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CCP Reveals Space Survival Sandbox Project Awakening's Official Title: EVE Frontier | MMORPG.com

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edited September 12 in News & Features Discussion

imageCCP Reveals Space Survival Sandbox Project Awakening's Official Title: EVE Frontier | MMORPG.com

CCP Games has revealed EVE Frontier, the official title for its single-shard sandbox previously codenamed Project Awakening, along with new details.

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  • RhimeRhime Member UncommonPosts: 302
    Crypto game...buh bye.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    This is hilarious on several levels.

    In the press release they lead with this feature and then go on to describe other gameplay.

    "You and the other players on this single shard can do things like create custom currencies, create trade markets, services, and whatever you can think of."

    The linked FAQ is more telling, with a significant portion devoted to their blockchain and crypto currencies stressing this point several times:

    "In addition, the economy of EVE Online is an open environment: all and any transactions are allowed, using in-game currency built on token standards."

    Or

    "In EVE Frontier's sandbox, you own your items and all transactions between players are permitted. CCP Games will not prohibit transactions outside of, and inside of the game."

    And much, much more.

    Theres even an interesting subliminal typo in the FAQ, perhaps portents of a dystopian future for the flagship game?

    "In addition, the economy of EVE Online is an open environment: all and any transactions are allowed, using in-game currency built on token standards."

    So maybe one day current EVE Online fans will get to "enjoy" the "benefits" of crypto trading, oh joy!


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  • mklinicmklinic Member RarePosts: 2,014
    Kyleran said:

    Theres even an interesting subliminal typo in the FAQ, perhaps portents of a dystopian future for the flagship game?

    "In addition, the economy of EVE Online is an open environment: all and any transactions are allowed, using in-game currency built on token standards."

    I'm not quite ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater on this one. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a PoC for eventual implementation in Eve Online, but there's already a "token standard" of sorts in PLEX.

    So there's already a conversion of in game currency to a gov't controlled currency. Significant losses or heists are routinely expressed in gov't currency values. I'm not sure how much is really lost by changing over to crypto aside from perhaps a new meta.

    Of course, all this is said from the comfortable vantage point as someone not currently playing, so there's that. Honestly though, I'm a bit more interested in Dust 5...err I mean Eve Vanguard. Wonder if it'll go down this route as well.

    -mklinic

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  • ominatorominator Member UncommonPosts: 36
    Can't wait to get ripped off by a scammer that is sanctioned to scam because hey, you can do whatever you like in this game including knowingly deceive and rip people off.

    No thanks.
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    edited September 12

    Rhime said:

    Crypto game...buh bye.



    Crypto game ? You read that they support all kind of transactions, including crypto, and..its a crypto game ?

    Then you can also call PLEX and Eve Online, a Cryto Game right?

    Anyway, bye!


    ominator said:

    Can't wait to get ripped off by a scammer that is sanctioned to scam because hey, you can do whatever you like in this game including knowingly deceive and rip people off.



    No thanks.



    Well , being ripped off in-games is 95% the player's fault. Aka you! Literally it happens in any online game, from WoW to FF XIV, Eve Online, etc.

    Welcome to the Online World .. where sometimes is pretty much like in real life. You get scammed in real life? Mostly your fault. Same in online ..world.
    Kyleran

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  • DattelisDattelis Member EpicPosts: 1,675
    Whatever happened to the fps?
  • mitech616mitech616 Member UncommonPosts: 133
    Not sure why people are saying this is a crypto game. It doesn't say blockchain, or that it is based on crypto, at all...
  • mklinicmklinic Member RarePosts: 2,014
    edited September 12

    mitech616 said:

    Not sure why people are saying this is a crypto game. It doesn't say blockchain, or that it is based on crypto, at all...



    Likely from their FAQ linked in the article. These are likely the most relevant regarding blockchain/crypto:


    What engine does EVE Frontier use?

    EVE Frontier is developed on the Carbon engine, which we recently committed to making open source.

    As the development of EVE Frontier continues, so will the open sourcing of Carbon; allowing players to program on top of, and within the game world with our own toolkit.


    EVE Frontier also utilizes MUD and Redstone, an L2 blockchain designed for permissionless and open software.


    Does EVE Frontier use blockchain technology?

    Yes: players can edit aspects of the game world and server in real-time; giving the community the power to add their own functionality to the game through Smart Assemblies, a feature that lets players program infrastructure they deploy into space.

    Smart Assemblies utilizes MUD, a framework for building on-chain applications: MUD | Framework and Redstone, a L2 blockchain designed for permissionless, open software: Redstone | Cost-effective chain for MUD apps, games, and worlds.

    Combined with Carbon, these tools are at the foundation of our persistent and programmable game server at universe-scale: one server, one universe, evolving through players forever.

    In addition, the economy of EVE Frontier is an open environment: all and any transactions are allowed, using in-game currency built on token standards.

    These solutions are environmentally friendly: all technology used to develop and operate EVE Frontier has the same energy consumption as EVE Online’s infrastructure.


    Will EVE Frontier have cryptocurrency?

    In EVE Frontier, you own your items and all transactions between players are permitted. CCP Games will not prohibit transactions outside of, and inside of the game.

    To support this, EVE Frontier will have a range of in-game currencies available, all of which are built on ERC-20 token standards.

    EVE Token: a utility token that can be exchanged as a means of external value.

    The EVE Token will exist in a test environment until it has undergone rigorous testing and meets our standards for game & economy design, usage, performance, security and transaction speed.

    LUX: used only for in-game transactions. For example, LUX can be used to purchase items from in-game markets, to acquire station services, used for trades between players etc.

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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,837
    IceAge said:

    Rhime said:

    Crypto game...buh bye.



    Crypto game ? You read that they support all kind of transactions, including crypto, and..its a crypto game ?

    Then you can also call PLEX and Eve Online, a Cryto Game right?

    Anyway, bye!


    ominator said:

    Can't wait to get ripped off by a scammer that is sanctioned to scam because hey, you can do whatever you like in this game including knowingly deceive and rip people off.



    No thanks.



    Well , being ripped off in-games is 95% the player's fault. Aka you! Literally it happens in any online game, from WoW to FF XIV, Eve Online, etc.

    Welcome to the Online World .. where sometimes is pretty much like in real life. You get scammed in real life? Mostly your fault. Same in online ..world.
    Sorry it's 100% the scammer's fault. If they didn't run the scam then you wouldn't get scammed. You're like the people that blame the rape victim because "they were asking for it" due to their choice of attire. Let me guess the scammer is the true victim? All society's fault?
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  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,458
    Ah, the eternal struggle between blaming the perpetrator or blaming the victim.

    How about this:

    The perpetrator morally wrong.
    The victim is naive.

    I think those terms help.
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    Meh hard pass.
    Theocritus

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • WargfootWargfoot Member EpicPosts: 1,458
    edited September 12
    I hate to be "that guy" that wants a game to go down in flames, but I fear what success would mean for the rest of the industry.

    I hope every block-chain spewing crypto-corporate zombie smokes a turd in hell.
  • ominatorominator Member UncommonPosts: 36

    IceAge said:



    Rhime said:


    Crypto game...buh bye.






    Crypto game ? You read that they support all kind of transactions, including crypto, and..its a crypto game ?



    Then you can also call PLEX and Eve Online, a Cryto Game right?



    Anyway, bye!





    ominator said:


    Can't wait to get ripped off by a scammer that is sanctioned to scam because hey, you can do whatever you like in this game including knowingly deceive and rip people off.





    No thanks.






    Well , being ripped off in-games is 95% the player's fault. Aka you! Literally it happens in any online game, from WoW to FF XIV, Eve Online, etc.



    Welcome to the Online World .. where sometimes is pretty much like in real life. You get scammed in real life? Mostly your fault. Same in online ..world.




    Yes, indeed. It's always someone's fault, so why not put the blame with the honest players?

    And what about the 5% who get scammed and it's not their fault?
    I guess they don't fit on your narrative, so let's ignore them and pretend the scammers are the good guys and everyone else is the problem.
    Kyleran
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    ominator said:

    IceAge said:



    Rhime said:


    Crypto game...buh bye.






    Crypto game ? You read that they support all kind of transactions, including crypto, and..its a crypto game ?



    Then you can also call PLEX and Eve Online, a Cryto Game right?



    Anyway, bye!





    ominator said:


    Can't wait to get ripped off by a scammer that is sanctioned to scam because hey, you can do whatever you like in this game including knowingly deceive and rip people off.





    No thanks.






    Well , being ripped off in-games is 95% the player's fault. Aka you! Literally it happens in any online game, from WoW to FF XIV, Eve Online, etc.



    Welcome to the Online World .. where sometimes is pretty much like in real life. You get scammed in real life? Mostly your fault. Same in online ..world.




    Yes, indeed. It's always someone's fault, so why not put the blame with the honest players?

    And what about the 5% who get scammed and it's not their fault?
    I guess they don't fit on your narrative, so let's ignore them and pretend the scammers are the good guys and everyone else is the problem.
    Same mentality blames developers for leaving exploits in a game but not the players who take advantage of them.


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  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    Angrakhan said:
    IceAge said:

    Rhime said:

    Crypto game...buh bye.



    Crypto game ? You read that they support all kind of transactions, including crypto, and..its a crypto game ?

    Then you can also call PLEX and Eve Online, a Cryto Game right?

    Anyway, bye!


    ominator said:

    Can't wait to get ripped off by a scammer that is sanctioned to scam because hey, you can do whatever you like in this game including knowingly deceive and rip people off.



    No thanks.



    Well , being ripped off in-games is 95% the player's fault. Aka you! Literally it happens in any online game, from WoW to FF XIV, Eve Online, etc.

    Welcome to the Online World .. where sometimes is pretty much like in real life. You get scammed in real life? Mostly your fault. Same in online ..world.
    Sorry it's 100% the scammer's fault. If they didn't run the scam then you wouldn't get scammed. You're like the people that blame the rape victim because "they were asking for it" due to their choice of attire. Let me guess the scammer is the true victim? All society's fault?
    Hey now!

    That idiocracy of a comparation vs rape is pathetic yes? 

    If a random comes to you while walking to the grocery store and he tries to sell this "amazing watch worth $1000 , but he will sell it to you for $100" and you accept, well ..that's your fault, not the scammer's fault.

    Learn to be responsible for your actions. 

    ominator said:

    IceAge said:



    Rhime said:


    Crypto game...buh bye.






    Crypto game ? You read that they support all kind of transactions, including crypto, and..its a crypto game ?



    Then you can also call PLEX and Eve Online, a Cryto Game right?



    Anyway, bye!





    ominator said:


    Can't wait to get ripped off by a scammer that is sanctioned to scam because hey, you can do whatever you like in this game including knowingly deceive and rip people off.





    No thanks.






    Well , being ripped off in-games is 95% the player's fault. Aka you! Literally it happens in any online game, from WoW to FF XIV, Eve Online, etc.



    Welcome to the Online World .. where sometimes is pretty much like in real life. You get scammed in real life? Mostly your fault. Same in online ..world.




    Yes, indeed. It's always someone's fault, so why not put the blame with the honest players?

    And what about the 5% who get scammed and it's not their fault?
    I guess they don't fit on your narrative, so let's ignore them and pretend the scammers are the good guys and everyone else is the problem.
    I mean .. sure, there is also scammer's fault, but the main fault is yours as a player, especially if you are "an elder to the online games". 

    A ..noob, first time in an online game, well .. that's understandable. 

    As I said, learn to be responsible for your own actions. 


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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,837
    Trust me I'm responsible for my own actions. However not all scams are obvious. Case in point many of these crowed funded games that put up a very convincing Kickstarter but then fail to produce a game. Chronicles of Elyria for example. Are you saying that was 100% the backers fault and we should pat Jeremy Walsh on the back for a job well done? "Good scam, Jeremy! You really suckered a lot of people out of millions of dollars. Great show!" That's literally your argument here.

    People can make convincing arguments for scams. They're not all painfully obvious like your watch example.

    "That idiocracy of a comparation vs rape is pathetic yes?"

    It's neither Idiocracy nor pathetic if it's correct. It's drawing a parallel between two crimes, rape versus fraud, and showing how you're playing the same role as the guy who thinks it's the rape victim's fault. You're just doing it in the context of fraud, which is a crime if you weren't aware. Two crimes, same issue, and you're playing the role of the douche on the sidelines blaming the victim. Does that make it more clear to you?
  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,053
    Angrakhan said:
    Trust me I'm responsible for my own actions. However not all scams are obvious. Case in point many of these crowed funded games that put up a very convincing Kickstarter but then fail to produce a game. Chronicles of Elyria for example. Are you saying that was 100% the backers fault and we should pat Jeremy Walsh on the back for a job well done? "Good scam, Jeremy! You really suckered a lot of people out of millions of dollars. Great show!" That's literally your argument here.

    People can make convincing arguments for scams. They're not all painfully obvious like your watch example.

    "That idiocracy of a comparation vs rape is pathetic yes?"

    It's neither Idiocracy nor pathetic if it's correct. It's drawing a parallel between two crimes, rape versus fraud, and showing how you're playing the same role as the guy who thinks it's the rape victim's fault. You're just doing it in the context of fraud, which is a crime if you weren't aware. Two crimes, same issue, and you're playing the role of the douche on the sidelines blaming the victim. Does that make it more clear to you?
    The big difference  between being raped and being scammed is that the person being scammed gave their permission. They decided to do it, unlike the rape victim who has no say or choice in the matter.

    Any time anybody wants something from you, they are liable to be lying to get it. Used car salesmen, politicians, and game developers all want your money. They all will lie to get it.

    A simple example: in craps (dice gambling game) you can bet on the Big 6 or on the place 6. In both cases you bet the 6 comes up before the 7, the 7 will lose the bet and a 6 will win it. The Big 6 pays even money, so a bet of $6 will win you $6, while a bet on the place 6 will pay $7 on a $6 bet. 

    Obviously, the Big 6 is a worse bet than the place 6, but it is displayed in a prominent way on the craps table, while the place 6 is not. Whose fault is it if you bet on the Big 6?
    IceAge

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  • RhimeRhime Member UncommonPosts: 302

    IceAge said:



    Rhime said:


    Crypto game...buh bye.






    Crypto game ? You read that they support all kind of transactions, including crypto, and..its a crypto game ?



    Then you can also call PLEX and Eve Online, a Cryto Game right?



    Anyway, bye!





    ominator said:


    Can't wait to get ripped off by a scammer that is sanctioned to scam because hey, you can do whatever you like in this game including knowingly deceive and rip people off.





    No thanks.






    Well , being ripped off in-games is 95% the player's fault. Aka you! Literally it happens in any online game, from WoW to FF XIV, Eve Online, etc.



    Welcome to the Online World .. where sometimes is pretty much like in real life. You get scammed in real life? Mostly your fault. Same in online ..world.



    NO...
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    Angrakhan said:
    Trust me I'm responsible for my own actions. However not all scams are obvious. Case in point many of these crowed funded games that put up a very convincing Kickstarter but then fail to produce a game. Chronicles of Elyria for example. Are you saying that was 100% the backers fault and we should pat Jeremy Walsh on the back for a job well done? "Good scam, Jeremy! You really suckered a lot of people out of millions of dollars. Great show!" That's literally your argument here.

    People can make convincing arguments for scams. They're not all painfully obvious like your watch example.

    "That idiocracy of a comparation vs rape is pathetic yes?"

    It's neither Idiocracy nor pathetic if it's correct. It's drawing a parallel between two crimes, rape versus fraud, and showing how you're playing the same role as the guy who thinks it's the rape victim's fault. You're just doing it in the context of fraud, which is a crime if you weren't aware. Two crimes, same issue, and you're playing the role of the douche on the sidelines blaming the victim. Does that make it more clear to you?
    No! I didn't say a scammer is 'forgiven' of all the harm he does. All I'm saying is that if he scams you, then mainly, that's your fault, but it doesn't mean he's not to be convicted, or something.

    And yet, here you are, again, with that stupid comparation. 

    I was close to swear at you because it seems you are ..slow in understanding obvious things, until I saw this : 

    olepi said:
    Angrakhan said:
    Trust me I'm responsible for my own actions. However not all scams are obvious. Case in point many of these crowed funded games that put up a very convincing Kickstarter but then fail to produce a game. Chronicles of Elyria for example. Are you saying that was 100% the backers fault and we should pat Jeremy Walsh on the back for a job well done? "Good scam, Jeremy! You really suckered a lot of people out of millions of dollars. Great show!" That's literally your argument here.

    People can make convincing arguments for scams. They're not all painfully obvious like your watch example.

    "That idiocracy of a comparation vs rape is pathetic yes?"

    It's neither Idiocracy nor pathetic if it's correct. It's drawing a parallel between two crimes, rape versus fraud, and showing how you're playing the same role as the guy who thinks it's the rape victim's fault. You're just doing it in the context of fraud, which is a crime if you weren't aware. Two crimes, same issue, and you're playing the role of the douche on the sidelines blaming the victim. Does that make it more clear to you?
    The big difference  between being raped and being scammed is that the person being scammed gave their permission. They decided to do it, unlike the rape victim who has no say or choice in the matter.


    ..and now I hope you will stop with this shit comparation, ok "buddy" ? 

    Anyway! Based on your attitude, I bet you got yourself scammed few/several times in the past right?. Its fine, its your fault.

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,423
    Keep Calm And Carry On Posting!
  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,053
    IceAge said:
    olepi said:
    Angrakhan said:
    Trust me I'm responsible for my own actions. However not all scams are obvious. Case in point many of these crowed funded games that put up a very convincing Kickstarter but then fail to produce a game. Chronicles of Elyria for example. Are you saying that was 100% the backers fault and we should pat Jeremy Walsh on the back for a job well done? "Good scam, Jeremy! You really suckered a lot of people out of millions of dollars. Great show!" That's literally your argument here.

    People can make convincing arguments for scams. They're not all painfully obvious like your watch example.

    "That idiocracy of a comparation vs rape is pathetic yes?"

    It's neither Idiocracy nor pathetic if it's correct. It's drawing a parallel between two crimes, rape versus fraud, and showing how you're playing the same role as the guy who thinks it's the rape victim's fault. You're just doing it in the context of fraud, which is a crime if you weren't aware. Two crimes, same issue, and you're playing the role of the douche on the sidelines blaming the victim. Does that make it more clear to you?
    The big difference  between being raped and being scammed is that the person being scammed gave their permission. They decided to do it, unlike the rape victim who has no say or choice in the matter.


    ..and now I hope you will stop with this shit comparation, ok "buddy" ? 

    Anyway! Based on your attitude, I bet you got yourself scammed few/several times in the past right?. Its fine, its your fault.


    I didn't make the comparison, I don't think it is valid as I posted before.

    If you are scammed, it is your fault. You made the choice to be scammed. If you pay for something that doesn't exist yet, it is your fault if it doesn't come true. Unless you have a written contract or guarantee. 

    In legal terms, any verbiage making claims is called "puffing" (The practice of making exaggerated commendations, especially for promotional purposes). 

    Buying something before it exists is a gamble, and the more informed you are about the gamble the better your chances are of not being scammed. If you pay for something that does exist, and you accept what they tell you about it without checking it yourself, it is your fault for being scammed.


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  • mklinicmklinic Member RarePosts: 2,014
    Can't we all just go back to complaining about block chain/crypto like the good ol' days?
    olepi

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    Do something wrong, no one forgets"
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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,053
    mklinic said:
    Can't we all just go back to complaining about block chain/crypto like the good ol' days?
    This reminds me of the immortal Monty Python skit.

    Man walks into the office, and says "I'm here for an argument." The man at the desk looks up and says "No you're not." :)

    I have no real problem with blockchain or crypto so long as the game is good, I'll play it anyway. If someone thinks they are going to make money, prepare to be scammed.

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  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    olepi said:
    IceAge said:
    olepi said:
    Angrakhan said:
    Trust me I'm responsible for my own actions. However not all scams are obvious. Case in point many of these crowed funded games that put up a very convincing Kickstarter but then fail to produce a game. Chronicles of Elyria for example. Are you saying that was 100% the backers fault and we should pat Jeremy Walsh on the back for a job well done? "Good scam, Jeremy! You really suckered a lot of people out of millions of dollars. Great show!" That's literally your argument here.

    People can make convincing arguments for scams. They're not all painfully obvious like your watch example.

    "That idiocracy of a comparation vs rape is pathetic yes?"

    It's neither Idiocracy nor pathetic if it's correct. It's drawing a parallel between two crimes, rape versus fraud, and showing how you're playing the same role as the guy who thinks it's the rape victim's fault. You're just doing it in the context of fraud, which is a crime if you weren't aware. Two crimes, same issue, and you're playing the role of the douche on the sidelines blaming the victim. Does that make it more clear to you?
    The big difference  between being raped and being scammed is that the person being scammed gave their permission. They decided to do it, unlike the rape victim who has no say or choice in the matter.


    ..and now I hope you will stop with this shit comparation, ok "buddy" ? 

    Anyway! Based on your attitude, I bet you got yourself scammed few/several times in the past right?. Its fine, its your fault.


    I didn't make the comparison, I don't think it is valid as I posted before.

    If you are scammed, it is your fault. You made the choice to be scammed. If you pay for something that doesn't exist yet, it is your fault if it doesn't come true. Unless you have a written contract or guarantee. 

    In legal terms, any verbiage making claims is called "puffing" (The practice of making exaggerated commendations, especially for promotional purposes). 

    Buying something before it exists is a gamble, and the more informed you are about the gamble the better your chances are of not being scammed. If you pay for something that does exist, and you accept what they tell you about it without checking it yourself, it is your fault for being scammed.


    You miss-understood me! :) 

    I gave what you said as a positive thing to the other guy, not the other way around. I am on your side! The other one keeps making that comparation : scammed vs rape , seeing it as the same thing /facepalm 

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  • mklinicmklinic Member RarePosts: 2,014
    olepi said:
    mklinic said:
    Can't we all just go back to complaining about block chain/crypto like the good ol' days?
    This reminds me of the immortal Monty Python skit.

    Man walks into the office, and says "I'm here for an argument." The man at the desk looks up and says "No you're not." :)

    That's not an argument. That's a contradiction!

    -mklinic

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    Do something wrong, no one forgets"
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