Overall impressions are that the game is currently strictly worse than PoE1. So it seems to me that competitors are *currently* safe. Or as safe as they were before at any rate.
Now that I have tried it I can only say the control scheme makes the game unenjoyable.
1. WASD is clunky af, not so much the movement but the fact that you also have to use other keys all the time .. flasks, other skills; it is just not possible bind them all to your mouse buttons.
2. Since the game is completely designed for the WASD control scheme (everything in the game is designed around moving while using skills), using click to move feels wrong and also currently makes you move unpredictably.
3. Tried controller, but that is its own set of problems like autoaiming the wrong targets, not being able to place ground effects, etc .. also once selecting controller you can no longer use mouse and keyboard which is kinda mandatory for item management (of which there will be a lot).
The problem is since they completely locked themselves into the WASD design, I seriously doubt it can be "fixed" with updates.
So all in all, maybe the game is ok, but the control scheme COMPLETELY ruins it.
30$ wasted, but owell it was a gamble and I knew it; just ... if you tried similar games like V Rising and you disliked the control scheme there, this is the same just much worse - So at least I would wait till you can try it for free.
The reason why WASD locks you in is that it is an objectively superior control scheme. Anyone who picks click to move is at a mechanical disadvantage.
Overall impressions are that the game is currently strictly worse than PoE1. So it seems to me that competitors are *currently* safe. Or as safe as they were before at any rate.
The other games are safe regardless. PoE 2 will be another of many options that will be suited to some but not others who will instead play what they favour. The fans of the first game aren't even fully behind the early access of the new one.
Yes, all the memes of PoE2 posing over the grave of D4 were both premature and uninformed wishful thinking. D4 will still have its core fanbase. I personally will be playing PoE2 because I think mechanically it has the most sophisticated combat in an ARPG to date. The only game I can think of that's on par is The Ascent which is a twin stick cyberpunk ARPG which adds a cover system. Fun game, but it's light on content and replayability, so it would never compete with PoE or Diablo. In addition to the gameplay GGG addressed basically all of my gripes about PoE1, so for me to not support it would be nonsensical and hypocritical. I try not to be either.
A few of the reasons I like what I see in PoE2:
they added actual classes instead of the classless (but still used class names) model of PoE1 which left the classes feeling devoid of personality. Why call it a witch when you can build a plate wearing 2h melee build with it?
They solved the skill gem issue where your skills were drops. Yes you need to find gems still, but they are 'uncut' and you turn them into what you need. This gets rid of the drop rate issue on certain skills forcing you into the player economy just to get your basic build working. At worst you will have to go buy an uncut skill gem of level X to get the skill you want, but the gems seem to have a high enough drop rate that won't be necessary.
They actually added gold to the game. Hallelujah! They actually did it. I thought they'd actually stick to their guns and keep us with the PoE economy based around all those orbs. The orbs are still there, but I don't need them to buy basic crap off vendors anymore. I don't know if the player economy will shift to gold or still trade in orbs, but whatever. I just found it obnoxious to have to find the right orbs just to buy some low level upgrade sitting in the vendor's inventory.
The hooded guy ID's all your items in town FOR FREE! Yay! I don't have to farm currency just to ID the trash in my inventory to vendor it for full price. Nothing like paying to ID an item that then sells for less than the price for the ID to make you want to throw your mouse at the screen.
twin stick controls for me are
All those stash tabs I bought in PoE1 came right over! I seriously didn't expect that, but here we are.
I'm sure there's folks who hate the game for all the reasons I love it. That's totally fine! It's why we can have multiple games in the same genre and have them all be successful. I'm sure I'll play Titan Quest 2 when it comes out as well.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Overall impressions are that the game is currently strictly worse than PoE1. So it seems to me that competitors are *currently* safe. Or as safe as they were before at any rate.
The other games are safe regardless.
As a Last Epoch guy first and foremost, I approve of this message.
I'm sure there's folks who hate the game for all the reasons I love it. That's totally fine! It's why we can have multiple games in the same genre and have them all be successful. I'm sure I'll play Titan Quest 2 when it comes out as well.
Exactly so, to each their own. The greater the variety the easier it will be for players to find the game that best suits them.
Overall impressions are that the game is currently strictly worse than PoE1. So it seems to me that competitors are *currently* safe. Or as safe as they were before at any rate.
The other games are safe regardless.
As a Last Epoch guy first and foremost, I approve of this message.
I've been playing that a bit of that lately and it seems it will be decent, and Grim Dawn as well. PoE 2 seems to be WASD reliant so I probably won't get it.
Brighter Shores got what, an 8 while POE2 gets a 9.
Yet...from what I've read there might be a night vs day difference in terms of content / quality / completeness between these two titles.
Which is why the scoring system is basically worthless with regards to early access games.
I don't like the scoring system for any game, early access or full release. PoE2 and Brighter Shores are two completely different games scored by two different people. Trying to compare the two scores is just an exercise in frustration.
No matter how hard you try, some amount of subjectivity will creep into a review. I have always suggested that you find reviewers that match your tastes and use them as a general guide.
Brighter Shores got what, an 8 while POE2 gets a 9.
Yet...from what I've read there might be a night vs day difference in terms of content / quality / completeness between these two titles.
Which is why the scoring system is basically worthless with regards to early access games.
I don't like the scoring system for any game, early access or full release. PoE2 and Brighter Shores are two completely different games scored by two different people. Trying to compare the two scores is just an exercise in frustration.
No matter how hard you try, some amount of subjectivity will creep into a review. I have always suggested that you find reviewers that match your tastes and use them as a general guide.
The problem is that we now have to find reviewers who match our own take on how likely an early access that gets score X will really be a proper launch that gets the same score. The proof of what I am saying is are the old reviewers people used still going to be as reliable going forward? I don't think they will and that's not going to be their fault, EA has landed us with a gordian knot.
Lots of d4 copium up in here. Poe 2 has actually managed to exceed my expectations of the game. The boss fight are amazing. The world is second to none. We are running through aqueducts, fighting on castles. The activations in the real world make sense, elevators, flow controls, etc. The quests are meaningful and drive the main story. Each area has its own art, monsters, and is rich with artifacts and interactables. We drain a city, go through time and the game feels dark, gory and makes you want to delve deeper.
The music is amazing. The action is constant.
The base game and mechanics are over the top. And this game isn't finished.
The flaws I see is the gem upgrade system, the old way was better. The tutorials for game mechanics are non existent. I don't play arps with wasd movement or a controller because dumb, but I hear noobs have issues. The difficulty ramp up is slightly off. The only one support gem type at a time needs to be removed.
I will close by saying this is the best arpg experience I have had since d2 and Poe. I am addicted to an arpg again and will probably neglect my family and chores.
Lots of d4 copium up in here. Poe 2 has actually managed to exceed my expectations of the game. The boss fight are amazing. The world is second to none. We are running through aqueducts, fighting on castles. The activations in the real world make sense, elevators, flow controls, etc. The quests are meaningful and drive the main story. Each area has its own art, monsters, and is rich with artifacts and interactables. We drain a city, go through time and the game feels dark, gory and makes you want to delve deeper.
The music is amazing. The action is constant.
The base game and mechanics are over the top. And this game isn't finished.
The flaws I see is the gem upgrade system, the old way was better. The tutorials for game mechanics are non existent. I don't play arps with wasd movement or a controller because dumb, but I hear noobs have issues. The difficulty ramp up is slightly off. The only one support gem type at a time needs to be removed.
I will close by saying this is the best arpg experience I have had since d2 and Poe. I am addicted to an arpg again and will probably neglect my family and chores.
What in D4 is there to cope about? Loot Reborn fixed the main issues it did have. Since then it's been fine. It's more a matter of personal preference than anything else as to which ARPG is best suited to one's needs, if one even feels the need to exclusively play only one for whatever reason.
Lots of d4 copium up in here. Poe 2 has actually managed to exceed my expectations of the game. The boss fight are amazing. The world is second to none. We are running through aqueducts, fighting on castles. The activations in the real world make sense, elevators, flow controls, etc. The quests are meaningful and drive the main story. Each area has its own art, monsters, and is rich with artifacts and interactables. We drain a city, go through time and the game feels dark, gory and makes you want to delve deeper.
The music is amazing. The action is constant.
The base game and mechanics are over the top. And this game isn't finished.
The flaws I see is the gem upgrade system, the old way was better. The tutorials for game mechanics are non existent. I don't play arps with wasd movement or a controller because dumb, but I hear noobs have issues. The difficulty ramp up is slightly off. The only one support gem type at a time needs to be removed.
I will close by saying this is the best arpg experience I have had since d2 and Poe. I am addicted to an arpg again and will probably neglect my family and chores.
What in D4 is there to cope about? Loot Reborn fixed the main issues it did have. Since then it's been fine. It's more a matter of personal preference than anything else as to which ARPG is best suited to one's needs, if one even feels the need to exclusively play only one for whatever reason.
Agreed. I like D4 a lot, but the lean into more "MMO" and raid style content isn't for me at all. My personal top preferences are Warhammer 40K: Inquisitor and Grim Dawn. Their ARPG style appeals to me a lot and any multiplayer is completely optional. I still like D4 and D3 a lot though, even if those are my favorites.
I agree with the review on all counts, especially the more deliberate combat. It's a huge breath of fresh air to play an ARPG that's not so focused on speed, or on creating a build that basically plays itself.
I would normally never advocate buying any Early Access title, but a friend talked me into this one, and I have no regrets whatsoever. Whining about launch day problems is such a ridiculous, peevish thing to do. It was up and running perfectly within a few hours, and I think they did a great job overall. Yes, there's the occasional crash bug, but as mentioned in the review, these don't even get you killed now.
I happily use a controller, so I can't speak to die-hard mouse people, but other than that, I think you'll get more bang for your 30 bucks here than for twice the price for most AAA games.
Lots of d4 copium up in here. Poe 2 has actually managed to exceed my expectations of the game. The boss fight are amazing. The world is second to none. We are running through aqueducts, fighting on castles. The activations in the real world make sense, elevators, flow controls, etc. The quests are meaningful and drive the main story. Each area has its own art, monsters, and is rich with artifacts and interactables. We drain a city, go through time and the game feels dark, gory and makes you want to delve deeper.
The music is amazing. The action is constant.
The base game and mechanics are over the top. And this game isn't finished.
The flaws I see is the gem upgrade system, the old way was better. The tutorials for game mechanics are non existent. I don't play arps with wasd movement or a controller because dumb, but I hear noobs have issues. The difficulty ramp up is slightly off. The only one support gem type at a time needs to be removed.
I will close by saying this is the best arpg experience I have had since d2 and Poe. I am addicted to an arpg again and will probably neglect my family and chores.
What in D4 is there to cope about? Loot Reborn fixed the main issues it did have. Since then it's been fine. It's more a matter of personal preference than anything else as to which ARPG is best suited to one's needs, if one even feels the need to exclusively play only one for whatever reason.
Agreed. I like D4 a lot, but the lean into more "MMO" and raid style content isn't for me at all. My personal top preferences are Warhammer 40K: Inquisitor and Grim Dawn. Their ARPG style appeals to me a lot and any multiplayer is completely optional. I still like D4 and D3 a lot though, even if those are my favorites.
Grim Dawn is excellent, and while I have Inquisitor I haven't played it enough to have an opinion but so far it seems quite good. It is one of my favourite genres as well.
The MMO aspects of D4 are pretty trivial, so I don't know why they bothered. It may have been to gauge interest in a future Diablo MMORPG but who can say.
Backed the 1st, sorry I did and won't get me for a 2nd. They are greedy and the owner is a tool. Wouldn't play it if it was the best arpg out.
The game is free. I don't get what you are saying. And the original owner is no longer the owner. So, I give you a WTF.
PoE was only free if you wished to perpetually deal with the limited default inventory of a game that was particularly inventory demanding. That said, the price of adequate inventory space isn't extreme and once bought you're all set making the game an excellent deal. That purchased inventory is available in both PoE games makes that value even greater. There isn't much room for critique of their monetization, that's for sure.
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The reason why WASD locks you in is that it is an objectively superior control scheme. Anyone who picks click to move is at a mechanical disadvantage.
The camera is properly zoomed out in POE2.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
The other games are safe regardless. PoE 2 will be another of many options that will be suited to some but not others who will instead play what they favour. The fans of the first game aren't even fully behind the early access of the new one.
A few of the reasons I like what I see in PoE2:
- they added actual classes instead of the classless (but still used class names) model of PoE1 which left the classes feeling devoid of personality. Why call it a witch when you can build a plate wearing 2h melee build with it?
- They solved the skill gem issue where your skills were drops. Yes you need to find gems still, but they are 'uncut' and you turn them into what you need. This gets rid of the drop rate issue on certain skills forcing you into the player economy just to get your basic build working. At worst you will have to go buy an uncut skill gem of level X to get the skill you want, but the gems seem to have a high enough drop rate that won't be necessary.
- They actually added gold to the game. Hallelujah! They actually did it. I thought they'd actually stick to their guns and keep us with the PoE economy based around all those orbs. The orbs are still there, but I don't need them to buy basic crap off vendors anymore. I don't know if the player economy will shift to gold or still trade in orbs, but whatever. I just found it obnoxious to have to find the right orbs just to buy some low level upgrade sitting in the vendor's inventory.
- The hooded guy ID's all your items in town FOR FREE! Yay! I don't have to farm currency just to ID the trash in my inventory to vendor it for full price. Nothing like paying to ID an item that then sells for less than the price for the ID to make you want to throw your mouse at the screen.
- twin stick controls for me are
- All those stash tabs I bought in PoE1 came right over! I seriously didn't expect that, but here we are.
I'm sure there's folks who hate the game for all the reasons I love it. That's totally fine! It's why we can have multiple games in the same genre and have them all be successful. I'm sure I'll play Titan Quest 2 when it comes out as well."True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I've been playing that a bit of that lately and it seems it will be decent, and Grim Dawn as well. PoE 2 seems to be WASD reliant so I probably won't get it.
No matter how hard you try, some amount of subjectivity will creep into a review. I have always suggested that you find reviewers that match your tastes and use them as a general guide.
The music is amazing. The action is constant.
The base game and mechanics are over the top. And this game isn't finished.
The flaws I see is the gem upgrade system, the old way was better. The tutorials for game mechanics are non existent. I don't play arps with wasd movement or a controller because dumb, but I hear noobs have issues. The difficulty ramp up is slightly off. The only one support gem type at a time needs to be removed.
I will close by saying this is the best arpg experience I have had since d2 and Poe. I am addicted to an arpg again and will probably neglect my family and chores.
What in D4 is there to cope about? Loot Reborn fixed the main issues it did have. Since then it's been fine. It's more a matter of personal preference than anything else as to which ARPG is best suited to one's needs, if one even feels the need to exclusively play only one for whatever reason.
Agreed. I like D4 a lot, but the lean into more "MMO" and raid style content isn't for me at all. My personal top preferences are Warhammer 40K: Inquisitor and Grim Dawn. Their ARPG style appeals to me a lot and any multiplayer is completely optional. I still like D4 and D3 a lot though, even if those are my favorites.
I would normally never advocate buying any Early Access title, but a friend talked me into this one, and I have no regrets whatsoever. Whining about launch day problems is such a ridiculous, peevish thing to do. It was up and running perfectly within a few hours, and I think they did a great job overall. Yes, there's the occasional crash bug, but as mentioned in the review, these don't even get you killed now.
I happily use a controller, so I can't speak to die-hard mouse people, but other than that, I think you'll get more bang for your 30 bucks here than for twice the price for most AAA games.
Grim Dawn is excellent, and while I have Inquisitor I haven't played it enough to have an opinion but so far it seems quite good. It is one of my favourite genres as well.
The MMO aspects of D4 are pretty trivial, so I don't know why they bothered. It may have been to gauge interest in a future Diablo MMORPG but who can say.