Larian Will Not Bring Baldur's Gate 3 or Other Games to Subscription Services, Citing Their Value |

System · January 18

Larian Will Not Bring Baldur's Gate 3 or Other Games to Subscription Services, Citing Their Value | MMORPG.com

Don't expect Baldur's Gate 3 on Game Pass or other subscription services, Larian's Sven Wincke has said, citing the value of the direct to player model as a valuable one.

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DeskMonkey13 · January 18

I literally called this during the ABK acquisition.

Neoyoshi · January 18

It's almost like the people at Ubisoft just blurt out stupid shit and expect that their words will never come back to haunt them or something.

Asm0deus · January 18

Good on them and fudge ubisoft...I will never pay, or rent, for one of their games...

Jelvis111 · January 18

The only way I could ever see them using monetization in that manner would be them coming up with a way to make an online D&D BG-online MMORPG. Which they might could do really well. I really want to see a game of this nature but if so I pray that they put as much work and effort into that type of game As they did BG3. I’ve prayed for that type of game for you. With an AI world GM managing players unique quests, zone quests and even world quests. Human designed but GM run. Long ways off I’m sure.

LamiaCritter · January 18

Unsurprising at all.
And simultaneously, I don't understand peoples' obsession with having literally everything shoved onto GamePass.

Kyleran · January 18

LamiaCritter said:

Unsurprising at all.

And simultaneously, I don't understand peoples' obsession with having literally everything shoved onto GamePass.

People be cheap.

Glad I could help.

hovsep159 · January 18

despite people freaking out about subs i still think gamepass is a good thing, not everyone can afford 70 dollar games or 120 dollars in other countries.

same with the ubisoft + sub, instead of having to buy prince of persia for 50 bucks i'll just get it for 17, beat it, then never touch it again.

DeskMonkey13 · January 18

hovsep159 said:

despite people freaking out about subs i still think gamepass is a good thing, not everyone can afford 70 dollar games or 120 dollars in other countries.

same with the ubisoft + sub, instead of having to buy prince of persia for 50 bucks i'll just get it for 17, beat it, then never touch it again.

When I was in the army ~ 2010 ish we were all playing xbox 360. COD, Modern Warfare, all the titles.

At that time Achievements were called "cheeses" for short.

So we called people like you "cheese chasers" and I still use it today lol.

DeskMonkey13 · January 18

DeskMonkey13 said:

I literally called this during the ABK acquisition.

Don't want to name blast myself but I checked thru months of twitter and found the posts.

Lol.

Scot · January 18

Subscription is not just relinquishing the ownership of physical media, in fact I was surprised that was brought up in the original article on Ubisoft's announcement. Gamepass is like Netflix, they remove games and presumably can remove parts of games like expansions and so on. Thats just unacceptable to me, but I guess as most players are butterflies it is fine.

waveslayer · January 18

seems some here have negativity towards sub services, even to the point of insulting players who use them, personally dont care what you call me, the XBox PC game pass has enabled me to play several games I never would have even considered looking at if I had to buy them right out, leading to these studios other games to be on my radar, in turn I have bought games from these studios, so knock the services and insult those who use them all you want but nobody cares, plus go to BG 3 website right now, I have to buy the game from steam cant get a physical copy unless I buy(pre order) the delux edition...

ZenJelly · January 18

I look forward to the downfall of Larian. Not outright death but they should learn their games aren't the Ultimate Experience they think they are. Their ego is getting a bit big. Just like Arkane before them a spiral downward will be glorious.

Mensur · January 18

Ubisoft - its as if idiots and loudmouths only work there.

Mensur · January 18

ZenJelly said:

I look forward to the downfall of Larian. Not outright death but they should learn their games aren't the Ultimate Experience they think they are. Their ego is getting a bit big. Just like Arkane before them a spiral downward will be glorious.

Wow - just wow! Words can describe how deranged this comment is.

Kyleran · January 18

DeskMonkey13 said:

DeskMonkey13 said:

I literally called this during the ABK acquisition.

Don't want to name blast myself but I checked thru months of twitter and found the posts. Lol.

Eww, you post on Twitter.

Kyleran · January 18

Scot said:

Subscription is not just relinquishing the ownership of physical media, in fact I was surprised that was brought up in the original article on Ubisoft's announcement. Gamepass is like Netflix, they remove games and presumably can remove parts of games like expansions and so on. Thats just unacceptable to me, but I guess as most players are butterflies it is fine.

Yeah, some online games have removed previously available content which really sucks IMO, but fortunately I haven't played many of them.

(Does WOW Catacombs count?)

gameplayingmonkey · January 18

hovsep159 said:

despite people freaking out about subs i still think gamepass is a good thing, not everyone can afford 70 dollar games or 120 dollars in other countries.

It will be a good thing until every developer, publisher and marketplace has its own gaming subscription pass. It might take a few years but it will end up the same as movie/tv show video streaming. Probably even worse considering whenever games get swapped between services it'd require a fresh install and its unlikely things like saves would be transferred.

What video game subscription do you think will be the first to place ads in their service unless you pay for the higher priced ad-free version?

ValdemarJ · January 18

waveslayer said:

seems some here have negativity towards sub services, even to the point of insulting players who use them, personally dont care what you call me, the XBox PC game pass has enabled me to play several games I never would have even considered looking at if I had to buy them right out, leading to these studios other games to be on my radar, in turn I have bought games from these studios, so knock the services and insult those who use them all you want but nobody cares, plus go to BG 3 website right now, I have to buy the game from steam cant get a physical copy unless I buy(pre order) the delux edition...

Empty insults are all those people have. Maybe I'm too jaded and spend way too much time on reddit, but those kind of virtue signalling circle-jerkers are irrelevant. Fuck em. My gaming hobby isn't there to validate their insecurities.

GamePass is pretty sweet right now and I've played dozens of games I never would have experienced elsewise. I actually finish more games now than I ever have before.

The really dumb thing those people miss is that people on subscription services still buy games. GP has enabled me to be a lot more selective about what I do buy. Even with the GP:U sub and my purchases, I still spend less per year now than before.

I get that Larian is feeling their oats with their first real success (which they deserve), but their loud mouth doesn't endear me to them or encourage me to spend money with them. I can pass on BG3 and never miss a beat.

ValdemarJ · January 18

Did people forget how enthusiastic Larian was for streaming services early on in their BG3 development? They were bringing Stadia exclusive features to their game.

https://gamerant.com/baldurs-gate-3-exclusive-features-stadia/

Oops, Sven Winkie did a flip-flop about face it seems. Maybe he should just stfu until he can reproduce that success with 2 or 3 more titles down the road.

Ubisoft corporate executives may have some horrible ideas, but the studios have made several incredible games and franchises. Larian has a long ways to catch up. This is like that one pop singer who had a mega hit in the 90s and thought it would be enough to get them laid for the rest of their lives.

Angrakhan · January 18

Eh, I wouldn't play BG3 if it were on a subscription service. Turn based combat bores me to tears, and I have no desire to fuck bears, so... Yeah. Larian can do whatever they want.

Aeander · January 18

I for one love subscription services for gaming.

But when it comes to a game that it really long, and really replayable, yeah, I'd rather own it. This is the exact kind of game that is best owned.

Sovrath · January 18

ZenJelly said:

I look forward to the downfall of Larian. Not outright death but they should learn their games aren't the Ultimate Experience they think they are. Their ego is getting a bit big. Just like Arkane before them a spiral downward will be glorious.

I’m sure they will eventually do something that pisses off players just like some other companies (Bethesda, CD Project) but what do we actually gain from the fall of, at the very least, a decent game company?

It’s not like their success kills babies or sets back games 20 years.

Gorwe · January 18

Great news. It's always 100% worth it to purchase a Larian game.

Also, a great move by Larian. Fuck Ubisoft. Their CEO needs proper firing to remember that words(and actions) have consequences.

BrotherMaynard · January 18

ValdemarJ said:

waveslayer said:

seems some here have negativity towards sub services, even to the point of insulting players who use them, personally dont care what you call me, the XBox PC game pass has enabled me to play several games I never would have even considered looking at if I had to buy them right out, leading to these studios other games to be on my radar, in turn I have bought games from these studios, so knock the services and insult those who use them all you want but nobody cares, plus go to BG 3 website right now, I have to buy the game from steam cant get a physical copy unless I buy(pre order) the delux edition...

Empty insults are all those people have. Maybe I'm too jaded and spend way too much time on reddit, but those kind of virtue signalling circle-jerkers are irrelevant. Fuck em. My gaming hobby isn't there to validate their insecurities.

GamePass is pretty sweet right now and I've played dozens of games I never would have experienced elsewise. I actually finish more games now than I ever have before.

The really dumb thing those people miss is that people on subscription services still buy games. GP has enabled me to be a lot more selective about what I do buy. Even with the GP:U sub and my purchases, I still spend less per year now than before.

I get that Larian is feeling their oats with their first real success (which they deserve), but their loud mouth doesn't endear me to them or encourage me to spend money with them. I can pass on BG3 and never miss a beat.

Here's the thing: imagine that you discover a game on GP that is perfect for you. You give it a try and after a while fall in love with it, buy it and play it ad nauseam. Months and years later, you still return to it, to relive good memories or to start completely new playthroughs to fully explore your perfect game.

Now let's say that Microsoft decides to remove the game from GP for whatever reason - it could be a licensing dispute with the dev studio or just Microsoft publishing a similar game and not wanting competition. Or simply to drive whatever FOMO mechanic they want.

How certain are you that you will retain access to your 'purchased' game? I am genuinely curious: have you read the terms of service and are you certain that you actually would continue to have access to the game that you have bought and want to continue playing?

With services like Steam that is not the case. I have never used GP and don't know what their ToS are like. But I would imagine they're similar to Steam's - they claim to be 'subscriber agreements' (as opposed to sales) and thus if Steam decides - for whatever reason - you will lose access to your supposedly purchased game(s).

That is a fundamental problem, of course. Literally: it is about your fundamental rights, such as your property rights. The question thus is very simple: do you really own what you think you own? Or is your supposed property actually somebody else's and your full enjoyment of it is just a matter of time, licensing updates or someone's caprice?

There is a big difference between services like Steam or GP on one side, and GoG and similar stores on the other. I understand the widespread appeal of Steam, its features, huge libraries that players have built, but especially for games that you particularly enjoy, it doesn't hurt to invest into a solution that will last beyond unforeseen changes such as the ones mentioned above. From what I understand about the GP, it is the exact opposite. Your purchase deal is always subject to change regardless of your intentions or wishes - and you'd better pray the big guy at Redmond does not decide to alter the deal further...

Jelvis111 · January 19

I’d rather have a game with a game pass mode built in from day one, but only if you’re going to use it for new and interesting 20 dollar mods every 3-4 months and even then the ideas eventually run dry and then you should make a sequel.

Next if you’re going to try making an MMORPG out of a game like this could be interesting but it’s still gotta be some tab targeting with dice rolling in the background. It’s got to hold to the game build and no matter what it can’t be a trinity.

Lastly and as a side note, I feel a really good Ai begs to be a GM even if it only runs dungeons that it builds on the fly. A game with private dungeons, thousands of layouts and thousands of ways the GM can place the levels, create clearing puzzles to open the level boss and offer loot depending upon how well you do of a dungeon a little ahead of you.

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