_SolareusOG_Solareus Member RarePosts: 1,041
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    Sources say the strippers were to old. U.K. prefers Epstein island for these kind of deals... Miscroft is lost in dealing internationally without Epstien.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,423
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    Guys you do realise that there is no point to having a regulator unless they find something to regulate? That is at the heart of deciding to look into anything which draws media attention. If a regulator is not looking at something which the media thinks is important the question arises in other areas of government, why not? This applies to health and safety you name it, so it is hardly surprising that so many regulatory bodies think this must be looked at.

    One of the posters asked about Sony, is Sony in the news not just the gaming news but MSM news about its practices? No, but if it was you can bet your console that these regularity bodies would find a sudden urgent need to investigate Sony if it was. There was a lawsuit last year but it hardly made a splash in MSM so the CMA are ignoring it. This is a real problem in my eyes, government departments focusing time and resources on the media's latest "big" story, rather than taking a look at the industry as a whole (part of the CMA's and doubtless any other such bodies remit) and from that beginning investigations.

    As to the fact the UK is still unsure, I would not read too much into that, there always has to be one of these bodies that swings round last. After all the CMA followed the crowd to start their investigation and may well now follow the crowd to agree it with some "concessions" and what not.
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