The acting from "Galadriel" is cringe. the entire show feels like a LOTR parody.
How anyone can seriously think this is good acting or writing is beyond me, it truly makes me wonder about the human psyche and different perspectives and how we interpret things.
Rings of power isn’t great but it can be fun if one approaches the show with the idea of “inspired by.”
But unless you get a die hard Tolkien scholar with oodles of money and final say then this is about what you will get.
So, it can be done, yet we must accept mediocrity because of reasons. In other words, the show is a bad adaptation, and far from what would actually be possible to make. But it isn't because, despite having Amazon's deep pockets at their disposal (the oodles of money), the creators of the show didn't want to make a proper adaptation. Not perfect, just as best as possible (like LOTR was). But they didn't care about the original, and they wanted to make it their own, as they basically said it themselves. So this was the end result.
In short, people disliking this show are right: it's an insult to the original source, and there's no valid reason for what they've done other than activism and mediocrity, while trying to get away with that by riding on the back of the success of others. Knowing that can, in fact, take the fun away from anything.
That aside, and with all due respect, I think that some people are trying too hard to find excuses to like the show. You can see it here with many of the posts basically stating that it was a slog and it had a lot of weird or bad stuff, but they endured (key word) it because there were a couple of good things. Personally, my time is valuable enough to not want to suffer through something unfun just because "maybe" it will get better later. Either you get my interest from the beginning or soon after, or you lose me as a viewer/customer. And it seems that a lot of people agree with this sentiment, judging by how every online user score for the show is below the 5/10.
Like I said, it requires someone with a reverence for the material and money and final say.
And also, as I said, even that might not be enough. I think Peter Jackson’s movies are great despite some questionable decisions and there are people who despise them.
”In short “ these movies and shows are for the people who might appreciate them. For those who want completely faithful adaptations you’r Going to have to do them yourselves.
good luck
"In short" what we're saying is that the show is not good because the creators didn't want it to be good, and not because they couldn't make it so.
hmmm, no.
There is no person who works their butt out on a show, let alone a show like this, who doesn't want it to be good.
Actors, producers, directors, writers, make-up, wardrobe, they all work their butts off.
Them not having the same vision as others, especially others who don't really have a horse in the race other than having an opinion (which is fine) is what happens with a property like this.
Again, I think the Jackson movies are great and fun, even with some dubious decisions and there are people who think they are utter trash.
Which is fine.
However, it doesn't take away from the original material at all and no one needs to watch a show like this. You always have the books.
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Some of you just need to relax and enjoy life. I can't believe how many "fans" of IPs hate everything that is put out regarding their IP. Star Wars fans are the worst, LOTR fans aren't far behind.
Some of you just need to relax and enjoy life. I can't believe how many "fans" of IPs hate everything that is put out regarding their IP. Star Wars fans are the worst, LOTR fans aren't far behind.
I remember watching one of the latest star wars movies (which I liked though the premise of the 3rd one was a bit eye rolling) and knowing that there were people who hated them for all sorts of reasons.
Going to forums, decrying everything about them, etc.
Yet there was a young boy, probably about 9 or so who was having the best time of his life.
All I could think was "good for you!"
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@Slapshot1188 Shannara was so so bad. I did like the lead female star as an actress but it was so bad in all other ways. Its a beloved fantasy series for me and I have read almost everything Brooks has written and the tv show was a travesty in so many ways.
I liked Shannara but I never read the books, maybe that had something to do with why I did?
But think that through. They bought the rights to an IP... because it was popular and had legions of fans. Then they made a show that may have appealed to people who had never read the books but that alienated those that did.
Then why the hell spend money to buy the rights to an IP?
Just make something NEW at that point!
It's like... I'm going to buy the rights to open McDonald's in a new territory. But after buying those rights I decide that maybe the people might prefer deli sandwiches so I cut out the burgers and sell subs.
Sure, some people might like those subs... but WHY do the whole McDonald's thing if you don't actually want to have a McDonalds? Why not just make a new sub shop? Or at least get the rights from Subway or JimmyJohns or an actual sub shop?
(And yes I know that franchises can't just make their own McDonalds subs... it was for illustrative purposes only)
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Everquest Landmark you could play a female dwarf with a beard
Except the game never came out.
I have my doubts that EQ3 was ever even a consideration...I think they used it to get people to buy Landmark, which many did....The way they talked about EQ3 made me think they have nothing.
Tolkien talks at length about dwarves and as stated earlier, male and female and telling them apart was difficult. And female dwarves did have beards. But like a lot of that type of information, its in notes and appendices and letters, stuff people typically do not read.
Just like a major story from Rings of Power regarding a certain character. Tolkien never truly addresses how he and his fellow beings arrived in Middle Earth but after researching Tolkien's writings more in depth, I can see how the ROP team decided to do it they way they did. Its a stretch and I may not 100% agree but I respect their decision.
But think that through. They bought the rights to an IP... because it was popular and had legions of fans. Then they made a show that may have appealed to people who had never read the books but that alienated those that did.
Then why the hell spend money to buy the rights to an IP?
Just make something NEW at that point!
It's like... I'm going to buy the rights to open McDonald's in a new territory. But after buying those rights I decide that maybe the people might prefer deli sandwiches so I cut out the burgers and sell subs.
Sure, some people might like those subs... but WHY do the whole McDonald's thing if you don't actually want to have a McDonalds? Why not just make a new sub shop? Or at least get the rights from Subway or JimmyJohns or an actual sub shop?
(And yes I know that franchises can't just make their own McDonalds subs... it was for illustrative purposes only)
Well it happens a lot, using the brand name rather than the brand. "spiritual successors", "inspired by". This happens because you have writers, producers and directors trying to make their mark but that is mostly when you are remaking a title in the same medium. When its a first adaptation you can get producers more interested in what their audience metric wants to see, they try to bring the show to the widest audience. We see this in MMORPG's when it comes to gameplay, it is the same process.
So it makes business sense up to a point, they realise they are doing a balancing act but so often that goes wrong. You end up not appealing to the wider audience enough and alienating the fans. Of course what the metrics of a particular audience are is actually not certain at all and just goes on what has been successful in the past.
So before GoT a big budget fantasy series was questionable, it took nerve to make it as close to the books as it was. After GoT a big budget fantasy is on the cards, the metrics are poor at anticipating new show/game genre/content that will work, but the studios are nailed to the metrics.
@Slapshot1188 Shannara was so so bad. I did like the lead female star as an actress but it was so bad in all other ways. Its a beloved fantasy series for me and I have read almost everything Brooks has written and the tv show was a travesty in so many ways.
I liked Shannara but I never read the books, maybe that had something to do with why I did?
But think that through. They bought the rights to an IP... because it was popular and had legions of fans. Then they made a show that may have appealed to people who had never read the books but that alienated those that did.
Then why the hell spend money to buy the rights to an IP?
Just make something NEW at that point!
It's like... I'm going to buy the rights to open McDonald's in a new territory. But after buying those rights I decide that maybe the people might prefer deli sandwiches so I cut out the burgers and sell subs.
Sure, some people might like those subs... but WHY do the whole McDonald's thing if you don't actually want to have a McDonalds? Why not just make a new sub shop? Or at least get the rights from Subway or JimmyJohns or an actual sub shop?
(And yes I know that franchises can't just make their own McDonalds subs... it was for illustrative purposes only)
It's a bit cynical but it's because they think the IP is enough to keep the fans and they think that changing the property to make it attractive to more people won't do "that much damage."
You find this with movies where a producer or director uses the IP as a jumping off point or in theater where a director completely changes a property (when in development).
Bob Fosse did this with Pippin and of course Kubrick did this with The Shining.
Both ended up creating works that are considered great by many.
But then we have the works where the changes just didn't work well enough to elevate the material.
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That foolishness aside, I have Rings of Power up on my TV and I just scroll by it. For some reason it didn't create any characters I care about through the entirety of Season #1. I'm watching "Person of Interest" instead, and that hooked me in 2 episodes.
@Slapshot1188 Shannara was so so bad. I did like the lead female star as an actress but it was so bad in all other ways. Its a beloved fantasy series for me and I have read almost everything Brooks has written and the tv show was a travesty in so many ways.
I liked Shannara but I never read the books, maybe that had something to do with why I did?
But think that through. They bought the rights to an IP... because it was popular and had legions of fans. Then they made a show that may have appealed to people who had never read the books but that alienated those that did.
Then why the hell spend money to buy the rights to an IP?
Just make something NEW at that point!
It's like... I'm going to buy the rights to open McDonald's in a new territory. But after buying those rights I decide that maybe the people might prefer deli sandwiches so I cut out the burgers and sell subs.
Sure, some people might like those subs... but WHY do the whole McDonald's thing if you don't actually want to have a McDonalds? Why not just make a new sub shop? Or at least get the rights from Subway or JimmyJohns or an actual sub shop?
(And yes I know that franchises can't just make their own McDonalds subs... it was for illustrative purposes only)
It's a bit cynical but it's because they think the IP is enough to keep the fans and they think that changing the property to make it attractive to more people won't do "that much damage."
You find this with movies where a producer or director uses the IP as a jumping off point or in theater where a director completely changes a property (when in development).
Bob Fosse did this with Pippin and of course Kubrick did this with The Shining.
Both ended up creating works that are considered great by many.
But then we have the works where the changes just didn't work well enough to elevate the material.
I don't know enough about Pippin to comment but I think the difference with The Shining is that it WASN'T a massive bestseller prior to the movie beginning filming in 1978. I believe that I read Kubrick got an advanced copy before it was published and then wrote his own script.
Once might even say that The Movie is what ultimately drove the novel's success.
I think, while having some similarities, it's different from taking a very well known property with decades of fans like LOTRO, Shannara, Wheel of Time and then turning it into something "other".
But I have always said, at the end of the day if someone spends millions (or billions!) on an IP they bought the right to make changes. I just think it's an utter waste of resources and a waste of the IP itself. A tweak here.. or there.. sure. Need to condense it to fit in 2 hours? Sure. Need to extrapolate what was internal thought? Sure... but most of these changes have nothing do with stuff like that. Instead, it really feels like the "showrunners" think THEY can correct what they see as failings of the original IP. And it almost always ends poorly.
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That foolishness aside, I have Rings of Power up on my TV and I just scroll by it. For some reason it didn't create any characters I care about through the entirety of Season #1. I'm watching "Person of Interest" instead, and that hooked me in 2 episodes.
I have been watching The Ark, Mayor of Kingstown, Sunny, Bad Monkey and just got done binge watching Buffy and Angel.
Buffy was a fan made AI upscaled (from the dvds) to 1080p but in 4:3 format so the colors are like in the original airing and there's no 16:9 shenanigans where you see extras out of frame etc. Just got done reading Fray comics so now I can read angel after the falls/buffy season 8 to 12 comics.
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@Slapshot1188 Shannara was so so bad. I did like the lead female star as an actress but it was so bad in all other ways. Its a beloved fantasy series for me and I have read almost everything Brooks has written and the tv show was a travesty in so many ways.
I liked Shannara but I never read the books, maybe that had something to do with why I did?
But think that through. They bought the rights to an IP... because it was popular and had legions of fans. Then they made a show that may have appealed to people who had never read the books but that alienated those that did.
Then why the hell spend money to buy the rights to an IP?
Just make something NEW at that point!
It's like... I'm going to buy the rights to open McDonald's in a new territory. But after buying those rights I decide that maybe the people might prefer deli sandwiches so I cut out the burgers and sell subs.
Sure, some people might like those subs... but WHY do the whole McDonald's thing if you don't actually want to have a McDonalds? Why not just make a new sub shop? Or at least get the rights from Subway or JimmyJohns or an actual sub shop?
(And yes I know that franchises can't just make their own McDonalds subs... it was for illustrative purposes only)
Malcolm Guite's adaptations of Tolkien's work are the only ones I can completely subscribe to. Including a trip to 'Rivendell' Well worth watching and so far above all the others!
But I have always said, at the end of the day if someone spends millions (or billions!) on an IP they bought the right to make changes. I just think it's an utter waste of resources and a waste of the IP itself. A tweak here.. or there.. sure. Need to condense it to fit in 2 hours? Sure. Need to extrapolate what was internal thought? Sure... but most of these changes have nothing do with stuff like that. Instead, it really feels like the "showrunners" think THEY can correct what they see as failings of the original IP. And it almost always ends poorly.
That's pretty much it. They bought the license and were sold the license.
That second one is important because those that owned the license are fine with someone else setting their IP in "hopefully" a good way but with no real guarantee.
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But I have always said, at the end of the day if someone spends millions (or billions!) on an IP they bought the right to make changes. I just think it's an utter waste of resources and a waste of the IP itself. A tweak here.. or there.. sure. Need to condense it to fit in 2 hours? Sure. Need to extrapolate what was internal thought? Sure... but most of these changes have nothing do with stuff like that. Instead, it really feels like the "showrunners" think THEY can correct what they see as failings of the original IP. And it almost always ends poorly.
That's pretty much it. They bought the license and were sold the license.
That second one is important because those that owned the license are fine with someone else setting their IP in "hopefully" a good way but with no real guarantee.
Rings of power isn’t great but it can be fun if one approaches the show with the idea of “inspired by.”
But unless you get a die hard Tolkien scholar with oodles of money and final say then this is about what you will get.
So, it can be done, yet we must accept mediocrity because of reasons. In other words, the show is a bad adaptation, and far from what would actually be possible to make. But it isn't because, despite having Amazon's deep pockets at their disposal (the oodles of money), the creators of the show didn't want to make a proper adaptation. Not perfect, just as best as possible (like LOTR was). But they didn't care about the original, and they wanted to make it their own, as they basically said it themselves. So this was the end result.
In short, people disliking this show are right: it's an insult to the original source, and there's no valid reason for what they've done other than activism and mediocrity, while trying to get away with that by riding on the back of the success of others. Knowing that can, in fact, take the fun away from anything.
That aside, and with all due respect, I think that some people are trying too hard to find excuses to like the show. You can see it here with many of the posts basically stating that it was a slog and it had a lot of weird or bad stuff, but they endured (key word) it because there were a couple of good things. Personally, my time is valuable enough to not want to suffer through something unfun just because "maybe" it will get better later. Either you get my interest from the beginning or soon after, or you lose me as a viewer/customer. And it seems that a lot of people agree with this sentiment, judging by how every online user score for the show is below the 5/10.
Like I said, it requires someone with a reverence for the material and money and final say.
And also, as I said, even that might not be enough. I think Peter Jackson’s movies are great despite some questionable decisions and there are people who despise them.
”In short “ these movies and shows are for the people who might appreciate them. For those who want completely faithful adaptations you’r Going to have to do them yourselves.
good luck
"In short" what we're saying is that the show is not good because the creators didn't want it to be good, and not because they couldn't make it so.
hmmm, no.
There is no person who works their butt out on a show, let alone a show like this, who doesn't want it to be good.
Actors, producers, directors, writers, make-up, wardrobe, they all work their butts off.
Them not having the same vision as others, especially others who don't really have a horse in the race other than having an opinion (which is fine) is what happens with a property like this.
Again, I think the Jackson movies are great and fun, even with some dubious decisions and there are people who think they are utter trash.
Which is fine.
However, it doesn't take away from the original material at all and no one needs to watch a show like this. You always have the books.
How about you don't nitpick your quotes and reply to what's actually said in the post? At this point I'm thinking that you're doing this on bad will. Because I said that the show is bad due to it being a terrible adaptation of the original material on purpose, by the decision of the show creators. That includes the producers, directors, writers, and everyone else involved in these decisions.
I'll say again: They, these very specific people, made a bad adaptation on purpose. Even you are aware of that, by your own words, and that's what we were talking about the whole time. Not about the people working on the technical side of the show, which are actually trying their best and it shows. But they're the only ones doing it, and that doesn't change what I said about the creators of the show making it bad (as an adaptation, as you apparently want me to repeat the topic 200 times) on purpose.
"Again", Peter Jackson's LOTR didn't suffer this backlash for a reason, despite a few people disliking his adaptation. It's not even comparable, and using it to justify RoP's changes is asinine.
But whatever. I'm sure that season 2 will be "wonderful", after seeing what they've done with orcs now. Apparently they can be loving father figures, love children, etc. That despite Morgoth specifically making them EVIL and irredeemable on purpose due to how much he hated Arda (reminds me of certain someones that I keep mentioning here, in their very own words). But hey! The activists working on this think that they can change the works of someone else to their hearts content, and go so far as to changing the core of the themes that they were about (AKA the fight between good and evil, loss, etc.). But what, how did you call it? Ah, yes, it's their "vision". And we, the ones that have no horse in this race, are having "opinions" because we point out to the obvious facts. Well, excuse me for calling this a mediocre adaptation once again, which is what they're trying to sell, and which is what it actually is.
Anyway, I wonder why they didn't just work on their own IP and make it however they liked... *Looks at Concord and Dustborn* Oh... Right ?
I'm looking forward to seeing what else they'll change. It's going to be fun. It IS being fun. At least I'm giving them that, lol. But no views, sorry.
Rings of power isn’t great but it can be fun if one approaches the show with the idea of “inspired by.”
But unless you get a die hard Tolkien scholar with oodles of money and final say then this is about what you will get.
So, it can be done, yet we must accept mediocrity because of reasons. In other words, the show is a bad adaptation, and far from what would actually be possible to make. But it isn't because, despite having Amazon's deep pockets at their disposal (the oodles of money), the creators of the show didn't want to make a proper adaptation. Not perfect, just as best as possible (like LOTR was). But they didn't care about the original, and they wanted to make it their own, as they basically said it themselves. So this was the end result.
In short, people disliking this show are right: it's an insult to the original source, and there's no valid reason for what they've done other than activism and mediocrity, while trying to get away with that by riding on the back of the success of others. Knowing that can, in fact, take the fun away from anything.
That aside, and with all due respect, I think that some people are trying too hard to find excuses to like the show. You can see it here with many of the posts basically stating that it was a slog and it had a lot of weird or bad stuff, but they endured (key word) it because there were a couple of good things. Personally, my time is valuable enough to not want to suffer through something unfun just because "maybe" it will get better later. Either you get my interest from the beginning or soon after, or you lose me as a viewer/customer. And it seems that a lot of people agree with this sentiment, judging by how every online user score for the show is below the 5/10.
Like I said, it requires someone with a reverence for the material and money and final say.
And also, as I said, even that might not be enough. I think Peter Jackson’s movies are great despite some questionable decisions and there are people who despise them.
”In short “ these movies and shows are for the people who might appreciate them. For those who want completely faithful adaptations you’r Going to have to do them yourselves.
good luck
"In short" what we're saying is that the show is not good because the creators didn't want it to be good, and not because they couldn't make it so.
hmmm, no.
There is no person who works their butt out on a show, let alone a show like this, who doesn't want it to be good.
Actors, producers, directors, writers, make-up, wardrobe, they all work their butts off.
Them not having the same vision as others, especially others who don't really have a horse in the race other than having an opinion (which is fine) is what happens with a property like this.
Again, I think the Jackson movies are great and fun, even with some dubious decisions and there are people who think they are utter trash.
Which is fine.
However, it doesn't take away from the original material at all and no one needs to watch a show like this. You always have the books.
How about you don't nitpick your quotes and reply to what's actually said in the post? At this point I'm thinking that you're doing this on bad will. Because I said that the show is bad due to it being a terrible adaptation of the original material on purpose, by the decision of the show creators. That includes the producers, directors, writers, and everyone else involved in these decisions.
I'll say again: They, these very specific people, made a bad adaptation on purpose. Even you are aware of that, by your own words, and that's what we were talking about the whole time. Not about the people working on the technical side of the show, which are actually trying their best and it shows. But they're the only ones doing it, and that doesn't change what I said about the creators of the show making it bad (as an adaptation, as you apparently want me to repeat the topic 200 times) on purpose.
"Again", Peter Jackson's LOTR didn't suffer this backlash for a reason, despite a few people disliking his adaptation. It's not even comparable, and using it to justify RoP's changes is asinine.
But whatever. I'm sure that season 2 will be "wonderful", after seeing what they've done with orcs now. Apparently they can be loving father figures, love children, etc. That despite Morgoth specifically making them EVIL and irredeemable on purpose due to how much he hated Arda (reminds me of certain someones that I keep mentioning here, in their very own words). But hey! The activists working on this think that they can change the works of someone else to their hearts content, and go so far as to changing the core of the themes that they were about (AKA the fight between good and evil, loss, etc.). But what, how did you call it? Ah, yes, it's their "vision". And we, the ones that have no horse in this race, are having "opinions" because we point out to the obvious facts. Well, excuse me for calling this a mediocre adaptation once again, which is what they're trying to sell, and which is what it actually is.
Anyway, I wonder why they didn't just work on their own IP and make it however they liked... *Looks at Concord and Dustborn* Oh... Right ?
I'm looking forward to seeing what else they'll change. It's going to be fun. It IS being fun. At least I'm giving them that, lol. But no views, sorry.
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The backlash around Jackson's LOTR movies was intense and quite a bit actually. But unlike Rings of Power, people objected to actual changes to the story and not veiled attempts to criticize it for other reasons (those issues have been outlined previously).
Some Tolkien scholars even said that they were not LOTR movies but just action fantasy movies.
And no, no company, actor, director, producer, etc... makes something bad deliberately and when they do, its evident (see Mystery Science Theater). In the case of ROP, nobody invested in the production would spend 100s of millions of dollars to make something bad. A person may not like it or it may not be what many wanted but when you look at the stats Rings of Power is a HUGE success for Amazon and outside of certain circles, very well critically received.
The backlash around Jackson's LOTR movies was intense and quite a bit actually. But unlike Rings of Power, people objected to actual changes to the story and not veiled attempts to criticize it for other reasons (those issues have been outlined previously).
Some Tolkien scholars even said that they were not LOTR movies but just action fantasy movies.
And no, no company, actor, director, producer, etc... makes something bad deliberately and when they do, it’s evident (see Mystery Science Theater). In the case of ROP, nobody invested in the production would spend 100s of millions of dollars to make something bad. A person may not like it or it may not be what many wanted but when you look at the stats Rings of Power is a HUGE success for Amazon and outside of certain circles, very well critically received.
But they don’t make things bad deliberately.
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The backlash around Jackson's LOTR movies was intense and quite a bit actually. But unlike Rings of Power, people objected to actual changes to the story and not veiled attempts to criticize it for other reasons (those issues have been outlined previously).
Some Tolkien scholars even said that they were not LOTR movies but just action fantasy movies.
And no, no company, actor, director, producer, etc... makes something bad deliberately and when they do, it’s evident (see Mystery Science Theater). In the case of ROP, nobody invested in the production would spend 100s of millions of dollars to make something bad. A person may not like it or it may not be what many wanted but when you look at the stats Rings of Power is a HUGE success for Amazon and outside of certain circles, very well critically received.
Only 37 percent of the people that started watching the show watched to the end.
It had huge promotions behind it but 2/3 people that tuned in stopped watching. That seems like somewhat less than a HUGE success…
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I tried to watch the first season and for some reason, just couldn't get into it. It was visually appealing, the acting and even the plot were good. However, for me, it just missed the spark. I think I've got to try it again and like the old Mad TV skit, go in with a mindset of 'lowered expectations'
If people like it, more power to them. I thought the first season was an average show with a massive budget.
I watched the first three episodes of Season 2 and I'm actually bowing out. There isn't a single plotline or character that I care about. Why they made a Second Age show without the rights to the Silmarillion is beyond me. I'd still find the show hollow and soulless even if I didn't have an idea on the actual lore. The plot and character development is just not there at all. The dialogue is also pretty pathetic.
The showrunners just aren't very good writers. There are just too many better things to be doing than watch a show I dislike.
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The acting from "Galadriel" is cringe. the entire show feels like a LOTR parody.
How anyone can seriously think this is good acting or writing is beyond me, it truly makes me wonder about the human psyche and different perspectives and how we interpret things.
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Then why the hell spend money to buy the rights to an IP?
Just make something NEW at that point!
It's like... I'm going to buy the rights to open McDonald's in a new territory. But after buying those rights I decide that maybe the people might prefer deli sandwiches so I cut out the burgers and sell subs.
Sure, some people might like those subs... but WHY do the whole McDonald's thing if you don't actually want to have a McDonalds? Why not just make a new sub shop? Or at least get the rights from Subway or JimmyJohns or an actual sub shop?
(And yes I know that franchises can't just make their own McDonalds subs... it was for illustrative purposes only)
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I have my doubts that EQ3 was ever even a consideration...I think they used it to get people to buy Landmark, which many did....The way they talked about EQ3 made me think they have nothing.
Just like a major story from Rings of Power regarding a certain character. Tolkien never truly addresses how he and his fellow beings arrived in Middle Earth but after researching Tolkien's writings more in depth, I can see how the ROP team decided to do it they way they did. Its a stretch and I may not 100% agree but I respect their decision.
So it makes business sense up to a point, they realise they are doing a balancing act but so often that goes wrong. You end up not appealing to the wider audience enough and alienating the fans. Of course what the metrics of a particular audience are is actually not certain at all and just goes on what has been successful in the past.
So before GoT a big budget fantasy series was questionable, it took nerve to make it as close to the books as it was. After GoT a big budget fantasy is on the cards, the metrics are poor at anticipating new show/game genre/content that will work, but the studios are nailed to the metrics.
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That foolishness aside, I have Rings of Power up on my TV and I just scroll by it. For some reason it didn't create any characters I care about through the entirety of Season #1. I'm watching "Person of Interest" instead, and that hooked me in 2 episodes.
They're the only ones that made any sense.
Once might even say that The Movie is what ultimately drove the novel's success.
I think, while having some similarities, it's different from taking a very well known property with decades of fans like LOTRO, Shannara, Wheel of Time and then turning it into something "other".
But I have always said, at the end of the day if someone spends millions (or billions!) on an IP they bought the right to make changes. I just think it's an utter waste of resources and a waste of the IP itself. A tweak here.. or there.. sure. Need to condense it to fit in 2 hours? Sure. Need to extrapolate what was internal thought? Sure... but most of these changes have nothing do with stuff like that. Instead, it really feels like the "showrunners" think THEY can correct what they see as failings of the original IP. And it almost always ends poorly.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Malcolm Guite's adaptations of Tolkien's work are the only ones I can completely subscribe to.
Including a trip to 'Rivendell'
Well worth watching and so far above all the others!
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I'll say again: They, these very specific people, made a bad adaptation on purpose. Even you are aware of that, by your own words, and that's what we were talking about the whole time. Not about the people working on the technical side of the show, which are actually trying their best and it shows. But they're the only ones doing it, and that doesn't change what I said about the creators of the show making it bad (as an adaptation, as you apparently want me to repeat the topic 200 times) on purpose.
"Again", Peter Jackson's LOTR didn't suffer this backlash for a reason, despite a few people disliking his adaptation. It's not even comparable, and using it to justify RoP's changes is asinine.
But whatever. I'm sure that season 2 will be "wonderful", after seeing what they've done with orcs now. Apparently they can be loving father figures, love children, etc. That despite Morgoth specifically making them EVIL and irredeemable on purpose due to how much he hated Arda (reminds me of certain someones that I keep mentioning here, in their very own words). But hey! The activists working on this think that they can change the works of someone else to their hearts content, and go so far as to changing the core of the themes that they were about (AKA the fight between good and evil, loss, etc.). But what, how did you call it? Ah, yes, it's their "vision". And we, the ones that have no horse in this race, are having "opinions" because we point out to the obvious facts. Well, excuse me for calling this a mediocre adaptation once again, which is what they're trying to sell, and which is what it actually is.
Anyway, I wonder why they didn't just work on their own IP and make it however they liked... *Looks at Concord and Dustborn* Oh... Right ?
I'm looking forward to seeing what else they'll change. It's going to be fun. It IS being fun. At least I'm giving them that, lol. But no views, sorry.
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Some Tolkien scholars even said that they were not LOTR movies but just action fantasy movies.
And no, no company, actor, director, producer, etc... makes something bad deliberately and when they do, its evident (see Mystery Science Theater). In the case of ROP, nobody invested in the production would spend 100s of millions of dollars to make something bad. A person may not like it or it may not be what many wanted but when you look at the stats Rings of Power is a HUGE success for Amazon and outside of certain circles, very well critically received.
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It had huge promotions behind it but 2/3 people that tuned in stopped watching. That seems like somewhat less than a HUGE success…
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I watched the first three episodes of Season 2 and I'm actually bowing out. There isn't a single plotline or character that I care about. Why they made a Second Age show without the rights to the Silmarillion is beyond me. I'd still find the show hollow and soulless even if I didn't have an idea on the actual lore. The plot and character development is just not there at all. The dialogue is also pretty pathetic.
The showrunners just aren't very good writers. There are just too many better things to be doing than watch a show I dislike.
Tolkien is rolling into his grave so fast that if you put a dynamo on it you can power the whole West Coast