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Star Wars: Outlaws Review In Progress - The RPG Files | MMORPG.com

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edited August 26 in News & Features Discussion

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Star Wars: Outlaws is Ubisoft's latest open-world adventure, bringing players back to a galaxy far, far away. Yet, while the gameplay itself has been fun, the PC version's poor performance has overshadowed the experience every step of the way.

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  • ZenJellyZenJelly Member RarePosts: 407
    Spoiler Alert: Poorly optimized game where your choices don't actually matter is bad.
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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,839
    Choices actually for-realzies mattering is pretty rare. Even in a game like Fallout 4 you can change your mind right up until the last mission sequence. So it more like "this one choice right here matters" but everything else not really. Even choices like whether to save or kill someone doesn't materially matter because even if you save them they "go into hiding" or otherwise are removed from the story so the fact you let them live only helps your conscience. At best you'll get some thank you package and a letter from them later in the game. It's largely smoke and mirrors.

    Anyway, I'm interested and will play this at some point, but sounds like it could use a few patches before I jump in. Space Marine 2 is out in a few days and that will keep me busy for a while. I'll revisit this once that one is played out.
    ZenJelly
  • ZenJellyZenJelly Member RarePosts: 407

    Angrakhan said:

    Choices actually for-realzies mattering is pretty rare. Even in a game like Fallout 4 you can change your mind right up until the last mission sequence. So it more like "this one choice right here matters" but everything else not really. Even choices like whether to save or kill someone doesn't materially matter because even if you save them they "go into hiding" or otherwise are removed from the story so the fact you let them live only helps your conscience. At best you'll get some thank you package and a letter from them later in the game. It's largely smoke and mirrors.



    Anyway, I'm interested and will play this at some point, but sounds like it could use a few patches before I jump in. Space Marine 2 is out in a few days and that will keep me busy for a while. I'll revisit this once that one is played out.



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    I could keep going but really, you just seem lazy. There are entire games that if you make a diff choice a location straight up doesn't exist or a PC becomes an enemy which effects the end story. No wonder you're interested in this game though, modern gamer.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,423
    edited August 26

    ZenJelly said:



    Angrakhan said:


    Choices actually for-realzies mattering is pretty rare. Even in a game like Fallout 4 you can change your mind right up until the last mission sequence. So it more like "this one choice right here matters" but everything else not really. Even choices like whether to save or kill someone doesn't materially matter because even if you save them they "go into hiding" or otherwise are removed from the story so the fact you let them live only helps your conscience. At best you'll get some thank you package and a letter from them later in the game. It's largely smoke and mirrors.





    Anyway, I'm interested and will play this at some point, but sounds like it could use a few patches before I jump in. Space Marine 2 is out in a few days and that will keep me busy for a while. I'll revisit this once that one is played out.






    Disco Elysium

    Divinity

    Dishonored

    Elder Scrolls

    Witcher 3

    Stanley Parable

    ME

    New Vegas

    Tyranny

    Detroit Become Human



    I could keep going but really, you just seem lazy. There are entire games that if you make a diff choice a location straight up doesn't exist or a PC becomes an enemy which effects the end story. No wonder you're interested in this game though, modern gamer.



    He is right, choices really mattering is rare, it depends on what you mean by really mattering, that is not going to mean the same thing to all players. Like he also said there is more of a chance to do over an "incorrect" choice these days.

    Back in the day (2003) KotOR would take you down the path of light or dark force, today choices as fundamental as that are relatively rare. Most games are like Outer Worlds, reputations that hardly matter.

    Why? Because players don't like to think they have made the "wrong" choice, it can effect how good they they think the game is. If they think they made all the right choices they will think a game is better. That is obviously not true, but that is how players choices can alter their opinion of a game.

    So the poor optimization is more of a concern for me.
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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,839

    ZenJelly said:



    Angrakhan said:


    Choices actually for-realzies mattering is pretty rare. Even in a game like Fallout 4 you can change your mind right up until the last mission sequence. So it more like "this one choice right here matters" but everything else not really. Even choices like whether to save or kill someone doesn't materially matter because even if you save them they "go into hiding" or otherwise are removed from the story so the fact you let them live only helps your conscience. At best you'll get some thank you package and a letter from them later in the game. It's largely smoke and mirrors.





    Anyway, I'm interested and will play this at some point, but sounds like it could use a few patches before I jump in. Space Marine 2 is out in a few days and that will keep me busy for a while. I'll revisit this once that one is played out.






    Disco Elysium

    Divinity

    Dishonored

    Elder Scrolls

    Witcher 3

    Stanley Parable

    ME

    New Vegas

    Tyranny

    Detroit Become Human



    I could keep going but really, you just seem lazy. There are entire games that if you make a diff choice a location straight up doesn't exist or a PC becomes an enemy which effects the end story. No wonder you're interested in this game though, modern gamer.



    First of all thanks for considering me a modern gamer. I'm 51 and I've been playing games since before the Atari 2600. Glad age is just a number.

    Second of all the choice doesn't really matter if the outcome is largely the same. I mean if a whole town is now aggressive to you but you can just go to the next town and get the same goods and services did that choice really matter? If a party member leaves your party and you replace them with someone just as good or better did that really matter? That's all I'm saying. Most games that claim they have meaningful choices really just offer up the illusion of meaning choice. The games I can think where choices mattered were games like the early TES games where you could literally break your game by killing the wrong person. It would tell you that you just doomed the whole world and you could continue playing but it would be an endless hopeless experience. That matters. At the very least you're going to restore an earlier save and not do that again.

    Oh and a different closing screen and monologue. I mean really did that matter?

    I'm glad these games are so impactful to you though. Don't let me ruin your enjoyment.
    ZenJelly
  • ShankTheTankShankTheTank Associate Editor / News ManagerMMORPG.COM Staff, Member RarePosts: 232
    Still, could be worse
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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,485
    ZenJelly said:
    Spoiler Alert: Poorly optimized game where your choices don't actually matter is bad.



    I heard the game has 2 choices, one to play and one to not play. I'm gonna pick choice two for now. xD Maybe when it hits the bargin bin for $5 I'll try.


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  • Elidien_gaElidien_ga Member UncommonPosts: 408
    Choice is an illusion in all games because it truly never matters and often there is a do-over or reset, or save and try again option. I love narrative gaming and in that genre choices are more impactful than in many others, Not because of the choice itself or the option to choose but because you are invested in the stories and lives of the characters. When, in those games, you make the choice for a character to live or die and then you have to live out parts of the remaining game with that character's grief, its painful. The only games to have ever made me cry were narrative in style.
  • DhampirDhampir Member UncommonPosts: 188
    would rather play space marine 2 than this....
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060
    Dhampir said:
    would rather play space marine 2 than this....
    Well, yeah, but Space Marine 2 looks awesome.
  • GrimDogGamingGrimDogGaming Member UncommonPosts: 178
    edited August 29
    Even the game pirates are like "Nah, I'm good." when it comes to this dumpster fire. Meanwhile, Ubisoft is paying any streamer or "journalist" willing to say ANYTHING nice about the game. https://tech4gamers.com/star-wars-outlaws-vip-tour/ Hmmm...makes ya wonder.
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  • RaagnarzRaagnarz Member RarePosts: 647
    I usually buy everything star wars when it comes to games. However I refuse to ever buy an Ubisoft game against after the garbage they pulled revoking players license to play again. I'll never trust them again because you'll never know when they'll revoke your ability to play the game you paid for. They'll never get my money again, though I'll probably play it anyway though not in a way they approve of lol.
  • RaagnarzRaagnarz Member RarePosts: 647

    Kolokoftis said:


    Angrakhan said:

    Choices actually for-realzies mattering is pretty rare. Even in a game like Fallout 4 you can change your mind right up until the last mission sequence. So it more like "this one choice right here matters" but everything else not really. Even choices like whether to save or kill someone doesn't materially matter because even if you save them they "go into hiding" or otherwise are removed from the story so the fact you let them live only helps your conscience. At best you'll get some thank you package and a letter from them later in the game. It's largely smoke and mirrors.



    Anyway, I'm interested and will play this at some point, but sounds like it could use a few patches before I jump in. Space Marine 2 is out in a few days and that will keep me busy for a while. I'll revisit this once that one is played out.


    You are right for the modern games And by modern I mean 10 years old
    But for older rpgs choices did matter and could take you to a whole different outcome



    Agreed, Mass Effect for instance. Your choices REALLY mattered.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,423
    edited August 29
    GrimDogGaming said:
    Even the game pirates are like "Nah, I'm good." when it comes to this dumpster fire. Meanwhile, Ubisoft is paying any streamer or "journalist" willing to say ANYTHING nice about the game. https://tech4gamers.com/star-wars-outlaws-vip-tour/ Hmmm...makes ya wonder.
    That is truly awful, it does not prove the game is a stinker at all but the whiff of paid for journalism is there. MMORPG.com were given a copy but to me that's the norm, we can't expect people who do reviews to buy every game out there.
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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    I am more excited about the pre-cu SWG server my discord group of friends are setting up than this game by FAR!
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  • GrimDogGamingGrimDogGaming Member UncommonPosts: 178
    Oh, yeah. It's done.

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  • BluelinerBlueliner Member UncommonPosts: 185
    They took bits of other games, tossed in a bag and shook them up, painted a starwars skin on them and then hyped the game. I hate to admit i fell for it and preordered. I spent 2 hours playing and praying it would get better. it didnt.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,423
    Blueliner said:
    They took bits of other games, tossed in a bag and shook them up, painted a starwars skin on them and then hyped the game. I hate to admit i fell for it and preordered. I spent 2 hours playing and praying it would get better. it didnt.
    Scot tries to resist saying "I told you so" about pre-ordering and fails miserably.
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  • uriel_mafessuriel_mafess Member UncommonPosts: 258
    edited August 27
    Reviews are bad. And when a big developer that rains access media with ... well access to media gets this reviews means the game is really bad.

    People need to understand how scores work in reviews. Anything below 7 for a big company means the game is bad (cause they are getting 2-3 points for "free").

    This game is moving in 4-7 territory.

    Run away from it.
    GrimDogGaming
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,404
    edited August 27


    I think this is a better review. I do love Star Wars. I may buy this on discount but supporting Ubisoft makes me a little ill.
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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    edited August 27
    cheyane said:
    ...snip... supporting Ubisoft makes me a little ill.

    :D awesome this here made me chuckle! :D

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,936
    cheyane said:


    I think this is a better review. I do love Star Wars. I may buy this on discount but supporting Ubisoft makes me a little ill.
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  • KumaponKumapon Member EpicPosts: 1,605
    So a new patch just dropped today, and this patch is a complete total mess. So if you were playing this, due to early access, Ubisoft now says you have to start a new save, otherwise things will break.
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