Pax Dei To Conduct 'Plot Clean Up' To Make Room For Active Players | MMORPG.com

System · July 27

Pax Dei To Conduct 'Plot Clean Up' To Make Room For Active Players | MMORPG.com

Pax Dei will soon take measures to clear out abandoned plots, in the wake of player complaints that servers are too full.

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helot · July 27

Nothing to do once you make your plot. What did they expect. Nothing game.

Tokken · July 27

Soon they will be adding more content.

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hivemind9000 · July 27

Despite the unreasonable craft grind, and nothing much else beyond that, I probably would have bought the game and played it like a slow "cozy crafter" while they finished the rest of the game. But their plans to potentially reset the servers and undo everything you do in-game put me off. I think I'll wait a year and check it out then.

dirtyside · July 28

Tokken said:

Soon they will be adding more content.

this was meant to be a joke right ??? because when you actually look at that ......... ok , when that is said and done. they still need the players to actually build a functioning world (roll play)and they are saying this so yea......... like i have stated before this game will never leave EA

moonpanther · July 28

I’m definitely getting vibes of “we know how to make a game but not an MMO, but we are going to string you along and milk you for every dime forever”. Shroud of the avatar, chronicles of Elyria, Palia, Star Citizen, and New World; these games come to mind as this sort of half baked cool game concepts, that never actually get baked. They just linger in the aether, until an announcement is made for an abrupt shutdown.

mikeb0817 · July 28

Hey, I paid $40 for my plot they better not remove it. Wtf. If the purchase of plots in this game was supposed to be our subscription, how the hell can they delete them?? I may not play as often as some others but does that mean my subscription money is worth less?

This game was a wreck at launch a month ago and I see no action taken to prove they know what the hell they're doing.

cheyane · July 28

You paid real money for your plot???? That is ridiculous then for them to remove it.

dirtyside · July 28

mikeb0817 said:

Hey, I paid $40 for my plot they better not remove it. Wtf. If the purchase of plots in this game was supposed to be our subscription, how the hell can they delete them?? I may not play as often as some others but does that mean my subscription money is worth less?

This game was a wreck at launch a month ago and I see no action taken to prove they know what the hell they're doing.

i wonder if on STEAM would removing plots be a good argument for a full refund or at least refund to wallet. but then again it is EA and they do say there will be wipes so it is the same difference

Kyleran · July 28

dirtyside said:

Tokken said:

Soon they will be adding more content.

this was meant to be a joke right ??? because when you actually look at that ......... ok , when that is said and done. they still need the players to actually build a functioning world (roll play)and they are saying this so yea......... like i have stated before this game will never leave EA

He forgot to write it as Soon[TM]

Sovrath · July 28

dirtyside said:

mikeb0817 said:

Hey, I paid $40 for my plot they better not remove it. Wtf. If the purchase of plots in this game was supposed to be our subscription, how the hell can they delete them?? I may not play as often as some others but does that mean my subscription money is worth less?

This game was a wreck at launch a month ago and I see no action taken to prove they know what the hell they're doing.

i wonder if on STEAM would removing plots be a good argument for a full refund or at least refund to wallet. but then again it is EA and they do say there will be wipes so it is the same difference

omg you people.

This is not a launched game. There will be wipes where your plot are completely removed, active or not.

This is a test/work in progress game.

This is why "early access" has issues as players think (for some reason) they are just playing the game and eventually more content will come down the pike. Not the case.

If you don't want to deal with multiple wipes or plot removal wait until it launches (if it launches).

olepi · July 28

Sovrath said:

dirtyside said:

mikeb0817 said:

Hey, I paid $40 for my plot they better not remove it. Wtf. If the purchase of plots in this game was supposed to be our subscription, how the hell can they delete them?? I may not play as often as some others but does that mean my subscription money is worth less?

This game was a wreck at launch a month ago and I see no action taken to prove they know what the hell they're doing.

i wonder if on STEAM would removing plots be a good argument for a full refund or at least refund to wallet. but then again it is EA and they do say there will be wipes so it is the same difference

omg you people.

This is not a launched game. There will be wipes where your plot are completely removed, active or not.

This is a test/work in progress game.

This is why "early access" has issues as players think (for some reason) they are just playing the game and eventually more content will come down the pike. Not the case.

If you don't want to deal with multiple wipes or plot removal wait until it launches (if it launches).

Two thoughts, nobody should ever request a refund if they looked into what they were buying. I have only requested a refund for one game, because it literally wouldn't boot up on my machine.

The other thought is that if a game is going to be wiped, it hasn't really released. Games in EA or perpetual alpha that still have periodic wipes can't be considered to be officially released. If you spend money on such a game you are not entitled to a refund.

Kyleran · July 28

olepi said:

Sovrath said:

dirtyside said:

mikeb0817 said:

Hey, I paid $40 for my plot they better not remove it. Wtf. If the purchase of plots in this game was supposed to be our subscription, how the hell can they delete them?? I may not play as often as some others but does that mean my subscription money is worth less?

This game was a wreck at launch a month ago and I see no action taken to prove they know what the hell they're doing.

i wonder if on STEAM would removing plots be a good argument for a full refund or at least refund to wallet. but then again it is EA and they do say there will be wipes so it is the same difference

omg you people.

This is not a launched game. There will be wipes where your plot are completely removed, active or not.

This is a test/work in progress game.

This is why "early access" has issues as players think (for some reason) they are just playing the game and eventually more content will come down the pike. Not the case.

If you don't want to deal with multiple wipes or plot removal wait until it launches (if it launches).

Two thoughts, nobody should ever request a refund if they looked into what they were buying. I have only requested a refund for one game, because it literally wouldn't boot up on my machine.

The other thought is that if a game is going to be wiped, it hasn't really released. Games in EA or perpetual alpha that still have periodic wipes can't be considered to be officially released. If you spend money on such a game you are not entitled to a refund.

All depends what the $40 that players paid for a plot was supposed to get them.

Was it just to get access to an additional plot to the free one? If so nothing says company can't wipe inactive plots as long as the player can still put another plot down somewhere, even if it's on a different server.

Easy solution as well, go log on for 5 mins and pretend to be active every now and then.

Sovrath · July 28

Kyleran said:

olepi said:

Sovrath said:

dirtyside said:

mikeb0817 said:

Hey, I paid $40 for my plot they better not remove it. Wtf. If the purchase of plots in this game was supposed to be our subscription, how the hell can they delete them?? I may not play as often as some others but does that mean my subscription money is worth less?

This game was a wreck at launch a month ago and I see no action taken to prove they know what the hell they're doing.

i wonder if on STEAM would removing plots be a good argument for a full refund or at least refund to wallet. but then again it is EA and they do say there will be wipes so it is the same difference

omg you people.

This is not a launched game. There will be wipes where your plot are completely removed, active or not.

This is a test/work in progress game.

This is why "early access" has issues as players think (for some reason) they are just playing the game and eventually more content will come down the pike. Not the case.

If you don't want to deal with multiple wipes or plot removal wait until it launches (if it launches).

Two thoughts, nobody should ever request a refund if they looked into what they were buying. I have only requested a refund for one game, because it literally wouldn't boot up on my machine.

The other thought is that if a game is going to be wiped, it hasn't really released. Games in EA or perpetual alpha that still have periodic wipes can't be considered to be officially released. If you spend money on such a game you are not entitled to a refund.

All depends what the $40 that players paid for a plot was supposed to get them.

Was it just to get access to an additional plot to the free one? If so nothing says company can't wipe inactive plots as long as the player can still put another plot down somewhere, even if it's on a different server.

Easy solution as well, go log on for 5 mins and pretend to be active every now and then.

You basically get "a certain size" plot to work with during the development of the game. Since there are going to be wipes, at any time your plot can be wiped. It stands to reason that if players aren't in the game for whatever reason then they'll just free them up and someone else can get that plot should they want to continue in the game.

In the end it will all be wiped anyway.

mikeb0817 · July 28

Sovrath said:

dirtyside said:

mikeb0817 said:

Hey, I paid $40 for my plot they better not remove it. Wtf. If the purchase of plots in this game was supposed to be our subscription, how the hell can they delete them?? I may not play as often as some others but does that mean my subscription money is worth less?

This game was a wreck at launch a month ago and I see no action taken to prove they know what the hell they're doing.

i wonder if on STEAM would removing plots be a good argument for a full refund or at least refund to wallet. but then again it is EA and they do say there will be wipes so it is the same difference

omg you people.

This is not a launched game. There will be wipes where your plot are completely removed, active or not.

This is a test/work in progress game.

This is why "early access" has issues as players think (for some reason) they are just playing the game and eventually more content will come down the pike. Not the case.

If you don't want to deal with multiple wipes or plot removal wait until it launches (if it launches).

The whole idea about them selling the plots is that was supposed to be in place of a subscription model. I don't think as such they should be removed at all by the devs, and the fact they didn't think about this before early access launch is another glaring lack for foresight by the devs.

Sovrath · July 28

mikeb0817 said:

Sovrath said:

dirtyside said:

mikeb0817 said:

Hey, I paid $40 for my plot they better not remove it. Wtf. If the purchase of plots in this game was supposed to be our subscription, how the hell can they delete them?? I may not play as often as some others but does that mean my subscription money is worth less?

This game was a wreck at launch a month ago and I see no action taken to prove they know what the hell they're doing.

i wonder if on STEAM would removing plots be a good argument for a full refund or at least refund to wallet. but then again it is EA and they do say there will be wipes so it is the same difference

omg you people.

This is not a launched game. There will be wipes where your plot are completely removed, active or not.

This is a test/work in progress game.

This is why "early access" has issues as players think (for some reason) they are just playing the game and eventually more content will come down the pike. Not the case.

If you don't want to deal with multiple wipes or plot removal wait until it launches (if it launches).

The whole idea about them selling the plots is that was supposed to be in place of a subscription model. I don't think as such they should be removed at all by the devs, and the fact they didn't think about this before early access launch is another glaring lack for foresight by the devs.

That is certainly a take on it but it's not really accurate. So, if they were to wipe the game next week with a new build "then what?"

Again, this is not a finished game. Alpha at best.

mikeb0817 · July 28

Sovrath said:

mikeb0817 said:

Sovrath said:

dirtyside said:

mikeb0817 said:

Hey, I paid $40 for my plot they better not remove it. Wtf. If the purchase of plots in this game was supposed to be our subscription, how the hell can they delete them?? I may not play as often as some others but does that mean my subscription money is worth less?

This game was a wreck at launch a month ago and I see no action taken to prove they know what the hell they're doing.

i wonder if on STEAM would removing plots be a good argument for a full refund or at least refund to wallet. but then again it is EA and they do say there will be wipes so it is the same difference

omg you people.

This is not a launched game. There will be wipes where your plot are completely removed, active or not.

This is a test/work in progress game.

This is why "early access" has issues as players think (for some reason) they are just playing the game and eventually more content will come down the pike. Not the case.

If you don't want to deal with multiple wipes or plot removal wait until it launches (if it launches).

The whole idea about them selling the plots is that was supposed to be in place of a subscription model. I don't think as such they should be removed at all by the devs, and the fact they didn't think about this before early access launch is another glaring lack for foresight by the devs.

That is certainly a take on it but it's not really accurate. So, if they were to wipe the game next week with a new build "then what?"

Again, this is not a finished game. Alpha at best.

I just think they should have had some idea of how to address this issue before now. Randomly deleting something someone has worked hard on because they didn't anticipate a land full of abandoned homes, don't have enough "prime" spots for people, or because they didn't think things through just feels.. I dunno, amateur? Something as simple as a decay system like UO would have worked fine and the fact "building out your plot" is 90% of the game right now makes this an issue that should have been addressed before we got here.

Sovrath · July 28

mikeb0817 said:

Sovrath said:

mikeb0817 said:

Sovrath said:

dirtyside said:

mikeb0817 said:

Hey, I paid $40 for my plot they better not remove it. Wtf. If the purchase of plots in this game was supposed to be our subscription, how the hell can they delete them?? I may not play as often as some others but does that mean my subscription money is worth less?

This game was a wreck at launch a month ago and I see no action taken to prove they know what the hell they're doing.

i wonder if on STEAM would removing plots be a good argument for a full refund or at least refund to wallet. but then again it is EA and they do say there will be wipes so it is the same difference

omg you people.

This is not a launched game. There will be wipes where your plot are completely removed, active or not.

This is a test/work in progress game.

This is why "early access" has issues as players think (for some reason) they are just playing the game and eventually more content will come down the pike. Not the case.

If you don't want to deal with multiple wipes or plot removal wait until it launches (if it launches).

The whole idea about them selling the plots is that was supposed to be in place of a subscription model. I don't think as such they should be removed at all by the devs, and the fact they didn't think about this before early access launch is another glaring lack for foresight by the devs.

That is certainly a take on it but it's not really accurate. So, if they were to wipe the game next week with a new build "then what?"

Again, this is not a finished game. Alpha at best.

I just think they should have had some idea of how to address this issue before now. Randomly deleting something someone has worked hard on because they didn't anticipate a land full of abandoned homes, don't have enough "prime" spots for people, or because they didn't think things through just feels.. I dunno, amateur? Something as simple as a decay system like UO would have worked fine and the fact "building out your plot" is 90% of the game right now makes this an issue that should have been addressed before we got here.

They very well might have such a system. It's not a finished game. Nothing is set in stone.

Also, are you "Mike Bitton?"

Viper482 · July 28

This makes me wonder if they will do it when the game is live as well. Imagine having a sweet spot and taking a break from the game only to come back and it's gone. Nope.

namcost · July 29

As someone else said the game is a huge nothing burger. This meme of "no npc's, no quests" just ignorance to bad game design. While I can agree that a strictly linear game like modern MMO's is rather boring in its own right (and too hand holdy) having zero structure at all is also a step in the wrong direction.

IF PAX DEI WAS "MY" GAME, I would have developed a larger map to start with.... from there, there would be THREE main NPC cities you can take quests from. This way, you have SOME KIND of structure in place....

Imagine you started MY MMO, and you immediately go into backstory choice and character creation.... then pick one of the three major starting NPC cities.... they are the ONLY NPC cities to exist in the game. Every other town, village, outpost, whatever, would be player created and player run.... which breathes "life" into the game. You start out, and decide all you want to do is mine and blacksmith. So you visit one of the NPC blacksmiths and become an apprentice. The system would be complex on the back end but simple to the user to understand and pickup.... First quest, go chop wood to feed the furnace. You can't smelt metal without heat.... so you chop wood. Quest complete. Maybe there are hidden bonus objectives. Like it tells you to chop 50 wood but you chop 200 instead. And turn in 200 instead of 50. So now you get a bonus reward for going "above and beyond". Not all "above and beyond" hidden quest reward will be so easy to figure out.... anyway, your next quest is to go mining. The blacksmith gives you "apprentice pickaxe" and you head to the local mine to get some low quality iron ore.... again, maybe he wants 100 pieces but you harvest 1000. Maybe you keep 900 and only turn in the 100 so you can get a "head start" on crafting right after the main quest line.... you are then instructed to make your first blacksmith hammer. Said NPC blacksmith gives you "ancient blacksmith hammer" to craft your own with. After the quest, the "ancient blacksmith hammer" is automatically returned to the NPC and you now have your own. Now you can take other quests to learn recipes and such since you are now a "novice" instead of "apprentice".... eventually you level up enough to become the next tier up, so on and so fourth.

Maybe crafting isn't your think, maybe you want to get into PvP as a rogue like class that relies on stealth. So you go into the NPC city sewers and find the thieves guild and take up quests to become a rogue.... "apprentice rogue" and your first quest is to steal XX amount of gold off NPC's in the city.... you use stealth to do it. Don't get caught! You have to pick targets, follow them, and actually wait until "the coast is clear" to rob them aka when they are alone and no one will see you pickpocket them from behind.... you return with the gold and turn it in. They give you your entry level novice thieves guild clothing set. Next they want you to murder some kobalts in the local forest and get their ears. You do it, and gather 10 ears. Returning, they turn the 10 ears into "Kobald Ear Necklace" which gives you +1 agility. Quests that have MEANING and real effects/results. Not just some random "kill kobalds" and then you are given some stupid healing potion.... rewards for quests make sense to the quest taken.

The list goes on. Maybe you want to become a mercenary that other players pay to protect them as they travel in the world, so you go to the knights academy of the NPC city and learn skills. Your first quest is to hit a target dummy 100 times. This not only raises your base stats but also gives you the first attack skill. Meaningful quests with meaningful rewards. Eventually they "test your might" by sending you out of the city for your first mission.

There would be an adventurers guild like the way anime/manga isekai shows do. Where you can simply sing up to be an adventurer.

Want to learn magic? guess what, there is a magic school to start out. Where they teach you magic and other forms of nerdy shit like reading books and such. Teaching you that actually reading books in the game world can have huge effects on the player's progress.

A complicated game on the back end, but simple for players to pick up and play.

I have been saying for years, video games should be EASY to pick up, so much so that even a child can pick it up and play it. Think driving/racing in real life. A child can learn by driving gokarts at a young age. Then when they grow up, they already have skills. The first time I drove a gokart I got the hang of it after 2 laps.... and loved it ever since. In real life, many things a child can learn and pick up easily, especially with the right teacher. THE SAME cannot be said for many video games with overly complicated UI's and control schemes.... not to mention game development tools. A 5 year old, even with a brilliant teacher, will take years to become decent at using 3d design tools like blender or programming and so on. Because its not easy, and not everyone can pick it up. Until game development has the same EASE as other things in real life, we will continue to get bad games that take too long to develop.... im not saying you should click one button and boom, your game is auto-made for you. But the steps of each stage should be easier/simpler.... but it isn't. and that's why games are getting worse.

Sovrath · July 29

namcost said:

IF PAX DEI WAS "MY" GAME, I would have developed a larger map to start with.... from there, there would be THREE main NPC cities you can take quests from. This way, you have SOME KIND of structure in place....

That's great. But How do you know you would be in the financial position to do that before opening it up to early access?

Also, while that's also great that you want more structure, Pax Dei, at least for now, seems to be the kind of game where the players make their own structure.

So yeah, there are players who want to just head out and make their own fortune and players who want structure like you are talking about.

In the case of Pax Dei, this is what they were able to offer for early access. We will see if it gives them what they need or not.

Sovrath · July 29

cheyane said:

You paid real money for your plot???? That is ridiculous then for them to remove it.

No, he paid money for 1 plot for the account. When the game launches he will be able to lay claim to one plot and develop it.

mikeb0817 · July 29

"are you "Mike Bitton?"

Nope, not me sorry.

xdave78 · July 29

Question to everyone escalating her: can you guys confirm (source pls) that active plots are removed? I doubt it but when you are griefing so loud, maybe i missed sth?! Or did you?

dirtyside · July 29

Sovrath said:

dirtyside said:

mikeb0817 said:

Hey, I paid $40 for my plot they better not remove it. Wtf. If the purchase of plots in this game was supposed to be our subscription, how the hell can they delete them?? I may not play as often as some others but does that mean my subscription money is worth less?

This game was a wreck at launch a month ago and I see no action taken to prove they know what the hell they're doing.

i wonder if on STEAM would removing plots be a good argument for a full refund or at least refund to wallet. but then again it is EA and they do say there will be wipes so it is the same difference

omg you people.

This is not a launched game. There will be wipes where your plot are completely removed, active or not.

This is a test/work in progress game.

This is why "early access" has issues as players think (for some reason) they are just playing the game and eventually more content will come down the pike. Not the case.

If you don't want to deal with multiple wipes or plot removal wait until it launches (if it launches).

i agree with what you are saying however ......... what the argument for refund i was saying would be ...... is now pax dei is saying you have to play our game weekly (i'm making the time frame up) or we wipe your personal plot that YOU have paid for and put so many hours into ..... they are not wiping the whole server yet but wiping YOUR PLOT , so they dont value your time , like i have 200hrs into the game , so now i go on a 2 week vacation and come back and my stuff is gone ???? but everyone else has theirs ????? not saying the argument is sound but people would be pissed and maybe steam would give you credit to your wallet idk

olepi · July 29

Games in early access like Pax Dei, or games in perpetual alpha, like Star Citizen, are in the process of being developed. They are not actual released games.

Since they are still in development, they can change the rules, wipe the servers, or make other changes as needed. People should know this when they sign up and donate money towards the development. You are not buying a game you are donating towards the development and get to play whatever they have at the time. This can change and is expected to change as the game is developed.

To me, anybody who spends money on a EA game or a game in alpha is foolish if they expect a persistent permanent game. The whole premise of EA and alpha is to get to experience the game as it is being developed and it is expected to change over time. Some people like to get in before the game goes live and I see no problem with that, unless they also expect a finished game that isn't going to get wiped or change.

It is easy to avoid this problem: simply wait for the game to officially release before buying it.

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