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NC America Appoints Former Pearl Abyss CEO Jeonghee Jin As Its New Chief Executive | MMORPG.com

SystemSystem Member UncommonPosts: 12,599
edited August 13 in News & Features Discussion

imageNC America Appoints Former Pearl Abyss CEO Jeonghee Jin As Its New Chief Executive | MMORPG.com

A week after announcing she would be leaving the studio she helped found in Pearl Abyss America, Jeonghee Jin's next adventure has been revealed, taking the role of CEO at NC America.

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  • dinogndinogn Member UncommonPosts: 52
    edited August 13
    So he left a well floating ship for an already sunken ship?
    Does NC really think he can still save T&L?
  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,485
    edited August 13

    dinogn said:

    So he left a well floating ship for an already sunken ship?

    Does NC really think he can still save T&L?



    Naw, no hope for it.... T&L will literally become 5 gankers running around the whole game making sure they chase off any new players that show up lol.
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  • GrimDogGamingGrimDogGaming Member UncommonPosts: 178

    dinogn said:

    So he left a well floating ship for an already sunken ship?

    Does NC really think he can still save T&L?



    No.

    SHE left a well floating ship for an already sunken ship.
    strawhat0981
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  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    dinogn said:
    So he left a well floating ship for an already sunken ship?
    Does NC really think he can still save T&L?
    Actually read it properly before commenting at least. 

    She! 




  • ShinyFlygonShinyFlygon Member RarePosts: 611
    Maybe she should take a long, hard look at GW2 as her role model and try to understand that the American audience isn't nearly as tolerant of manipulative free-to-play business tactics as our Asian counterparts.

    If she doesn't, she's going to find her job very difficult.
  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 4,045
    ShinyFlygon said:
    Maybe she should take a long, hard look at GW2 as her role model and try to understand that the American audience isn't nearly as tolerant of manipulative free-to-play business tactics as our Asian counterparts.

    If she doesn't, she's going to find her job very difficult.

    You mean look at GW2 and see what not to do?

    In 2023 BDO made around $200 million revenue and GW2 made around $61 million revenue.

    And early this year BDO passed $2 billion in lifetime revenue.

    I could calculate GW2s lifetime revenue but it would be a lot of work for disappointment.
    GrimDogGaming
  • ShinyFlygonShinyFlygon Member RarePosts: 611
    edited August 13
    Xiaoki said:
    Maybe she should take a long, hard look at GW2 as her role model and try to understand that the American audience isn't nearly as tolerant of manipulative free-to-play business tactics as our Asian counterparts.

    If she doesn't, she's going to find her job very difficult.

    You mean look at GW2 and see what not to do?

    In 2023 BDO made around $200 million revenue and GW2 made around $61 million revenue.

    And early this year BDO passed $2 billion in lifetime revenue.

    I could calculate GW2s lifetime revenue but it would be a lot of work for disappointment.

    Black Desert is not an NCSoft title. I'm sure she was hired because of that game's success, but I chose a game from the company she currently works for.

    Not sure what your point is, anyway. Black Desert is buy-to-play in the U.S., so it's very similar to GW2 in terms of business model for the market she is in charge of.
  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 4,045
    ShinyFlygon said:
    Xiaoki said:
    Maybe she should take a long, hard look at GW2 as her role model and try to understand that the American audience isn't nearly as tolerant of manipulative free-to-play business tactics as our Asian counterparts.

    If she doesn't, she's going to find her job very difficult.

    You mean look at GW2 and see what not to do?

    In 2023 BDO made around $200 million revenue and GW2 made around $61 million revenue.

    And early this year BDO passed $2 billion in lifetime revenue.

    I could calculate GW2s lifetime revenue but it would be a lot of work for disappointment.

    Black Desert is not an NCSoft title. I'm sure she was hired because of that game's success, but I chose a game from the company she currently works for.

    Not sure what your point is, anyway. Black Desert is buy-to-play in the U.S., so it's very similar to GW2 in terms of business model for the market she is in charge of.

    How could you possibly misinterpret my post? It's very clear.

    Most of BDOs revenue comes from the NA and EU regions, so your assertion that NA and EU gamers are not tolerant of "manipulative free to play business practices" is wrong. You are wrong.

    Perhaps with her experience from BDO she ramps up the cash shop in GW2 into high gear.

    GW2 players might say they would reject a more intrusive cash shop but put up legendary weapons and armor for sale and they would pull out their credit cards at light speed.
    GrimDogGaming
  • ShinyFlygonShinyFlygon Member RarePosts: 611
    Xiaoki said:
    ShinyFlygon said:
    Xiaoki said:
    Maybe she should take a long, hard look at GW2 as her role model and try to understand that the American audience isn't nearly as tolerant of manipulative free-to-play business tactics as our Asian counterparts.

    If she doesn't, she's going to find her job very difficult.

    You mean look at GW2 and see what not to do?

    In 2023 BDO made around $200 million revenue and GW2 made around $61 million revenue.

    And early this year BDO passed $2 billion in lifetime revenue.

    I could calculate GW2s lifetime revenue but it would be a lot of work for disappointment.

    Black Desert is not an NCSoft title. I'm sure she was hired because of that game's success, but I chose a game from the company she currently works for.

    Not sure what your point is, anyway. Black Desert is buy-to-play in the U.S., so it's very similar to GW2 in terms of business model for the market she is in charge of.

    How could you possibly misinterpret my post? It's very clear.

    Most of BDOs revenue comes from the NA and EU regions, so your assertion that NA and EU gamers are not tolerant of "manipulative free to play business practices" is wrong. You are wrong.

    Perhaps with her experience from BDO she ramps up the cash shop in GW2 into high gear.

    GW2 players might say they would reject a more intrusive cash shop but put up legendary weapons and armor for sale and they would pull out their credit cards at light speed.

    Maybe you can explain how the BDO cash shop is manipulative? As I understand it, the cash shop is mostly cosmetic, and loot boxes are not really worth opening, which is exactly how things work in GW2.

    Perhaps I have a mistaken impression of BDO -- I haven't played since the very early days.

  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,177
    I think they sell something that reduces the failure of upgrading gear. That is where money is made.
    Scot

  • ShinyFlygonShinyFlygon Member RarePosts: 611
    edited August 14
    kitarad said:
    I think they sell something that reduces the failure of upgrading gear. That is where money is made.

    Is that manipulative? Exploitable, perhaps, and definitely pay-to-win in a way, but it's not exactly gacha levels of manipulative.

    I feel I should clarify that I am not the one who brought up Black Desert, and I never intended any comparison with that game. I was actually thinking about the gacha elements in some of NCSoft's other titles, which are far nastier than anything in Black Desert.

    What's happened here is that Xiaoki likes to put words into other people's mouths and then tell them they are wrong about things they never actually said.
  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 4,045
    kitarad said:
    I think they sell something that reduces the failure of upgrading gear. That is where money is made.

    Is that manipulative? Exploitable, perhaps, and definitely pay-to-win in a way, but it's not exactly gacha levels of manipulative.

    I feel I should clarify that I am not the one who brought up Black Desert, and I never intended any comparison with that game. I was actually thinking about the gacha elements in some of NCSoft's other titles, which are far nastier than anything in Black Desert.

    What's happened here is that Xiaoki likes to put words into other people's mouths and then tell them they are wrong about things they never actually said.
    You dont even know what the BDO Cash Shop is so why are you making judgments based on it?

    How are you possibly comparing the BDO cash shop to any NCsoft cash shop when you have no idea what the Black Desert cash shop is?

    Of course, we're talking about Black Desert Online. Pearl Abyss has published 3 games so far: Black Desert Online, Black Desert Mobile, and Black Clover Mobile. And 80% of Pearl Abyss' revenue comes from Black Desert. In a topic about the former CEO of Pearl Abyss did you really think we would be discussing a mobile game based on an anime?

    I dont need to put words in your mouth to prove you're wrong, you do that yourself.

  • uriel_mafessuriel_mafess Member UncommonPosts: 258
    edited August 15

    Xiaoki said:




    kitarad said:

    I think they sell something that reduces the failure of upgrading gear. That is where money is made.



    Is that manipulative? Exploitable, perhaps, and definitely pay-to-win in a way, but it's not exactly gacha levels of manipulative.

    I feel I should clarify that I am not the one who brought up Black Desert, and I never intended any comparison with that game. I was actually thinking about the gacha elements in some of NCSoft's other titles, which are far nastier than anything in Black Desert.

    What's happened here is that Xiaoki likes to put words into other people's mouths and then tell them they are wrong about things they never actually said.


    You dont even know what the BDO Cash Shop is so why are you making judgments based on it?

    How are you possibly comparing the BDO cash shop to any NCsoft cash shop when you have no idea what the Black Desert cash shop is?

    Of course, we're talking about Black Desert Online. Pearl Abyss has published 3 games so far: Black Desert Online, Black Desert Mobile, and Black Clover Mobile. And 80% of Pearl Abyss' revenue comes from Black Desert. In a topic about the former CEO of Pearl Abyss did you really think we would be discussing a mobile game based on an anime?

    I dont need to put words in your mouth to prove you're wrong, you do that yourself.




    Dude. Guy was talking about GW2. He says that model is what NA/EU likes.

    You say BDO is doing better.

    He said he doesnt know BDOs model and asks you what type of model it has. He wants to know the model.

    You bring BDO to the conversation and then blame the poster for not knowing about BDO and you dont even give him an answer/example so he can compere his GW2 experience with BDOs as he asked you.

    His argument is that "American audience isn't nearly as tolerant of manipulative free-to-play business tactics as our Asian counterparts."

    If you want to refute it you must provide examples not just names and gaslightning.
    SovrathShinyFlygon
  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 4,045
    edited August 15

    Xiaoki said:




    kitarad said:

    I think they sell something that reduces the failure of upgrading gear. That is where money is made.



    Is that manipulative? Exploitable, perhaps, and definitely pay-to-win in a way, but it's not exactly gacha levels of manipulative.

    I feel I should clarify that I am not the one who brought up Black Desert, and I never intended any comparison with that game. I was actually thinking about the gacha elements in some of NCSoft's other titles, which are far nastier than anything in Black Desert.

    What's happened here is that Xiaoki likes to put words into other people's mouths and then tell them they are wrong about things they never actually said.


    You dont even know what the BDO Cash Shop is so why are you making judgments based on it?

    How are you possibly comparing the BDO cash shop to any NCsoft cash shop when you have no idea what the Black Desert cash shop is?

    Of course, we're talking about Black Desert Online. Pearl Abyss has published 3 games so far: Black Desert Online, Black Desert Mobile, and Black Clover Mobile. And 80% of Pearl Abyss' revenue comes from Black Desert. In a topic about the former CEO of Pearl Abyss did you really think we would be discussing a mobile game based on an anime?

    I dont need to put words in your mouth to prove you're wrong, you do that yourself.




    Dude. Guy was talking about GW2. He says that model is what NA/EU likes.

    You say BDO is doing better.

    He said he doesnt know BDOs model and asks you what type of model it has. He wants to know the model.

    You bring BDO to the conversation and then blame the poster for not knowing about BDO and you dont even give him an answer/example so he can compere his GW2 experience with BDOs as he asked you.

    His argument is that "American audience isn't nearly as tolerant of manipulative free-to-play business tactics as our Asian counterparts."

    If you want to refute it you must provide examples not just names and gaslightning.


    Pearl Abyss' financial report.

    Like I said before they made around $200 million last year, and about 80% of that was from Black Desert.

    If you go to the revenue by region section you will see that NA/EU made between 53% and 59% of Pearl Abyss' revenue.

    So, it seems that NA and EU are pretty big markets for microtransactions.

    Let's go a step further. Here's some math ((200 x .8) x .55) = 88

    The 2023 annual revenue of the NA/EU versions of Black Desert made almost as much as 150% of GW2s annual revenue for 2023. GW2 is definitely a role model for making money.


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  • ShinyFlygonShinyFlygon Member RarePosts: 611
    edited August 19
    Xiaoki said:

    Xiaoki said:




    kitarad said:

    I think they sell something that reduces the failure of upgrading gear. That is where money is made.



    Is that manipulative? Exploitable, perhaps, and definitely pay-to-win in a way, but it's not exactly gacha levels of manipulative.

    I feel I should clarify that I am not the one who brought up Black Desert, and I never intended any comparison with that game. I was actually thinking about the gacha elements in some of NCSoft's other titles, which are far nastier than anything in Black Desert.

    What's happened here is that Xiaoki likes to put words into other people's mouths and then tell them they are wrong about things they never actually said.


    You dont even know what the BDO Cash Shop is so why are you making judgments based on it?

    How are you possibly comparing the BDO cash shop to any NCsoft cash shop when you have no idea what the Black Desert cash shop is?

    Of course, we're talking about Black Desert Online. Pearl Abyss has published 3 games so far: Black Desert Online, Black Desert Mobile, and Black Clover Mobile. And 80% of Pearl Abyss' revenue comes from Black Desert. In a topic about the former CEO of Pearl Abyss did you really think we would be discussing a mobile game based on an anime?

    I dont need to put words in your mouth to prove you're wrong, you do that yourself.




    Dude. Guy was talking about GW2. He says that model is what NA/EU likes.

    You say BDO is doing better.

    He said he doesnt know BDOs model and asks you what type of model it has. He wants to know the model.

    You bring BDO to the conversation and then blame the poster for not knowing about BDO and you dont even give him an answer/example so he can compere his GW2 experience with BDOs as he asked you.

    His argument is that "American audience isn't nearly as tolerant of manipulative free-to-play business tactics as our Asian counterparts."

    If you want to refute it you must provide examples not just names and gaslightning.


    Pearl Abyss' financial report.

    Like I said before they made around $200 million last year, and about 80% of that was from Black Desert.

    If you go to the revenue by region section you will see that NA/EU made between 53% and 59% of Pearl Abyss' revenue.

    So, it seems that NA and EU are pretty big markets for microtransactions.

    Let's go a step further. Here's some math ((200 x .8) x .55) = 88

    The 2023 annual revenue of the NA/EU versions of Black Desert made almost as much as 150% of GW2s annual revenue for 2023. GW2 is definitely a role model for making money.



    None of that tells me what is manipulative about BDO's microtransactions. No one has ever said BDO wasn't doing well. More to the point, I never brought up BDO at all.

    I don't know why you keep trying to prove a thing we've never disputed. I'm starting to think you're just trolling.

    The person in this thread who is BY FAR the most wrong is you, because you're over there in the corner arguing with your own straw man and not even participating in the same conversation as the rest of us.
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