Elder Scrolls Online Team Zenimax Online Studios Unionizes With 461 Founding Members Under Microsoft

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• hovsep159 Member UncommonPosts: 87

  December 15 edited December 15

  i'd unionize too if i had to work with this terrible combat and easy overland content
• wyrren Newbie CommonPosts: 9

  December 15

  Hey! We want to make same terrible content, not give a single shit about the game or our community and get paid for it. Answer? Union!

  
• mitech616 Member UncommonPosts: 133

  December 16

  I don't know why you guys slammed them, or are insulting the game. LOTS of people really enjoy the game, the story content, and continue playing it. And if you think unionizing is a problem, why don't you try working in a professional career where you could be fired without cause at any point (and many of your peers ARE), because the company only made $10 million profit instead of $15 million.
  
  Did you know that unions are THE REASON all our work benefits exist in the first place? Standard work weeks, paid holidays, overtime, BREAKS... all that stuff you take for granted is because unions paved the way. People in America (yes, I'm American) seem to think they'll all be rich "some day", so they trash the very working class they belong to.
  
  ESO is a good game, and the staff deserve to be treated with respect for their hard work, just like EVERYONE ELSE.

  
• ACommonMugger Member RarePosts: 563

  December 16

  
  

  wyrren said:

  
  

  Hey! We want to make same terrible content, not give a single shit about the game or our community and get paid for it. Answer? Union!

  
  

  
  
  Brain-dead take. New user. Probably just a troll.
• hovsep159 Member UncommonPosts: 87

  December 16 edited December 16

  
  

  mitech616 said:

  
  

  I don't know why you guys slammed them, or are insulting the game. LOTS of people really enjoy the game, the story content, and continue playing it. And if you think unionizing is a problem, why don't you try working in a professional career where you could be fired without cause at any point (and many of your peers ARE), because the company only made $10 million profit instead of $15 million.
  
  
  
  Did you know that unions are THE REASON all our work benefits exist in the first place? Standard work weeks, paid holidays, overtime, BREAKS... all that stuff you take for granted is because unions paved the way. People in America (yes, I'm American) seem to think they'll all be rich "some day", so they trash the very working class they belong to.
  
  
  
  ESO is a good game, and the staff deserve to be treated with respect for their hard work, just like EVERYONE ELSE.

  
  

  
  
  "ESO is a good game" until you wake up, why should i give respect to people who just keep recycling shit and can't make a expansion that has higher reviews than mixed for multiple year now. and then expects us to pay for it

  
• uriel_mafess Member UncommonPosts: 258

  December 16

  Ok so ESO is finished. Not that the game wasn't already completely stagnant for the last 5 years but this settles it.

  
• Germzypie Member UncommonPosts: 177

  December 16

  You do realize that not all of those 461 folks are responsible for game direction/decisions.  Some are just told to "make a hammer", so they made you a damn hammer.
  

  
• wyrren Newbie CommonPosts: 9

  December 16

  ACommonMugger said:

  
  

  wyrren said:

  
  

  Hey! We want to make same terrible content, not give a single shit about the game or our community and get paid for it. Answer? Union!

  
  

  
  
  Brain-dead take. New user. Probably just a troll.

  Or someone who played through the entire game only to finally notice the utter lack of passion. Creativity or effort.  The game offers nothing outside of brain dead content designed for the lowest common denominator. Your weekly activities revolve around doing the same raids and dungeons you did seven years ago.
  
  If you dont see this, your rose tinted goggles will come off soon enough
• mitech616 Member UncommonPosts: 133

  December 16

  
  

  wyrren said:

  
  

  
  

  ACommonMugger said:

  
  

  
  
  

  wyrren said:

  
  
  

  Hey! We want to make same terrible content, not give a single shit about the game or our community and get paid for it. Answer? Union!

  
  
  

  
  
  
  
  Brain-dead take. New user. Probably just a troll.

  
  

  
  Or someone who played through the entire game only to finally notice the utter lack of passion. Creativity or effort.  The game offers nothing outside of brain dead content designed for the lowest common denominator. Your weekly activities revolve around doing the same raids and dungeons you did seven years ago.
  
  If you dont see this, your rose tinted goggles will come off soon enough

  
  

  
  
  Your "opinion" is duly noted. It's ignorant, rude, unintelligent, and groundless, but it's your opinion, so yeah.
  
  If you rabid haters think you can do better, go for it.

  
• Sovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,931

  December 16 edited December 16

  wyrren said:

  
  

  Or someone who played through the entire game only to finally notice the utter lack of passion. Creativity or effort.  The game offers nothing outside of brain dead content designed for the lowest common denominator. Your weekly activities revolve around doing the same raids and dungeons you did seven years ago.
  
  If you dont see this, your rose tinted goggles will come off soon enough

  I can’t speak to all the people who worked on the project but I met some of the developers and they seemed to have passion a plenty.
  
  The developers don’t have carte blanche to do whatever they want, there are other considerations.
  
  I have plenty of criticisms for the game but I do think they’ve done a decent job given what they were probably mandated to build.
  
  
  

  

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• Quizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499

  December 16

  mitech616 said:

  Did you know that unions are THE REASON all our work benefits exist in the first place? Standard work weeks, paid holidays, overtime, BREAKS... all that stuff you take for granted is because unions paved the way. People in America (yes, I'm American) seem to think they'll all be rich "some day", so they trash the very working class they belong to.
  

  In terms of some legally mandated stuff such as overtime and breaks, yes, unions were a driving force.  But in terms of overall level of compensation, that's driven by supply and demand.  If unions are the only reason anyone ever gets a raise, then you have no explanation for why some people in non-union jobs are paid very well.
  
  If your employer must compensate you more in one way, then you'll inevitably be compensated less in others as a consequence.  That's not necessarily a bad thing, but you shouldn't pretend that paid holidays and overtime pay come for free.  I'm not even arguing that unions are good or bad, but only that there are always trade-offs.
  
• Kyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057

  December 17 edited December 17

  I'm not sure how wages are set in a modern day union, especially when one is voted in new.
  
  Do they negotiate for specific pay rates per job class or skill, or is it more of a range to account for experience and seniority.
  
  Just wondering if there are some super achievers perhaps making quite a bit more than their peers, is there a possibility they might have to take a pay cut to hit the negotiated scale?
  
  
  

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• uriel_mafess Member UncommonPosts: 258

  December 17 edited December 17

  
  

  Kyleran said:

  
  

  I'm not sure how wages are set in a modern day union, especially when one is voted in new.
  
  Do they negotiate for specific pay rates per job class or skill, or is it more of a range to account for experience and seniority.
  
  Just wondering if there are some super achievers perhaps making quite a bit more than their peers, is there a possibility they might have to take a pay cut to hit the negotiated scale?
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  Unions have a lot of room and autonomy but all my experience with them has come to:
  
  -Flat wage percentual increases no matter range.
  -Pressure to not have 1-1 talks about wage between workers-company.
  -Seniority wage raises.
  -Layoffs protections. Ex: Paying certain X severance wage per year of work.
  
  All of them created a ponzi scheme were long staying workers had huge wages and new workers had low stagnated wages. Old timers productivity plummeted (both due to age and protection from layoffs) and new workers get underpaid to give most of the production.
  
  This creates a 2 tier worker base. "Early adopters" (people that entered with high wages and/or stayed in the company for a long time) vs. "late comers" (lower entrance wages cause company doesn't have room to reduce "early adopters").
  
  This works for a decade and a half, tops two, before the company colapses.
  -High "late comers" rotation. They can't improve outside from the stablished flat % wage increase that is an ever increasing gap (raising 5% a 100k vs. 50k increases gap) and get burnt out.
  
  -Company can't get "talent", unions pressure hard to not break the wages seniority status quo.
  
  -Can't react fast and efficiently to market moves resizing. Can't layoff much of the workers cause severance packages get huge after a decade or two for seniors so they layoff "late comers" that bring the productivity.
  
  Companies get stuck in this vicious cycle until they implode.