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Never did get a chance to look into this one and fell of my radar till this news update. Could you elaborate as to why it was trash?
Read some of the reviews on Steam. It was kind of a mess tbh...sounds like it had a cash shop, buy to play, some terrible combat mechanics ect. No one was really playing it.
Their preaching got a lot of media attention from sites including this one, can't say we did not warn them. That said, they actual made a decent TTRPG source book, go figure.
Their preaching got a lot of media attention from sites including this one, can't say we did not warn them. That said, they actual made a decent TTRPG source book, go figure.
Yeah, ngl they came out throwing punches which was kinda uncalled for and was a kind of a facepalm moment. Not sure if was for attention, or out of ignorance but it sure didn't help to alienate a potential playerbase.
Seriously, it should be illegal to try to fund an MMO on Kickstarter unless your pledge goal is at least as high as the budget of a comparable game. It's so ridiculous that these idiot start-ups are allowed to cheat people like this.
Their preaching got a lot of media attention from sites including this one, can't say we did not warn them. That said, they actual made a decent TTRPG source book, go figure.
They got attention here due to the original setting (deservedly imo, the setting looked great, hence the TTRPG) but this site's review when it released in early access did not pull punches, it was grim.
Personally I also found their question whether you were PoC in the beta questionnaire inappropriate, and I did not like that RP was forced.
I am thinking more of the number of "in development" articles they got. But basically telling the industry you guys have got it all wrong and acting as if the were the saviors of MMO-land was one of the worst stances I have seen.
We sound of on the industry all the time, we are gamers, studios should not do that, particular ones that have not proved they can produce anything.
Seriously, it should be illegal to try to fund an MMO on Kickstarter unless your pledge goal is at least as high as the budget of a comparable game. It's so ridiculous that these idiot start-ups are allowed to cheat people like this.
For better or worse there is really very little legislation in the world that prevents able bodied adults from doing stupid or dangerous activities as long as the only person injured is themselves.
Watched a YouTube video yesterday on the history of "Death by Selfie."
Took until around 2012 for the 1st death before the modern era kicked off via Smartphones and almost 2 years before a 2nd one happened.
According to the commentator the current Death by Selfie rate is up to one a week.
Time to go watch more Tik Tok or YouTube videos of people doing incredibly dangerous stunts even if the fatal ones are usually blocked from view.
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Goodness no, in development MMOs, particularly from indie devs have provided me and others countless hours of entertaining conversations, probably more than the games themselves ever will.
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Good they deserve it. They were openly racist during development and their questionnaire during alpha/beta. They were even worse int heir discord with the devs being flat out blunt racist telling their public that there is no safe space with any white people in it no matter how diverse. Happy to see this horrible "game" shutter. But from reading steam reviews (which they still have it up for sale by the way), there really wasn't a game there at all. Most gave high marks for art and culture, and basically said nothing resembling a game was really there. Either way for the way this garbage got pushed down the throats of everyone visiting gaming sites for awhile, good riddance.
There is probably more to this story; like how this game (or at least the Twin Drums dev team) appears to have been primarily founded by a game startup program lead by 'Riot games'.
The Twin Drums website looks like it was designed by trend analysts of a pre-COVID19 game industry, or simply put; person A asked a web designed: "Make our website appear like we are professionals and come from a place of tested experience."
That's just some of the many warning signs that stuck out to me that this was probably a doomed project from the start. The makings of people pushing themselves into a struggling industry with no actual passion or know-how, and hoping they can just learn as they go and will be fine.
It also appeared like this tiny tiny studio was making the same mistake so many startups make when they are lucky enough to be funded by outside investors; they immediately reach for the stars and try to do things they do not come close to having the experience or funding to even pull off, and when it all falls apart they claim calamity is to blame.
When will newly minted dev teams learn that they have to start off small, manageable and realistic, and then work their way up?
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I am thinking more of the number of "in development" articles they got. But basically telling the industry you guys have got it all wrong and acting as if the were the saviors of MMO-land was one of the worst stances I have seen
Hm if that was their stance they deserve the scorn. Was it though? I don't remember anything like that.
As for the numerous articles, I feel it's the same with every in-development mmo - plus this one was backed by Riot plus the setting I think it's normal that they attracted more eyes.
I tend to tune out with most in-development mmos anyway, they are of 0 value to me unless they reach a can-buy, no wipe state.
This all happened really early on, when they saw the reaction of players including fans who were supporting the game they canned it. There was a lot of spirit there and enough expertise to knock out a TTRPG source book which is no mean feet. But their moral high handedness really got them off to a poor start.
Which still leaves us with nearly every MMO being based on fantasy/SF versions of Europe (they went on a lot about that) or the Far East (they conveniently forgot about Asian MMOs). So putting the game to one side, we need MMOs set in Africa, South America, Australia, the Artic, just somewhere else. Going to be a long wait.
Bets on whether failure was due to racism, sexism, misogyny or a some such combination?
I think the racism discouraged people from trying the game, but the impression I get is that it failed to hold those that did try it because it wasn't any good.
In short, they set up a gate but those who did muscle through didn't care to stay.
An openly racist development team built an openly racist game that thankfully failed. The entertaining part was watching the online gaming rags, this one included, tiptoe around the fact because according to the progressive narrative "black people can't be racist", and if you do call it out you risk public excoriation and cancelling. And you all can do your little eye roll and lol emojis but we all know if nothing else changed about this game except for everything and everyone was white this pile of trash would have been lambasted from day one.
Oh well the right thing happened here, and it would have been the right thing if the skin tones were white. Racism should have no place in modern society, and regardless of the racism this game was a pile of trash.
I am just here to pile on my disgust of the developers for being arrogant and blind to reality. They CREATED FAILURE with their attitude toward "others"
An openly racist development team built an openly racist game that thankfully failed. The entertaining part was watching the online gaming rags, this one included, tiptoe around the fact because according to the progressive narrative "black people can't be racist", and if you do call it out you risk public excoriation and cancelling. And you all can do your little eye roll and lol emojis but we all know if nothing else changed about this game except for everything and everyone was white this pile of trash would have been lambasted from day one.
Oh well the right thing happened here, and it would have been the right thing if the skin tones were white. Racism should have no place in modern society, and regardless of the racism this game was a pile of trash.
It's so exhausting seeing some people non-ironically push the idea that certain groups can't be racist. That is fundamentally misunderstanding what racism is, and everyone has the potential of doing it.
Hell, you can be "racist" with anything; from skin color to eye color and natural hair color. There's no real distinction in discrimination, and the people saying "black people can't be racist" is such a fallacy that makes me head hurt.
Regardless, it's not really that surprising to see yet another Kickstarter MMO bite the dust. Whether it was due to mismanagement or not is up there. The genre is unfortunately very difficult to penetrate as an idie studio, since you need a lot of money.
I generally stay away from conversations involving the "r" word on this site as I've seen too many long time favorite posters get permabanned when overstepping the moderator's tolerance levels.
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At first, I was kind of hoping this was going to work as it would have been good to have a different setting and vibe for an MMO. However, as soon as I saw that most of the people working on this were artists, writers and a few coding minions to throw it all together, I knew it was doomed. There was a thimble full of MMO experience amongst everyone there combined. Also, the casual racism coming from the studio didn't do it any favours, either.
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At first, I was kind of hoping this was going to work as it would have been good to have a different setting and vibe for an MMO. However, as soon as I saw that most of the people working on this were artists, writers and a few coding minions to throw it all together, I knew it wad doomed. There was a thimble full of MMO experience amongst everyone there combined. Also, the casual racism coming from the studio didn't do it any favours, either.
Pretty much a text book description of how to fail at making an MMO. Add to the witches brew Allan Cudicio seeming to be a seriously egotistical prick who happily set about alienating what could have been a large portion of his customer base and you have one hell of a train wreck on your hands.
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Read some of the reviews on Steam. It was kind of a mess tbh...sounds like it had a cash shop, buy to play, some terrible combat mechanics ect. No one was really playing it.
Yeah, ngl they came out throwing punches which was kinda uncalled for and was a kind of a facepalm moment. Not sure if was for attention, or out of ignorance but it sure didn't help to alienate a potential playerbase.
We sound of on the industry all the time, we are gamers, studios should not do that, particular ones that have not proved they can produce anything.
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Watched a YouTube video yesterday on the history of "Death by Selfie."
Took until around 2012 for the 1st death before the modern era kicked off via Smartphones and almost 2 years before a 2nd one happened.
According to the commentator the current Death by Selfie rate is up to one a week.
Time to go watch more Tik Tok or YouTube videos of people doing incredibly dangerous stunts even if the fatal ones are usually blocked from view.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
https://www.riotgames.com/en/diversity-and-inclusion/industry#:~:text=In 2020, Riot created the,of our Riotwide investment portfolio.
The Twin Drums website looks like it was designed by trend analysts of a pre-COVID19 game industry, or simply put; person A asked a web designed: "Make our website appear like we are professionals and come from a place of tested experience."
That's just some of the many warning signs that stuck out to me that this was probably a doomed project from the start. The makings of people pushing themselves into a struggling industry with no actual passion or know-how, and hoping they can just learn as they go and will be fine.
It also appeared like this tiny tiny studio was making the same mistake so many startups make when they are lucky enough to be funded by outside investors; they immediately reach for the stars and try to do things they do not come close to having the experience or funding to even pull off, and when it all falls apart they claim calamity is to blame.
When will newly minted dev teams learn that they have to start off small, manageable and realistic, and then work their way up?
Fishing on Gilgamesh since 2013
Fishing on Bronzebeard since 2005
Fishing in RL since 1992
Born with a fishing rod in my hand in 1979
Which still leaves us with nearly every MMO being based on fantasy/SF versions of Europe (they went on a lot about that) or the Far East (they conveniently forgot about Asian MMOs). So putting the game to one side, we need MMOs set in Africa, South America, Australia, the Artic, just somewhere else. Going to be a long wait.
In short, they set up a gate but those who did muscle through didn't care to stay.
Oh well the right thing happened here, and it would have been the right thing if the skin tones were white. Racism should have no place in modern society, and regardless of the racism this game was a pile of trash.
It's so exhausting seeing some people non-ironically push the idea that certain groups can't be racist. That is fundamentally misunderstanding what racism is, and everyone has the potential of doing it.
Hell, you can be "racist" with anything; from skin color to eye color and natural hair color. There's no real distinction in discrimination, and the people saying "black people can't be racist" is such a fallacy that makes me head hurt.
Regardless, it's not really that surprising to see yet another Kickstarter MMO bite the dust. Whether it was due to mismanagement or not is up there. The genre is unfortunately very difficult to penetrate as an idie studio, since you need a lot of money.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Pretty much a text book description of how to fail at making an MMO. Add to the witches brew Allan Cudicio seeming to be a seriously egotistical prick who happily set about alienating what could have been a large portion of his customer base and you have one hell of a train wreck on your hands.