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Blockchain MMOs and The Metaverse Had Setbacks but Are Far from Being Abandoned (For Now) | MMONFT |

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The metaverse has not been particularly well received, nor has it matured in a positive way that would influence the industry as investors initially expected. Should it be abandoned?

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  • BattlestormBattlestorm Member UncommonPosts: 136
    I never really minded the idea of using blockchain to create unique objects in online games, conceptually; unfortunately, it’s done with he same level of real-world greed at the forefront of development (as is commonplace). It might be different if the monetization would only be valid in-game and couldn’t be purchased/manipulated/valued through some form of real-money-to-crypto-exchange. Modern renditions of crypto-game-currency are just pay-to-flex cash shops with more steps.

    Metaverse is another fun concept. I’d love to go outside and have an AR device scan my environment and re-skin it to match a game. That’s probably one of the few ways to get players outside and maybe even help us all get a little more exercise, too. However, what it truly has become is more of a shell to provide more disingenuous immersion into a world intent on driving deeper profits by making you and your surroundings more involved, personally. Why create unique content when you can drive a more deeply personal experiences through AR/VR and ultimately draw in revenue without the labor of engaging gameplay mechanics and storylines?

    I guess that’s just my bias, negative take on these things now-a-days. These companies would probably use the camera and lidar to help advertisers assess your entire life in 3 dimensions. That way home improvement stores can target your favorite apps with advertisements for supplies when your yard looks a little out-of-sorts. How helpful…
    Kyleran
  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,458
    I'm still not understanding why people are excited about a database technology.
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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,837
    edited July 2023



    Wargfoot said:

    I'm still not understanding why people are excited about a database technology.


    From what I understand, the tech itself can be beneficial in ways such as being dupe/hack/exploit proof. But I don't care, because it will never be used without some bullshit money scam close behind it.



    Yes the two main reasons Blockchain is interesting is that it's highly secure and distributed meaning it's not tied to one sever, but many servers which form the "chain". Each transaction is a "block" in the "chain" ergo the name. That's why crypto currency uses it because if I submit a transaction to a node in the chain in say France, once that block is committed to the chain that money is immediately available to the other nodes in the chain so my business partner in the United States has immediate access to the funds and can withdraw the money by committing another block.

    Now why that is interesting for MMOs becomes obvious in games like EVE which have a huge global economy where exploits and dupes would quickly wreck havoc on the whole game. For a game like Wow I think it's less interesting because the best stuff is all bind on pickup anyway and can't be traded. Basically you have to design the game around needing a big player driven economy. Without that it's just a solution in search of a problem.

    Whether any of that is actually fun and makes you want to play the game remains to be seen.
    strawhat0981
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Blockchain games are pushing an ultra-capitalist political agenda.

    :)
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    The metaverse hasn't been well received by gamers, but gamers aren't the target audience.  The target audience is cryptocurrency speculators.  If they pour a ton of money into your game and you can siphon off and keep some small fraction of it, you win, even if your game is terrible and no one plays it.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    Iselin said:
    Blockchain games are pushing an ultra-capitalist political agenda.

    :)
    You aren't wrong. :)

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    edited July 2023
    Iselin said:
    Blockchain games are pushing an ultra-capitalist political agenda.

    :)
    Making a genuinely great game is hard to do.  If you're heavily focused on something else, you're probably not going to accidentally make a great game along the way.  And yes, most blockchain games have a pretty severe case of this problem.  The problem with games pushing some agenda isn't primarily one of what that agenda is.
  • DigDuggyDigDuggy Member RarePosts: 694
    Iselin said:
    Blockchain games are pushing an ultra-capitalist political agenda.

    :)
    You can't really push what is purely a voluntary entertainment.  They are capitilizing on the tech, but not pushing.   Some game companies are very big, but the ones that are all in with Blockchain aren't them..I don't think.  They may dabble, but like any big organization, they are more risk adverse.

    There is a big difference between finding opportunity and pushing a capitalist ideology.  Most people don't think in terms of pushing this type of thing.  For the most part, our country is in a state of pushing various social ideologies.   These companies are trying to make money.
    Kyleran
  • eoloeeoloe Member RarePosts: 864

    Qbertq said:


    Iselin said:

    Blockchain games are pushing an ultra-capitalist political agenda.

    :)


     These companies are trying to make money.



    By polluting the gaming space with bad games that vomit shitty monetization.
    Battlestorm
  • TalraekkTalraekk Member UncommonPosts: 297
    I feel the blockchain part needs to be seperate from the game part.  Most of my (and seemingly others) issues are gaming needs (good games/development) are being curtailed for these blockchain or crypto currency approaches, ergo Focusing more on either Money(greed) or a long term money(greed).  I can definitely get behind centralized currency.  Currency that's useful everywhere.  Ingame (anygame).  The things you see in movies (credits, tap a button, 100 credits transferred).
    But so far these currencies that crop up, that have no perceived value beyonf the game they are in (to me) make every game with this type of currency highly suspect.
    Even more so considering the quality of the games themselves.....
    Kyleran
  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,837
    I just wish people could quit conflating Blockchain with currency. There's a lot of things you could use Blockchain for other than currency however we just seem to be glued to the idea that's all it's good for.

    For example you could use it to store your character data. Then your character could transfer between servers or even different games as long as they were all compatible with and authorized by the chain. I think this would be necessary to have that Ready Player One type meta verse experience where the same character can pop in and out of various experiences and retain progress and items from each. 

    Do we work on that? No, instead it must always be some scammy cryptocurrency if we're doing Blockchain.
    Battlestorm
  • TalraekkTalraekk Member UncommonPosts: 297
    I Think it's a fundamental issue,  I personally Did not really know there was a difference between 'blockchain' and currency.  Because I consider blockchain basically 'cryptocurrency'.  If that isn't correct, I'd say the currency/word needs serious global ....training/acceptance.
  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,837
    edited July 2023
    Blockchain is just a secure distributed database technology. It's just data. It can be anything. It's just that to date, all it's been used for is ledgers of currency.

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/blockchain.asp

    What Is a Blockchain?

    A blockchain is a distributed database or ledger shared among a computer network's nodes. They are best known for their crucial role in cryptocurrency systems for maintaining a secure and decentralized record of transactions, but they are not limited to cryptocurrency uses. Blockchains can be used to make data in any industry immutable—the term used to describe the inability to be altered.

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    We know what blockchain is. We also know that 100% of the time that it's used in gaming, it is used to sell NFTs.
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,014
    edited July 2023
    BLockchain/crypto/NFTs are the catfishing equivalent of gaming......A pure scam plain and simple and people use these just like romance scammers do their thing....It is nothing but  a way to rob RL money from people.
  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,458
    BLockchain/crypto/NFTs are the catfishing equivalent of gaming......A pure scam plain and simple and people use these just like romance scammers do their thing....It is nothing but  a way to rob RL money from people.
    Ha, you're just an old school gamer unwilling to embrace the future where we all make a living by gaming.  Sure, go back to WoW, you luddite, and enjoy a world where you don't actually own the sword you found.  Traditional banks, stocks, bonds and the like are all going to fail and you'll be broke but I'll still be rich because I'll have real bitcoins to trade for foodstuffs. (1)



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    1: I'm filling in for BCBully.
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  • BattlestormBattlestorm Member UncommonPosts: 136
    Blockchain was developed solely for storing and securing data in the same way that MMO’s are now developed solely to enjoy a fantasy world together for a reasonable cost…
  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,458
    Blockchain was developed solely for storing and securing data in the same way that MMO’s are now developed solely to enjoy a fantasy world together for a reasonable cost…
    Alot of people seem to think that how the data is stored will totally make a game excellent.

    For my part I only play games that use SQL Server to store data because games stored on Oracle are teh suq.
    Battlestorm
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    Wargfoot said:
    Blockchain was developed solely for storing and securing data in the same way that MMO’s are now developed solely to enjoy a fantasy world together for a reasonable cost…
    Alot of people seem to think that how the data is stored will totally make a game excellent.

    For my part I only play games that use SQL Server to store data because games stored on Oracle are teh suq.
    I only play games hosted on CRAY's. The thrill of mailing in my attack punch card and then waiting anxiously for a returned results punch card to see if the hit lands is undeniable.
    I try to avoid games where data storage is based around binary choice between one or zero. I feel that kind of binary approach shouldn't have a place in our modern society.
     
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    LOL @ the shills in this thread trying to say that blockchain is "Secure". Blockchain is NOT secure as has been proven by the dozens to hundreds of successful hacks on blockchain.
    Are those hacks attacks on blockchain itself, or only on some application that happened to use blockchain but was vulnerable elsewhere?  There haven't even been any publicly announced hash collisions for SHA-256, let alone a preimage attack.
  • fineflufffinefluff Member RarePosts: 561
    Speaking to Bloomberg, Sega's co-chief operating officer Shuji Utsumi reveals that the company is abandoning plans to create its own blockchain games for the foreseeable future. "The action in play-to-earn games is boring," Utsumi tells Bloomberg. "What's the point if games are no fun?"

    NildenKyleran
  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    A very minimal amount of research will tell you that this NFT/crypto/blockchain fad is circling the drain like the turd that it is.

    Justin Bieber's $1.3 Million Bored Ape NFT Now Worth Only $59,000


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