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Ember Sword Announces New Land Sale Beginning July 10th | MMORPG.com

SystemSystem Member UncommonPosts: 12,599
edited July 2023 in News & Features Discussion

imageEmber Sword Announces New Land Sale Beginning July 10th | MMORPG.com

Starting on Monday, Ember Sword will begin a new land sale. Taking place in two waves, this sale follows a successful $200 million first round back in 2021.

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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,660
    Burn this to the ground
    OyjordWargfootTokkenKyleranLePetitSoldatViper482Sarlagastovski1aleos

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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,020
    People didnt actually pay a total of  $200 million RL dollars for land in this piece of junk game did they? That would be absolutely insane
  • Blowfeld81Blowfeld81 Member UncommonPosts: 77
    People still "invest" in this pyramid scheme?
  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    Theocritus said:
    People didnt actually pay a total of  $200 million RL dollars for land in this piece of junk game did they? That would be absolutely insane
    I'd view those numbers with the same skepticism I view SC's numbers; although, I don't think SC is a pump and dump scheme.
    Kyleran
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Just in case not all the gullible readers on this site invested their savings in this scam the first time around, let's give it more press so we can catch any that were missed.
    WargfootKyleranLePetitSoldat
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  • doug200463doug200463 Member UncommonPosts: 46
    Bahahahahahahahaha.. no thanks.. #CashGrab
    enesisxlr8
  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    Iselin said:
    Just in case not all the gullible readers on this site invested their savings in this scam the first time around, let's give it more press so we can catch any that were missed.
    I don't think MMORPG should be posting articles about this sort of 'game'.
    Maybe NFT scams shouldn't fall under the MMORPG banner?
    TokkenAlomarSarla
  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,195
    Just curious, what about this makes it a "scam"? 
    Iselin



  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    edited July 2023

    maskedweasel said:

    Just curious, what about this makes it a "scam"? 



    Nothing about 200 million in land sales... for an alpha... raise any flags for you?
    enesisxlr8
  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,195
    Wargfoot said:

    maskedweasel said:

    Just curious, what about this makes it a "scam"? 



    Nothing about 200 million in land sales... for an alpha... raise any flags for you?
    Not anymore than spending 200 million on some ships to a game that's been in development for more than 10 years, or selling alpha access in any number of crowdfunded games. 

    By this logic we would all agree that every crowdfunded game is a scam. 



  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    edited July 2023
    Wargfoot said:


    Just curious, what about this makes it a "scam"? 



    Nothing about 200 million in land sales... for an alpha... raise any flags for you?
    Not anymore than spending 200 million on some ships to a game that's been in development for more than 10 years, or selling alpha access in any number of crowdfunded games. 

    By this logic we would all agree that every crowdfunded game is a scam. 
    No, most crowd funded games I've seen throw a particular design onto the table and then you support the development of that game.  So the vision for a particular style of play is the main selling point.

    The main selling point of Ember Sword seems to be real estate investments - and pushing the sale of virtual land.

    Also, they plan to sell 150,000 plots - which just supporting the housing would seem to dwarf any MMORPG I've played (land size) - and that is just for housing alone - by the time you add in the wilds/dungeons/open fields you've got a really large map.

    This sounds like The Red Village to me - everything except the exchange of credit card numbers is half arse.
  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    For those of you who are still on the fence, here is a heart pounding gameplay video: Ember Sword Alpha Test Preview | First Look at Core Features & Combat System!! - YouTube

    Lulz..
    Sarla
  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    edited July 2023

    I think we need to just let this sort of thing burn out.
    Like 3 card monte - you just have to have enough exposure so that it stops.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,660
    Wargfoot said:
    Wargfoot said:


    Just curious, what about this makes it a "scam"? 



    Nothing about 200 million in land sales... for an alpha... raise any flags for you?
    Not anymore than spending 200 million on some ships to a game that's been in development for more than 10 years, or selling alpha access in any number of crowdfunded games. 

    By this logic we would all agree that every crowdfunded game is a scam. 
    No, most crowd funded games I've seen throw a particular design onto the table and then you support the development of that game.  So the vision for a particular style of play is the main selling point.

    The main selling point of Ember Sword seems to be real estate investments - and pushing the sale of virtual land.

    Also, they plan to sell 150,000 plots - which just supporting the housing would seem to dwarf any MMORPG I've played (land size) - and that is just for housing alone - by the time you add in the wilds/dungeons/open fields you've got a really large map.

    This sounds like The Red Village to me - everything except the exchange of credit card numbers is half arse.
    Sounds an awful lot like CoE but with blockchain (which Caspien did mention he was interested in a few years ago).  

    Gotta create that landrush and secure your land before the peasants!  Need to make sure you get all the space around you so no unwanted folks claim it!

    But I guess in this case there seems to be some actual game.

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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,195
    Wargfoot said:
    Wargfoot said:


    Just curious, what about this makes it a "scam"? 



    Nothing about 200 million in land sales... for an alpha... raise any flags for you?
    Not anymore than spending 200 million on some ships to a game that's been in development for more than 10 years, or selling alpha access in any number of crowdfunded games. 

    By this logic we would all agree that every crowdfunded game is a scam. 
    No, most crowd funded games I've seen throw a particular design onto the table and then you support the development of that game.  So the vision for a particular style of play is the main selling point.

    The main selling point of Ember Sword seems to be real estate investments - and pushing the sale of virtual land.

    Also, they plan to sell 150,000 plots - which just supporting the housing would seem to dwarf any MMORPG I've played (land size) - and that is just for housing alone - by the time you add in the wilds/dungeons/open fields you've got a really large map.

    This sounds like The Red Village to me - everything except the exchange of credit card numbers is half arse.
    But that's just the thing, in other games that crowdfund what are you getting? You're saying that instead of waiting on some overblown few thousand dollar starships or thousands of dollars so you can get some visual cosmetics and alpha (1, 2, 3, - 10) access makes more sense than getting a plot of land to build on, and one is a scam and the others aren't, it just feels... mm.. hypocritical. 

    Since the game is free to play and they've already had 2 public tests, I don't think this could be considered a scam at this point. Just like how we can't really consider star citizen a scam at this point, even if it will likely never reach a full release. 

    You don't have to like the game, but it's not a scam just because what they sell is something people here aren't interested in buying. 



  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Wargfoot said:
    Wargfoot said:


    Just curious, what about this makes it a "scam"? 



    Nothing about 200 million in land sales... for an alpha... raise any flags for you?
    Not anymore than spending 200 million on some ships to a game that's been in development for more than 10 years, or selling alpha access in any number of crowdfunded games. 

    By this logic we would all agree that every crowdfunded game is a scam. 
    No, most crowd funded games I've seen throw a particular design onto the table and then you support the development of that game.  So the vision for a particular style of play is the main selling point.

    The main selling point of Ember Sword seems to be real estate investments - and pushing the sale of virtual land.

    Also, they plan to sell 150,000 plots - which just supporting the housing would seem to dwarf any MMORPG I've played (land size) - and that is just for housing alone - by the time you add in the wilds/dungeons/open fields you've got a really large map.

    This sounds like The Red Village to me - everything except the exchange of credit card numbers is half arse.
    Not only that but this thing barely exists as a game with single-A style graphics like you would find in a middling $9.99 Steam game developed by one person in their spare time. When it releases, if it ever does, the NFT land prices are bound to take a huge hit once people realize what a pile of shit the "game" is.

    It's nothing but a digital NFT land sale and resale pyramid scheme, praised like crazy by all the early investors for obvious reasons and only currently valuable because it's all conceptual.

    If it doesn't scream scam to someone there is just no hope for them. People are entitled to waste their money in any way they want.
    KyleranSarla
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  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    maskedweasel said:
    But that's just the thing, in other games that crowdfund what are you getting? You're saying that instead of waiting on some overblown few thousand dollar starships or thousands of dollars so you can get some visual cosmetics and alpha (1, 2, 3, - 10) access makes more sense than getting a plot of land to build on, and one is a scam and the others aren't, it just feels... mm.. hypocritical. 

    Since the game is free to play and they've already had 2 public tests, I don't think this could be considered a scam at this point. Just like how we can't really consider star citizen a scam at this point, even if it will likely never reach a full release. 

    You don't have to like the game, but it's not a scam just because what they sell is something people here aren't interested in buying. 
    I think that was a fair response.

    I throw around the word 'scam' because this title is somewhat different than the typical crowdfunded game.

    Here is what I think is different:

    Motivation:
    I spent about $250 on Fractured Online because I was interested in what the developer was creating from a gameplay perspective.   Do you suppose the people spending $160,000.00 to buy a city in Ember Swords are doing it because they watched the gameplay video I posted and thought it worth the cash or are they investing.

    Focus:
    The focus (the entire main page) isn't exciting new game concepts, but rather, the opportunity to buy land - with incentives to buy early and buy often.

    The entire thing just gives off the money grubbing vibes.
    maskedweaselKyleran
  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    Serious Question:

    If you can raise 500 million and still only have an alpha product why in heaven's name would you even bother to continue development?

    Why not just retire?

    I could invest a million in office space, a few iStock photos of people working, and throw up a beautiful website. Blow some of that on marketing, "borrow" some assets, get a streamer or two to hype the vaporware and then sell 200 million in land - all still in alpha - why not do that and leave the country?

    The whole monetary motivation for putting out a good product is sabotaged by these guys getting paid up front.

    We're getting so many bad products (that never release) because the gatekeepers have been removed. A person doesn't have to run an idea past an established studio, or undergo any scrutiny by consultants or banks. They just go strait to the consumer with no safety checks in place.
    MMOgamerdad666olepiKimo
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,507
    Theocritus said:
    People didnt actually pay a total of  $200 million RL dollars for land in this piece of junk game did they? That would be absolutely insane
    No, they didn't.  Ember Sword set a fixed price tag of various plots of land such that the total sale value of all of the land that they sold was significantly under $1 million.  They opened it up to pledges where anyone who wanted to could pledge to buy various sizes of plots of land at the fixed prices, and they would choose from among those who pledged as to whom they would actually sell the land.

    This led some crypto speculators to make a zillion pledges in hopes of landing one of the largest plots of land, which I think cost $80k.  If you make 100 accounts that each pledge $80k in hopes that some account will be chosen to actually buy one plot, then you haven't actually paid $8 million.  But they would count it as $8 million in pledges.  People doing roughly that is how it got to over $200 million in pledges.  But the amount of money that actually got spent to buy the land was below $1 million.

    They cite the large number of pledges to try to make the game appear far more profitable and lucrative than it actually is.  That they're willing to be so deceptive really tells you most of what you need to know about the game.
    Slapshot1188KyleranWargfootVrikaTheocritus
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,507
    So in 2021, they sold some land for a future game.  It's now 2023, and they still don't have a game that you can play, but they want to sell more land for that same game.  How many times do you think that they can do this without actually launching a game before people wise up and stop buying their land?
    olepi
  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,064

    Quizzical said:

    So in 2021, they sold some land for a future game.  It's now 2023, and they still don't have a game that you can play, but they want to sell more land for that same game.  How many times do you think that they can do this without actually launching a game before people wise up and stop buying their land?



    I guess we'll see. Does anybody really think this is the last land rush they will sponsor?

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  • SarlaSarla Member RarePosts: 412
    Ember Sword Announces New Land Scam Beginning July 10th


    Fixt
  • StevenWeberStevenWeber MMORPG.COM Staff UncommonPosts: 116
    Greetings MMORPGers,

    Normally I don't chime in on these raucous debates, but I do have an opportunity to interview the Bright Star Studios team again. As usual, I have plenty of my own questions to ask, but I wanted to see if our community had any questions for them as well. Since blockchain and games of their ilk are relatively new to the genre, I think it's absolutely fair for our fervent (and always respectful, -hint-hint-) community to get their own questions answered about these projects. 

    I'll swing back by this thread early next week just in case some questions arise. Feel free to message me directly as well, if you're not comfortable with posting questions in this thread. I may not be able to get them all answered, but I'll do my best. 

    Happy posting!
    Slapshot1188WargfootSarla
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Ask them what they think of someone attempting to re-sell a plot of land in their game for $850,000. I have no idea what the outcome was but it was listed for that much (as seen in the first minute of the video below.)

    Are they OK with that or not?


    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,507
    Iselin said:
    Ask them what they think of someone attempting to re-sell a plot of land in their game for $850,000. I have no idea what the outcome was but it was listed for that much (as seen in the first minute of the video below.)

    Are they OK with that or not?
    That is a good question to ask, just to force them to answer it if you can.  Considering that speculation on land plots seems to be the main point of the game, they really have to be okay with it.
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