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NDA on CLosed Beta & STress test NOT Lifted AFTER release?!?

KilimKilim Member Posts: 546
http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1009466#post1009466


Originally Posted by EN


Greetings,


Lot of questions have been asked about the NDA and publication of
information about Dark and Light, so we think useful to make things
clear.


The DnL Beta has been, since it started, under NDA and will remain
under it since it will continue after the release to test the features
that will be added during the evolution of DnL.


The “Stress Test” isn’t an “Open beta” but an extension of the existing
“Closed Beta” for those who were able to acces SoG (Pioneers, Griffons
and Settlers). Therefore, it remains under the NDA, even though we have
authorised publication of screenshots from the community after they
have been approved.


To this end, no one is allowed to publish screenshots and videos from
the “Closed Beta” or from the “Stress Test” without approval, even
after the official release.


However, you can, of course, publish your screenshots and videos from
the release version of Dark and Light after its official release.


We thank you in advance for adhering to these rules.


Regards,

Farlan.


I think this is the very 1st game I have ever heard that kept the NDA after the game is released!


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  • TamValonTamValon Member Posts: 37
    Would like to see them try to enforce it. This is quite the butt of many jokes. Anything that was in the testing that is in the release is up for grabs anyway. This too however only proves more of the "release of an unfinished game" than anything else they could have possibly done, besides release it themselves. This wont stop the information from getting out. They cant hold this NDA up.
  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604
    Touche Tam  This doesnt surprise me in the least bit. I do believe several have even predicted they would try it. They all need to get a clue. Perhaps that student of game development is their consultant.
  • KilimKilim Member Posts: 546
    Originally posted by Cholayna
    Touche Tam  This doesnt surprise me in the least bit. I do believe several have even predicted they would try it. They all need to get a clue. Perhaps that student of game development is their consultant.

    To be honest, yes soem of us joked around that they will do soemthing like this.
    Emphasis on "joke around" part.

    I cannot belive they actually made our joke into a FACT!

    Can someone here please, please, tell me of a single MMORPG out there that kept their NDA AFTER the game has been released like D&L is doing now?

    I have been digging as hard as I can and I soemhow cannot find one.

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  • cablenewtcablenewt Member Posts: 13

    lol with this they wont have any reviews, pathetic.


  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604

    this wont stop a thing being reviewed nor the problems encountered. Too many of the problems are already disclosed/broken by Farlan themselves. The NDA is a joke in itself.

    And yes Killim, we were joking around when we said they would do it. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  • TerranahTerranah Member UncommonPosts: 3,575

    Obviously even the developers are embarrassed by the poor quality of their product. 

    I will definitely not be buying this piece of garbage, but if I had already preordered and was getting the game, I wouldn't honor their nda.  That is just a load of BS. 

  • ZippyZippy Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,412

    People wonder why us critics still hang around here.  Stories like this are precisely why.  I am always amazed by the dishonesty and comical antics of Farlan.

    One simple reason they are keeping the NDA up is to advoid being confronted by their previous lies and so they can continue to lie about what is not in development.

  • KilimKilim Member Posts: 546


    Originally posted by Zippy

    People wonder why us critics still hang around here.  Stories like this are precisely why.  I am always amazed by the dishonesty and comical antics of Farlan.
    One simple reason they are keeping the NDA up is to advoid being confronted by their previous lies and so they can continue to lie about what is not in development.


    Exactly.
    This is great entertainment while in my downtime at work lol.

    I actually even noticed some HIGHLY Vocal Fanbois changing their view points in their posts in the Official D&L Forums.

    Then of course there are those giving excuses for farlan.
    (ie: Well, no MMORPG has launched perfectly during its initial Launch or Every MMORPG has been delayed)
    HELLO people, this is NOT the VERY 1st delay of this game.

    Now they unleash this new info to discourage others from posting even more hard facts that NEEDS to be released.
    Can any legal hounds out there confirm to us if this NDA is actually viable?

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  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604
    From what I understand (which admittedly is only a laymans level) If they release the game, provide beta in the released game itself, they no longer have a valid NDA. If there is a SEPARATE Beta, other than what is released in the game itself (meaning if there is a completely full game with beta material in a separate entity from the released game itself and managed in such same way) then they could impose NDA on the beta testers only.. They cannot enforce an NDA on the paying subscribers on the released to the public game.
  • oakthornnoakthornn Member UncommonPosts: 863


    Originally posted by Cholayna
    From what I understand (which admittedly is only a laymans level) If they release the game, provide beta in the released game itself, they no longer have a valid NDA. If there is a SEPARATE Beta, other than what is released in the game itself (meaning if there is a completely full game with beta material in a separate entity from the released game itself and managed in such same way) then they could impose NDA on the beta testers only.. They cannot enforce an NDA on the paying subscribers on the released to the public game.


    So in other words, come June 5th the paying subscribrs arent bound by the NDA simply because we paid and subscribed for a product which gives us legal rights to say anything about it?

    Rallithon Oakthornn
    (Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)

  • DeletedAcctDeletedAcct Member Posts: 883
    The way I see it, Cholayna is correct. Once released, it is considered to be in the public domain and therefore all information from that time on becomes public.
  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604


    Originally posted by oakthornn

    Originally posted by Cholayna
    From what I understand (which admittedly is only a laymans level) If they release the game, provide beta in the released game itself, they no longer have a valid NDA. If there is a SEPARATE Beta, other than what is released in the game itself (meaning if there is a completely full game with beta material in a separate entity from the released game itself and managed in such same way) then they could impose NDA on the beta testers only.. They cannot enforce an NDA on the paying subscribers on the released to the public game.


    So in other words, come June 5th the paying subscribrs arent bound by the NDA simply because we paid and subscribed for a product which gives us legal rights to say anything about it?


    Correct in that what they have released to the public for subscription is no longer a valid NDA.
  • NaarNaar Member UncommonPosts: 165

    I told you they wouldn't drop it.

    A better question would be will gamer sites like MMORPG.com honor thier NDA as several testers will want to give thier side of the story after release....

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  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604
    They wont have to honor anything if they release the game to the public for subscriptions. Again, if there is a separately maintained entity, not released to the public for subscriptions and maintained as a separate entity itself, then the separate beta information can indeed be enforced under an NDA and only enforced against the Beta Testers who knowingly and willingly engage in a separate entity other than the released to the public (disclosed) game. The title itself tells you what an NDA is = Non Disclosure Agreement. If the company itself discloses the information to the public (releasing the game to the public for purchase and subscription with beta material contained therein) then it effectively produces a null and void NDA.
  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604


    Originally posted by Naar

    I told you they wouldn't drop it.


    LOL Thing is Naar, we thot we were all joking! LOL
  • psynopticMpsynopticM Member Posts: 7

    Care to reread the post please.

    Quote: "To this end, no one is allowed to publish screenshots and videos from the “Closed Beta” or from the “Stress Test” without approval, even after the official release."

    In other words: beta testers are not allowed to publish screenshots etc made during the Beta / Stress Test. This is in no way related to them trying to prevent reviews of the released product.

  • oakthornnoakthornn Member UncommonPosts: 863


    Originally posted by psynopticM

    Care to reread the post please.
    Quote: "To this end, no one is allowed to publish screenshots and videos from the “Closed Beta” or from the “Stress Test” without approval, even after the official release."
    In other words: beta testers are not allowed to publish screenshots etc made during the Beta / Stress Test. This is in no way related to them trying to prevent reviews of the released product.


    Sounds to me that they want as many people as possible who are in the dark to buy the game before all the beans are spilled.. Makes sense to a business standpoint doesn't it lol..

    Rallithon Oakthornn
    (Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)

  • KilimKilim Member Posts: 546


    Originally posted by psynopticM

    Care to reread the post please.
    Quote: "To this end, no one is allowed to publish screenshots and videos from the “Closed Beta” or from the “Stress Test” without approval, even after the official release."
    In other words: beta testers are not allowed to publish screenshots etc made during the Beta / Stress Test. This is in no way related to them trying to prevent reviews of the released product.


    Ok.
    So we cannot technically show Screenshots & Videos of the "Closed Beta" and "Stress Test".
    The NDA for the "Stress test" itself is a joke as can be seen in the forums in the Official D&L Forums.
    EVERYONE was breaking it and it was not enforced at all.

    As for the "Closed Beta" NDA, I think what we want to be able to do is post and show to everyone what we are not allowed to discuss and show prior to the games release.

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  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604


    Originally posted by psynopticM

    Care to reread the post please.
    Quote: "To this end, no one is allowed to publish screenshots and videos from the “Closed Beta” or from the “Stress Test” without approval, even after the official release."
    In other words: beta testers are not allowed to publish screenshots etc made during the Beta / Stress Test. This is in no way related to them trying to prevent reviews of the released product.


    yeha, and they said the stress was a beta -- however, it was opened to the pioneers and others who pre-ordered and did that without the benefit of a NDA at the time of purchase. They were not notified of such at the time of purchase. So in either case, the NDA is null and void.

    Originally Posted by EN

    Greetings,

    Lot of questions have been asked about the NDA and publication of information about Dark and Light, so we think useful to make things clear.

    The DnL Beta has been, since it started, under NDA and will remain under it since it will continue after the release to test the features that will be added during the evolution of DnL.

    The “Stress Test” isn’t an “Open beta” but an extension of the existing “Closed Beta” for those who were able to acces SoG (Pioneers, Griffons and Settlers). Therefore, it remains under the NDA, even though we have authorised publication of screenshots from the community after they have been approved.

    To this end, no one is allowed to publish screenshots and videos from the “Closed Beta” or from the “Stress Test” without approval, even after the official release.

    However, you can, of course, publish your screenshots and videos from the release version of Dark and Light after its official release.

    We thank you in advance for adhering to these rules.





    They may have a leg to stand on if the pre-orders and pioneers were told they were purchasing a Beta and thus would be required to participate in an NDA for an undetermined time period. As it stands, it makes it even worse.


  • TucheTuche Member UncommonPosts: 205


    Originally posted by psynopticM
    Care to reread the post please.
    Quote: "To this end, no one is allowed to publish screenshots and videos from the “Closed Beta” or from the “Stress Test” without approval, even after the official release."
    In other words: beta testers are not allowed to publish screenshots etc made during the Beta / Stress Test. This is in no way related to them trying to prevent reviews of the released product.

    You are right.



    The DnL Beta has been, since it started, under NDA and will remain under it since it will continue after the release to test the features that will be added during the evolution of DnL.

    DNL Beta will continue even after release.
    as i understand, they will have, beta and live servers.
    the info from live, you can release, the info from beta, you cant.



    To this end, no one is allowed to publish screenshots and videos from the “Closed Beta” or from the “Stress Test” without approval, even after the official release.

    as already said, you may release info and screens taken on the "live" servers.
    but you are under nda if you play on the beta servers.

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604
    There are no current "beta servers", there is no separate entity that could be called a beta. Placing an NDA on the released to the public game is not feasible. Placing an NDA retroactive to pre-orders without full disclosure that they are acknowledging that they are purchasing an NDA restricted released game at the time of purchase is not feasible.
  • IKShadowIKShadow Member UncommonPosts: 783


    Originally posted by psynopticM

    Care to reread the post please.
    Quote: "To this end, no one is allowed to publish screenshots and videos from the “Closed Beta” or from the “Stress Test” without approval, even after the official release."
    In other words: beta testers are not allowed to publish screenshots etc made during the Beta / Stress Test. This is in no way related to them trying to prevent reviews of the released product.


    Get use to it, posts here are ment to be as negative as possible.

    There is no NDA for released version and that all anyone need to know.
    So whoever is interested in DnL can wait few days/weeks/months/years  and checkout posts of released version.

    And yes it will be rough ride, nothing suprising for small dev teams.
    Can this game compete with some big boys releases imo not at release and a big mybe, after six months thats the minumum time to get it polished etc...

    If you are into almost perfect releases just forget about DnL and every other MMO from small dev teams that ususaly dont wont to make just another wow,EQ2 clone but something new and more interesting.

    Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]

  • CholaynaCholayna Member Posts: 1,604


    Originally posted by IKShadow
    If you are into almost perfect releases just forget about DnL and every other MMO from small dev teams that ususaly dont wont to make just another wow,EQ2 clone but something new and more interesting.

    yeh like COS, or Aion, or any number of other competent but small companies.
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