What is crazy to me is (allegedly) selling over 3 million in less than a couple of months is considered a failure. We don't know what they needed to sell or how many they have sold but I know I enjoyed the game. It is guessing unless they make it official.
I bought it full price played it, beat it and liked it.
Hopefully they enjoyed making it and enjoyed the final product as much as most who played it did. (Reviews are solid, both critic and player)
I genuinely don't understand the hate of the game. I enjoyed it.
(I feel I say this with every game I play and enjoy. Yet I do understand that tearing down is easier for people than building up, so I think it is understandable from that perspective as to why people do it much more often)
My nephew loves DAV, way more than BG3.....Some people just like the franchise and that is fine.
I genuinely don't understand the hate of the game. I enjoyed it.
(I feel I say this with every game I play and enjoy. Yet I do understand that tearing down is easier for people than building up, so I think it is understandable from that perspective as to why people do it much more often)
My nephew loves DAV, way more than BG3.....Some people just like the franchise and that is fine.
My daughter does too. She never played the other games in the Dragon Age franchise but after beating the game she went back and is playing DA:I now. She loves it and thanks DA:V for bring the series to her attention.
Bioware is a dead, shambling zombie husk, still tottering along, but lacking real life. I'll contribute to their sales figures when the price drops below $10.
Over the years they've made their bed, but I don't have to lay down on it.
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It looks like the best entry in the franchise I've seen so far. It's 45% off for me on the Xbox Christmas sale, so I'm tempted, but there are some other games ahead of it in line.
I just picked up the Return to Moria mini DLC and Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 2. I'm thinking of picking up Outer Worlds DLC and DragonQuest Builders 2, which are also both on holiday sale.
Then there are a few other really good games that have been waiting on my wishlist for a while now.
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Undernauts: Labyrinth of Yomi
Raging Loop
Curious Expeditions 2 Bundle
2 Ace Attorney Games, Cat's Request, Orange Season, and a few more.
It isn't that I think DA:V is bad. It's more of a "get in line" issue for me. That doesn't even count the time some of the games I'm still working through will take.
The way success is measured is greatly exaggerated.
That’s the thing, it seems like it sold more than 2 and about what the first one sold but it’s a failure. Not right.
Well you mentioned the development costs, big changes in where they were going with the game costs oodles. Also it does not feature in the top twenty selling games on PS, while it ranks at 18 for Steam. But as always how indicative this is open to question.
My guess is that it cost a lot more than the average AAA to make and they wanted stonker sales to make a big profit on it. Remember all that game of the year stuff and how it was supposedly selling amazingly well because if it sells that well it has to be a truly great game right?
Instead it has sold well enough but no where near what they wanted. For me the best result would be they have a rethink and say ""OK for DA 5 lets stick to the lore, lets have great story, that's what got us Goty before". But that's just wishful thinking, lay offs seem more likely unfortunately.
If that happens I lay a lot of this at EA's door. Pushing "Bioware" to make Anthem resulted in DA 5 being like a last chance saloon.
It looks like the best entry in the franchise I've seen so far. It's 45% off for me on the Xbox Christmas sale, so I'm tempted, but there are some other games ahead of it in line.
I just picked up the Return to Moria mini DLC and Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 2. I'm thinking of picking up Outer Worlds DLC and DragonQuest Builders 2, which are also both on holiday sale.
Then there are a few other really good games that have been waiting on my wishlist for a while now.
Rogue Trader Voidfairer Ed
Undernauts: Labyrinth of Yomi
Raging Loop
Curious Expeditions 2 Bundle
2 Ace Attorney Games, Cat's Request, Orange Season, and a few more.
It isn't that I think DA:V is bad. It's more of a "get in line" issue for me. That doesn't even count the time some of the games I'm still working through will take.
Not sure about the rest but if you liked DragonQuest Builders 1 you will most likely enjoy DragonQuest Builders 2. Better story and some quality of life improvements made it a very good successor to the first.
I thought they would keep making them after the game director left for his own game studio but its been 5-6 years now.
The way success is measured is greatly exaggerated.
That’s the thing, it seems like it sold more than 2 and about what the first one sold but it’s a failure. Not right.
Well you mentioned the development costs, big changes in where they were going with the game costs oodles. Also it does not feature in the top twenty selling games on PS, while it ranks at 18 for Steam. But as always how indicative this is open to question.
My guess is that it cost a lot more than the average AAA to make and they wanted stonker sales to make a big profit on it. Remember all that game of the year stuff and how it was supposedly selling amazingly well because if it sells that well it has to be a truly great game right?
Instead it has sold well enough but no where near what they wanted. For me the best result would be they have a rethink and say ""OK for DA 5 lets stick to the lore, lets have great story, that's what got us Goty before". But that's just wishful thinking, lay offs seem more likely unfortunately.
If that happens I lay a lot of this at EA's door. Pushing "Bioware" to make Anthem resulted in DA 5 being like a last chance saloon.
yes, but that's "successful on their side." So, it it cost 1 million to make (exaggeration) it's a success with the players but because it cost more and thus had to make more for the developers to be happy (or whomever) it's not a success with the players?
Because that's what I see is going on here, people are using its profit to say whether the game is a success or not "as a game."
I'm more interested in hearing what players think. Some don't like it for sure but I see quite a few who do. Heck, some in this thread. I personally like the game. It's not as good as the first but I definitely like it better than inquisition.
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The way success is measured is greatly exaggerated.
That’s the thing, it seems like it sold more than 2 and about what the first one sold but it’s a failure. Not right.
Well you mentioned the development costs, big changes in where they were going with the game costs oodles. Also it does not feature in the top twenty selling games on PS, while it ranks at 18 for Steam. But as always how indicative this is open to question.
My guess is that it cost a lot more than the average AAA to make and they wanted stonker sales to make a big profit on it. Remember all that game of the year stuff and how it was supposedly selling amazingly well because if it sells that well it has to be a truly great game right?
Instead it has sold well enough but no where near what they wanted. For me the best result would be they have a rethink and say ""OK for DA 5 lets stick to the lore, lets have great story, that's what got us Goty before". But that's just wishful thinking, lay offs seem more likely unfortunately.
If that happens I lay a lot of this at EA's door. Pushing "Bioware" to make Anthem resulted in DA 5 being like a last chance saloon.
yes, but that's "successful on their side." So, it it cost 1 million to make (exaggeration) it's a success with the players but because it cost more and thus had to make more for the developers to be happy (or whomever) it's not a success with the players?
Because that's what I see is going on here, people are using its profit to say whether the game is a success or not "as a game."
I'm more interested in hearing what players think. Some don't like it for sure but I see quite a few who do. Heck, some in this thread. I personally like the game. It's not as good as the first but I definitely like it better than inquisition.
I am not sure it is an exaggeration to say it cost $1 Million, quite the opposite. The titles shown in the link show development costs of $47 to $313 million. This seems quite typical for a AAA. I don't believe advertising and marketing costs are in these figures which could inflate them by as much as 50%. If they sold a million Veilguard that's at least 59 million of the bat, but not impossible they might have had to sell 2 million to break even.
This is why I touted the idea the other day that the reason you see these videos showing that some new AAA games do not seem to have graphics as good as older titles (I would put VG in that category) must be to cut costs. I used to think it was just part of the infantilisation of gaming, seeing figures like these I think the money idea is a surer bet!
Was speaking to my 32 year old son who got this game recently (turns out I bought it for his birthday) and he is quite enjoying it.
Currently playing through as a traditional mage but has plans to run through again as a battle mage type next.
He never played any of the previous DA titles so perhaps it's to his benefit as he isn't missing any core features which existed in the previous titles.
He did agree the devs leaned in a bit hard to be "inclusive" in character development / story but that didn't upset him in any way as he largely ignores it.
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He did agree the devs leaned in a bit hard to be "inclusive" in character development / story but that didn't upset him in any way as he largely ignores it.
In my estimation, after playing the game several times as different classes and making different choices to see all content, the grand total of LGTB+ content is around 15 minutes of the 100+ hours.
In my estimation, after playing the game several times as different classes and making different choices to see all content, the grand total of LGTB+ content is around 15 minutes of the 100+ hours.
Tempest in a teapot.
Several times? What's your "percentage of playtime spent by all Steam users in new releases (games released in 2024)", Found under Year In Review?
I ask because there have to be gamers who are playing way more than the average 15% which seemed odd to me as I had assumed it would be much higher.
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We don't know what they needed to sell or how many they have sold but I know I enjoyed the game.
It is guessing unless they make it official.
I bought it full price played it, beat it and liked it.
Hopefully they enjoyed making it and enjoyed the final product as much as most who played it did. (Reviews are solid, both critic and player)
My nephew loves DAV, way more than BG3.....Some people just like the franchise and that is fine.
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My guess is that it cost a lot more than the average AAA to make and they wanted stonker sales to make a big profit on it. Remember all that game of the year stuff and how it was supposedly selling amazingly well because if it sells that well it has to be a truly great game right?
Instead it has sold well enough but no where near what they wanted. For me the best result would be they have a rethink and say ""OK for DA 5 lets stick to the lore, lets have great story, that's what got us Goty before". But that's just wishful thinking, lay offs seem more likely unfortunately.
If that happens I lay a lot of this at EA's door. Pushing "Bioware" to make Anthem resulted in DA 5 being like a last chance saloon.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
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This is why I touted the idea the other day that the reason you see these videos showing that some new AAA games do not seem to have graphics as good as older titles (I would put VG in that category) must be to cut costs. I used to think it was just part of the infantilisation of gaming, seeing figures like these I think the money idea is a surer bet!
Currently playing through as a traditional mage but has plans to run through again as a battle mage type next.
He never played any of the previous DA titles so perhaps it's to his benefit as he isn't missing any core features which existed in the previous titles.
He did agree the devs leaned in a bit hard to be "inclusive" in character development / story but that didn't upset him in any way as he largely ignores it.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Tempest in a teapot.
I ask because there have to be gamers who are playing way more than the average 15% which seemed odd to me as I had assumed it would be much higher.
My total hours played is 340.