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Warning: Dead Game
grimboj
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in Everquest II
There will be a lot of people who dispute this as they raid or mentor constantly but here are the facts I have encountered.
*At any level you will have difficulty as you are simply playing with whoever has logged on their lower level alt at that time. I found more parties at level 20 than level 50 and just gave up at level 52 as it is simply intolerable to combine the grind and the 1-3 hours it takes to form a party.
*This game is infested with leavers. So even tho it takes 3 hours to form a party, the people who have joined your party will leave at the first whipe or as soon as their dog starts scratching the door and you'll be lucky to come away with 10% of a level done that day. Im not talking about 3am on a thursday night either, Im talking about 3pm on a saturday afternoon on a GMT server.
*Once you hit higher level you will encounter very boring people. Guilds have obscene rules like 'no swearing' and any decent guild will be built upon the notion of control and commanding you to do something if you are online and able. If you loot something priceless and someone else in your guild can use it (this person could have joined yesterday), you must give it to them. Dont believe me? Visit the recruitment forum and read the terms for any raiding guild. This level of control is a reaction to market inflation by our friends at IGE
People are unable to afford what they want so they steal loot from guildies.
*Everyone you encounter in-game will be stressed for all of the above reasons and frequently lash out.
This is obviously a very decent game and the grind isnt even that bad if you get a good party going but it is also a game with a ruined community and the usual 'wrapping paper' that comes with having SOE making all the management decisions. I had a lot of fun but wasted a lot of money on the expansion packs after being told that 'everyone is high level' and 'it gets better at the next tier' so this is my reason for warning you.
*At any level you will have difficulty as you are simply playing with whoever has logged on their lower level alt at that time. I found more parties at level 20 than level 50 and just gave up at level 52 as it is simply intolerable to combine the grind and the 1-3 hours it takes to form a party.
*This game is infested with leavers. So even tho it takes 3 hours to form a party, the people who have joined your party will leave at the first whipe or as soon as their dog starts scratching the door and you'll be lucky to come away with 10% of a level done that day. Im not talking about 3am on a thursday night either, Im talking about 3pm on a saturday afternoon on a GMT server.
*Once you hit higher level you will encounter very boring people. Guilds have obscene rules like 'no swearing' and any decent guild will be built upon the notion of control and commanding you to do something if you are online and able. If you loot something priceless and someone else in your guild can use it (this person could have joined yesterday), you must give it to them. Dont believe me? Visit the recruitment forum and read the terms for any raiding guild. This level of control is a reaction to market inflation by our friends at IGE
People are unable to afford what they want so they steal loot from guildies.*Everyone you encounter in-game will be stressed for all of the above reasons and frequently lash out.
This is obviously a very decent game and the grind isnt even that bad if you get a good party going but it is also a game with a ruined community and the usual 'wrapping paper' that comes with having SOE making all the management decisions. I had a lot of fun but wasted a lot of money on the expansion packs after being told that 'everyone is high level' and 'it gets better at the next tier' so this is my reason for warning you.
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On PVE servers there are very few lowbies
But the PvP servers have a large populaton of all lvls IMO
In WoW it is time zone based so maybe that is why if I was on at 6, I could always find a group.
Also there are alot more zones coming out and new things to do, so people are not focusing on just grouping in 1 area for their level.
From what i am reading he means more that the behaviour of the community is dead .
Well sad you did not find a guild with some humour.
My guild on oasis does some of the toughest mob in the game but believe it or not we do not even use a dkp system.We known each other for over 1 year and never have loot disputes.
We laugh a lot and never blame each other.But cursing is not allowed.Reason is we have a few parents with young kids who sit and play around the computer and if you are on vent when we raid you watch the words you use.
Guild policies all depend on what kind of guild it is. If you don't agree with the rules and guidelines of the guild, then it was not for you in the first place. Best to talk to members of the guild prior to joining to get a real perspective on how it runs.
My guild is one that requires members to "keep the screen clean". That is because we are a casual, family guild of parents and their kids that play. The last thing we need or want is some trash talking punk in our chat channel with our kids.
Those that join our guild know that rule going in, and we have never had a problem with it.
Kindle - 68 Erudite Conjurer - Najena - Officer and Recruiter, Foundation Guild
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Dead Game? u must be kidding, i've never had more fun since EQ1.
The game is perfectly soloable from lvl 1 to lvl 70 with no problems, there was a timeline of soleable quests in www.eq2i.com, but seems the site is not working now or they are updating it.
About the leavers, i think there is leavers in every game, take WoW for example..., but i have to say to you that u must have a very bad luck to find a bad group in EQ2, players are normaly older on age that in WoW, and many low lvls are actually experienced players trying a new role, because this game hooks up so much that u want to try all classes possible.
About the guilds part, im sorry, seems ur bad luck follows u to there also, the most fn time I have it always with my guildmates
And the last point, the stressed people, i think that there u talk more of your point of view than a reality.
Actually, i believe that all your post is a point of view more than a reality, same than a friend of mine who plays WoW and says that to gain lvls on EQ2 is too hard, he didnt made it to the 20 in the free month, but i made it to lvl 25 in a week with my berserker... Everything depends of how u like to see the things.
I think u got to read the full game to realise the original poster is not saying about the population he just don't like the community and feels its uptight.
Well i suggest you come to a pvp server.Some guild specialize in trash talking but i have zero to do with them so can't advise you where to find them.
I think there is one called slash duel or something on nagafen.Anyhow,generally you find guilds demanding a clean chat.
As for ppl leaving groups.Hmm,it happens in any mmorpg but compared to WoW its heaven.Constant leavers get blacklisted very fast.
I wish you safe travels to your next mmorpg but if you found the EQ2community bad then you will struggle to find many games out there with a better community.For that you have to go back to the golden oldies like AC1,EQ1,DAoC to find better.
Your basic complaint is against the community and communities are a subjective experience. You ran into a bunch of strict tight arses. Switch servers or something. Quit or form your own guild.
Those complaints are common to any MMO, especially ones with raid endgame.
Making a post saying in the title a game "is dead" because people let their dogs out (what should the guy do, let the dog pee on the floor?), people quit groups when they die (games with XP loss tend to be like this, it pisses people off when they loose XP because of a group, general rule is if the group gets you killed once - in any game- they will do it again...usually) and some of the guilds you saw have raid rules (WoW has some of the worse n*zi guilds on the face of the earth)......well it just..........play a non-MMO cause these type of people are in all of them.
A good guild is hard to find in any game. Whats "good" to one isn't to another. Its just a bunch of people with a common chat channel. Some of them don't like to hear swearing...so quit and find one you like that does.
Make your own.
Can't find a group after 3 hours? What are you playing a bard or a chanter? Try a guardian, healer or a pure DPS class. If you expect people to group with ya and you have a class not desired then your problem isn't the game.
Grouping is harder at 50? I've got 3 characters, 70, 53 and 43. While leveling up the latter 2 I found grouping to be less 1-35 but after that grouping did nothing but picked up. By the time I hit 50s grouping was almost all I ever had to do.
Guilds have rules, get used to it. Some people don't like idoits cursing in /gu because there are younger players. Just because you're playing a game on the 'net doesn't mean that we should have to deal with you venting for every inadequacy you might have. Frankly I like those rules and makes for mature game play.
Community dead? Perhaps just not a match for you. You should check out WoW community, they might be more your style.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
I'm on kithcore server with my lvl 30 sk. I rejoined my old guild back from EQ1 on there. But most of them are already lvl 70. But they have been very helpfull with gear and even a little bit of pleveling. There were times when I had to find groups out of guild to and I was able to.
There are still lowbies joining even non pvp servers to. Not everyone in my guild is lvl 70 either. There are some that are still rejoining back from EQ1 to who use to be with us or who knew us from EQ1.
I've also only had one person who left a group when I was hunting in the commonlands, he got mad because he died. Too bad he didn't know that dieing is a part of MMO's to.
Also as for having trouble LFG, try a few things, put up the LFG tab, shout in ooc and yell and even the "levels" channels. Also try and mention what quests you need help for and maybe someone with the same quest will help you with it.
I don't know which server you played, but i play on runyeye and the community here is great.
The guild i am in doesnt mind bad language as long as its used in a fun way. No items taking away...
Also at higher levels, people tend to group more with guildies, so if you want to have a group fast, join a guild or make one.
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The game matured too quickly. By that, I mean that the player base has already maxed out or gotten close to maxed out toons. The level population is top heavy, as not enough new blood is coming in. Those folks who do roll alts, will PL or twink or blast through the quick and easy stuff.
This is nothing new, every MMO goes through this. EQ2 went through it way too soon.
Untrue.
It can get boring at times if you are a solo lvl 70.
But there are some many instances and areas to run.
Plus the free Fallen Dynsasty beta. I can honestly say I've never seen any area as beautiful as the Fallen Dynasty areas. It's unreal.
I love the game,never really have problems with groups as the above poster says people who leave groups do get blacklisted very quickly,the game has changed so much (and for the better) in the 16 months i've been playing.
There is always something to do even at my level 70,not just make a new toon like i did in my brief foray with WOW,i've been in a couple of guilds but left only becuase they where not for me,but the one i'm in now is a grat guild with lovely people in it,always willing to help.
What a great attitude! I knew there was a reason to keep visiting this site.
No annoying animated GIF here!
Well first you have to understand that the internet is THE social outlet for many people who just can't cope with real human interaction.
Then the whole family guild thing appeals to those who lack such bonds in real life.
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I think it comes down to you actually have to fit into society in some form, and not just be a hobo dipshit left on the sidewalk of life, to actually understand what a "family guild" entails. Thus why you don't understand it Jorev.
*A family guild is one that focuses more on friendly guild interaction and assistance instead of focusing on the size of one's e-peen aka Ubah Guild #25215.
*A family guild is one where you can expect to see people talking coherently, using language appropriate for a 5yo to read - yes, some parents let their kids play, and like to know they're in an environment they can trust.
*A family guild is one where members actually say "Yes I will help you by mentoring down to your level" instead of the e-peen "lOL u r hulf my lvl n i wud get no xp sry" reply.
*A family guild will be renowned for enjoying the ride and helping each other along and not saying "You must be available to raid 6 days a week and you will get no loot for the first 3 months cos we are ubah". Family guilds don't usually require severe timeline upkeep.
*Family guilds realise you have a life, a real life family, a job, hobbies etc, and that you may only be playing 2 hours a week.
Actually, in reflection on Jorev's pearl of wisdom, a family guild's focus is usually the exact opposite of what he said.
They're guilds created by people who do not have a whole lot of time due to family commitments OR their whole family plays OR they like to take it slow and hang out with an online 'family' of sorts when they get time to play.
In essence, you join family guilds to avoid lOL r0xorz f**ktards like Jorev!
Btw, nice to see you again Jorev. I had grown disappointed in not seeing your masterpiece posts of social-leper wisdom.
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You covered it well, Arremus. That is exactly what my guild is and does.
One tenant that we have is since everyone has real-life agro, we don't sweat it when someone needs to bail from a group, or even a planned event.
Kindle - 68 Erudite Conjurer - Najena - Officer and Recruiter, Foundation Guild
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I have never had a problem with grouping when I wanted in this game ... ever