Why 5th Edition? Breaking Down Baldur's Gate 3's Choice In D&D Ruleset That Powers The RPG | MMORPG.

System · July 2023

Why 5th Edition? Breaking Down Baldur's Gate 3's Choice In D&D Ruleset That Powers The RPG | MMORPG.com

As we creep closer to the release of Baldur's Gate 3, Lori breaks down why 5th Edition Dungeons & Dragons was a great ruleset for Larian Studios to choose when building the sprawling RPG.

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Sovrath · July 2023

As someone who is used to 3.5 I can say I habitually gutted it in order to streamline the game play experience and allow for better story telling to happen.

Nothing kills a moment like stopping the drama or stopping at an important event and then spending an inordinate time to roll dice.

Then again, as you say, there are people who LOVE theory crafting so I imagine the dice rolling and chart checking is there place to shine!

Utinni · July 2023

they used 5e because its what current dnd is and wotc is the boss. it wasn't some big consideration on what ruleset to use...

Iselin · July 2023

Because it's superior to previous rule sets in every conceivable way? I'm going to go with that.

Neoyoshi · July 2023

I have to agree that 5e is just a game changer in terms of how much of the role-playing aspect is given back and put into the players hands; and thats the way it should be.

I was a snob about it for awhile and i couldn't let go of the 3.5 ad&d ruleset, but i came around after actually player 5e and realizing that we spent so much more time playing and having fun, and far less dice-rolling; simply because they did away with certain checks, like THAC0

And i mean, fuck THAC0, i'm glad that's gone. EDIT: oh wow, right, to hit armor class was discontinued years ago, i played a lot of 2nd edition and moved right into 3rd xD - skipped 4th completely.

Neoyoshi · July 2023

This topic made me think of my old dungeon manuals so i dug those up.

Sarla · July 2023

I would have been happy with the same old ruleset from BG2. Not really a fan of modern D&D mechanics personally.

I am very excited for release though, I tried it out when they first opened EA and its very cool. I have been putting off on buying a new PC for a long time now, using windows 7 and this made me finally do it. So just got one this week and having fun checking out the windows 11 stuff.

Thought about getting a 4k monitor too, but their so many choices and I don't really understand all what the specs mean, so just going to stick to my old 23" LG whatever it is.

Xiaoki · July 2023

Don't think you need an article just to say "WotC mandated they use the new ruleset."

Just like with D&DO being forced to use the 3.5 ruleset and Neverwinter was forced to use the 4th edition ruleset.

Asm0deus · July 2023

I just hope the game will allow mods and the like so I can use cool looking khopeshs or other exotic weapons even if in 5E weapons dont have a crit chance multiplier and as such no crit builds etc

ValdemarJ · July 2023

I'll hop on the bandwagon. My guess is the ruleset was defined in their licensing agreement. If they wanted to use an alternative, they could have chosen the open ruleset.

Buy why? 5th ed is a fine ruleset. 3.5 is great, but isn't the end all be all of the editions. 3rd edition in NWN is every bit as powerful. And the truth is every single computer game only uses a modified subset of the edition rules they do choose.

Most people don't care by this point and have already hashed this out on social media forums. Those that love another edition know they'll either have to put up with something different or move on and not play at all.

My previous favorite version was 3rd. It had enough of the old school room for interpretation with some more serious build mechanics and is much more combat-centric than previous versions. 5th Ed is quickly becoming my favorite version because it feels a lot more like 3rd, but with a modern pass on combat and class mechanics.

Asm0deus · July 2023

ValdemarJ said:

I'll hop on the bandwagon. My guess is the ruleset was defined in their licensing agreement. If they wanted to use an alternative, they could have chosen the open ruleset.

Buy why? 5th ed is a fine ruleset. 3.5 is great, but isn't the end all be all of the editions. 3rd edition in NWN is every bit as powerful. And the truth is every single computer game only uses a modified subset of the edition rules they do choose.

Most people don't care by this point and have already hashed this out on social media forums. Those that love another edition know they'll either have to put up with something different or move on and not play at all.

Fairly certain WOTC is really anal about making companies use the current ruleset and I highly doubt larian would have been given any choice on this, I am just happy its not 4E.....

ValdemarJ · July 2023

Asm0deus said:

ValdemarJ said:

I'll hop on the bandwagon. My guess is the ruleset was defined in their licensing agreement. If they wanted to use an alternative, they could have chosen the open ruleset.

Buy why? 5th ed is a fine ruleset. 3.5 is great, but isn't the end all be all of the editions. 3rd edition in NWN is every bit as powerful. And the truth is every single computer game only uses a modified subset of the edition rules they do choose.

Most people don't care by this point and have already hashed this out on social media forums. Those that love another edition know they'll either have to put up with something different or move on and not play at all.

Fairly certain WOTC is really anal about making companies use the current ruleset and I highly doubt larian would have been given any choice on this, I am just happy its not 4E.....

I'm also glad that this isn't 4th Ed too.

Agreed that Wizards wanted them to use and promote the current version and was likely in their licensing for the Baldur's Gate franchise. They didn't have to do that to make a D&D game though. They could have made one like Solasta did, but Wizards was only going to give the gig to a studio that would build it how they wanted using the current rules version.

Sarla · July 2023

Asm0deus said:

I just hope the game will allow mods and the like so I can use cool looking khopeshs or other exotic weapons even if in 5E weapons dont have a crit chance multiplier and as such no crit builds etc

Yes it fully supports mods and there is all already a bunch of them on Nexus

Asm0deus · July 2023

Sarla said:

Asm0deus said:

I just hope the game will allow mods and the like so I can use cool looking khopeshs or other exotic weapons even if in 5E weapons dont have a crit chance multiplier and as such no crit builds etc

Yes it fully supports mods and there is all already a bunch of them on Nexus

Nice, awesome!

This is one game I am willing to fork out cash for as it's one that wont require subs or season passes, all is included in the box price plus mods which hopefully will allow for lots of replayability plus it looks like it has coop lan support, full offline mode etc. All below my 100$ danger danger radar.

I haven't looked much into to tbh since I didn't want to get caught up in any hype trains.

Arglebargle · July 2023

Can't say much about 5e, but the D&D rules have always been murky and haphazard. Moved away from DnD as soon as the 2nd Wave of rpg designs came out. Too much ossification of DnDisms throughout the rules sets.

Actually liked 4th edition, 'cause it was at least well organized for a change. But it was obviously a miniatures rules set, designed to sell miniatures. Like Warhammer.

As for the article, of course they used the present edition. Pretty much a no brainer if you have any connections with Hasbro or WotC people.

Probably going to get BG3 at its first sale. Didn't care for the originals' (see murky and haphazard above) mechanics, but BG3 seems like a nice roller coaster ride, with some serious replay.

ValdemarJ · July 2023

Icewind Dale I and II as CRPGs are more enjoyable for me than Baldur's Gate I and II. BG is a neat story with some D&D combat along the way, but if you get too creative with your party, it totally ruins the story and experience for me. IWD on the other hand, lets you get inventive with class and group composition to exploit the encounters in different ways and it doesn't really ruin the story.

I'm glad to hear BG III will offer modding. Hopefully they integrate it into the game system like Bethesda has done with Creation Club and their mod system. I want to play this on console, but if they aren't going to offer modding for Xbox, then I'll wait a bit before playing on PC.

Asm0deus · July 2023

Just had a quick look on nexus it it has some promising mods already for a game that isn't released and its not just no underwear or naked mods but some actual interesting mods that seem like they can changes the game rules and even introduce new gear...there a Drizzt Gear mod for those wanting Icingdeath and twinkle..lol

When it comes out though I want to try first a dual wielder/twf paladin...maybe oath breaker or vengence or so...

..........and maybe if my son gets into and we lan coop a game I might like try my hand at making a Elric of Melnibone type character but I would have to do some research on this one...maybe some kind of warlock multi class type? dunno

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