Originally posted by Puoltry Originally posted by gestalt11 Originally posted by Puoltry Originally posted by gestalt11 The guy who lived next door to me while I was growing up had to flee to the US because he was captured during WW2 and knew Stalin was killing anyone who was captured instead of dying on the battle field, especially if they were Armenian. He personally knew various people who were killed by Stalin's regime for one reason or another. So I suspect NCSoft has good reason for concern, considering some of his children and others like them might be playing.
Look im not denying that he was a HORRIBLE human being this isnt about that.But he wasnt going around like Hitler preaching about the genetic inferiority of a a race.He may have disliked armenian's sure but they werent the ONLY Soviet citicens being killed on a huge scale.
Hitler specifically targeted Jews as well as anyone he deemed genetically defecient.
What it IS about is the naming policy NCSOFT has in place.I gladly would have changed it if i simply had been asked to in game.Soviet HAMMER would have been acceptable.
They chose to suspend my account with no previous complaints on any server concerning my characters.
I'm sorry but none of your word definitions matter. You are playing with fire when using someone responsible for massive amounts of death and suffering especially since its still within living memory.
Whether they should have banned you or whatever I don't know or care. But if you can't accept that this is extremely and needlessly inflammatory then you need to step back, take a deep breath, realize people's relatives died in miserable circumstances and simply bow out gracefully. NCSoft simply can't let such a thing happen and be considered responsible.
I'm sorry you were banned or they were heavy handed, but you do not have clean hands in this matter.
Point taken and dont be sorry im not its just a game.Again let me state that at no time have i defended what Stalin did in world history.
BTW i do have clean hands in the matter i personally did NOT kill 10's of millions of people to say that because i used a name to define a character in a game incriminates me is just silly.
Just so you know i hear plenty of comments concerning my lifestyle all the time.Im in a mixed marriage and have a daughter from that marriage.So although i may not have witnessed personally such hatred i do hear the comments of hatred and misunderstanding on almost daily basis.
I am not identifying you with Stalin, I am simply telling you that using his name is almost certainly bound to be inflammatory and for some people it will justifiably upset them. That is all. In that regard you bear some responsiblity in the matter.
You could say its like yelling "Fire!" in a crowded movie theatre, although that is an imperfect analogy. In the end its just too much. Like I said its playing with fire. Really its just not worth it. Mucking around with the sort of thing that name evokes will just lead to genuine/real life hatred for some, not role-playing fanatasy type-stuff. In such a case everyone gains from a little tact, because what that could very likely lead to is no fun for anyone in the end.
Originally posted by baff I doubt very much whether Stalin considered all those he sent to the mines his "own people". A harsh leader for harsh times. As bad as he was, he was a lot nicer than the other alternatives at the time. Also our greatest Ally.
Yes, Stalin was a necesarry ally in WW2. However harsh to me has a different definition. I think that putting the Japanese in internment camps was extremely harsh. They didn't deserve it. You call Stalin's purges of tens of millions of people "harsh". And you even condone his actions of putting millions in "labor camps", which were basically death camps. How can you defend this man? He killed people based on their supposed political beliefs. He killed them out of paranoia and fear. He was a coward.
Originally posted by damian7 Originally posted by beautyisin Link.,Link.,Link., I for one am glad your character got banned. um, what are you smoking?joker kills people indiscriminately. tortures and slays them for his jollies. same can be said for oooo 80% or more of batman's enemies -- villains.superman fights against epic villains who DESTROY worlds.speaking of destroying worlds, ever heard of galactus? epic world eating VILLAIN?what sort of person makes a game called city of VILLAINS, has missions where you poison an entire city and every mission you have INVOLVES KILLING heroes, villains, innocent bystanders and goes "oh noes you made a villainous name -- BAN". kind of like their new mayhem missions? where you go around trying to destroy and kill more and more and you get more points for the more destruction you cause? got a tally of how many people you kill in cov just leveling up to 10? good guys just trying to protect innocents from YOU. innocents just in the way. heck, even gang bangers who don't bow down and worship you.. dead dead deadyou are glad that a VILLAIN with a VILLAINOUS name was banned?exactly what level of the abyss do carebears like that inhabit? is it the one with the guy that's all gelatinous and stuff and has all those ooze creatures wandering about? that sounds about right. next door to ooze castle we find carebear forest~!!!!the list goes on and on of villains in comics who commit atrocities which make both stalin and hitler seem like kindergarteners eating mud pies. but zomgwtfbbqpewpewpew~!!!! you better not make a villainous name, "oh noes" you made a villainous name in a game ABOUT VILLAINS~!!! ban ban ban banwow... just incredibly WOW.
I had trouble reading your retarded style of writing, but all i will say on the matter is that i voiced an opinion not based upon the hypocrisy, double standards, censorship, but based solely upon the fact that only a retard would name his character after someone that killed millions. fiction/reality can you distinguish between the two? My opinion is that within society we should be able to exercise free speach, this does not mean that i agree with certain things, i would like to ban everyone that uses leet speak just for the fun of it, hence i am glad that the fuckwit got banned because i think the name is childish. It's funny you call me a "carebear" have you ever been involved in real conflict in your life or just your comics? typical keyboard warrior... seeing as how you would not have any teeth if you had the misfortune to run in to me i would count yourself lucky.
ROFLMMFAO
only 8 years in jungles and deserts. that's all little one. now go color and e-threaten someone else. i seriously doubt you have ever done anything but. yet another of the *i hide and threaten from mom's basement via the internet* generation. sad sad.
i don't know why you take the spacing out of things you quote. learn to use a little thing we call paragraphs, it makes reading your grammarfest a little less painful.
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for all of the supra geniuses taking offense at stalin's hammer in cov.
allow me to point you all to the 5th column. they are now called the council. rumor is the 5th column will once again split off from the council soon. they changed their name, not sure how many months after coh was released.
just google 5th column. you will only find references to them being subersive nazis working to further hitler's genocidal agendas. this is one of the major mob groups in coh.
now, maybe it's a coincedence, they're not supposed to be nazis?
they dress like nazis, kinda salute like nazis, they have a super soldier program. they dabble in the occult/alien stuff. their experimentations have resulted in vampyre and warwolves (genetically enhanced super soldiers which are essenitally vampires and werewolves).
their name was changed from 5th column to the council but that is all that really changed about the soldiers and their missions.
but hey, i enjoy being threatened by some little kids who think that they're hot stuff. in a game with demons possessing people, missions to destroy the populations of cities, abducting a woman to return her to the lich that's enslaved her, and just a myriad of morally bankrupt and EVIL missions....
if you don't understand that one of the first major villain groups in coh/cov is NAZI, then shut up. plain & simple - you have no idea what game you're speaking of, therefore your opinion really means absolutely NOTHING because you are completely ignorant on this topic.
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Originally posted by beautyisin Originally posted by baff Originally posted by beautyisin
Is any of this relevant? "As bad as he was, he was a lot nicer than the other alternatives at the time". Such as? I think what you need is a history lesson. No service, no money. They have their Eula, I have mine. what your eula is, is of little consequence as is the op's you sign it you abide by it, simple. Such as Hitler. Such as the Ukrainian Nazi's he sent to the mines. (among others perhaps less deserving). You haven't taken a history class, you have taken elementry propaganda only. It's relevant because the reason most here are giving for taking offense to the name Stalin, is his historical behaviour. A subject which many westerners are laughably ill-informed. Tolerance is born out of education. As for the Eula, the difference between mine and theirs is that mine has actual basis in law. When they take my money, they agree to my contract. It's called Tort Law or The Bill Of Sale. They must provide the service or product sold to me. The acceptance of my money is a legally binding act. A Eula on the otherhand has absolutley zero legal basis. Gamers Boogieman. I could spend all day remonstrating with you, but i choose not to as it would be a waste of my time.We all know history and know one said Stalin was the only participant that is besides the point, let me guess your a student? you are an affliction and i would love for you to witness stalin's rule first hand, do you recollect the scene in Good Will Hunting when Matt Damon confronts the person at the bar? that my juvenile friend is you, You are what is better known as a clown.
who typed what in this? everything is exactly the same color and font. maybe you could redo it with colors for what you said and what someone else said? and then we could know what this post was about?
thanks, drive thru.
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Originally posted by Puoltry Originally posted by Copeland Stalin was a hatemonger. You're an idiot. I hope one day you suffer as those persecuted under Stalin did.
Who's the hatemonger now?
If you're F*cking retarded enough to name your character after Stalin you deserve all the hate it provokes.
glad that I live in the United States of America. we have laws to protect us from the mind police.
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Originally posted by treed0223 Originally posted by baff I doubt very much whether Stalin considered all those he sent to the mines his "own people". A harsh leader for harsh times. As bad as he was, he was a lot nicer than the other alternatives at the time. Also our greatest Ally.
Yes, Stalin was a necesarry ally in WW2. However harsh to me has a different definition. I think that putting the Japanese in internment camps was extremely harsh. They didn't deserve it. You call Stalin's purges of tens of millions of people "harsh". And you even condone his actions of putting millions in "labor camps", which were basically death camps. How can you defend this man? He killed people based on their supposed political beliefs. He killed them out of paranoia and fear. He was a coward.
so you agree, he WAS a villain.
city of villains. villian. super villains. super villain....
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Sure this "5th column" may look, act and talk like a nazi, but are they labeled it? From your description, no. NCsoft is merely using a historical reference to what villains have been from a certain perspective. I'm sure there is no leader dressed in a grey suit with a red armband with a swatztika on it and little moustache named Hitler as the boss or whatever you may call it in your game.
True, his name is just a historical reference to a leader in ww2, and I'm sure no harm was meant in it. However I agree with NCsofts decision, due to the fact that he is directly referencing a historical figure that is known for his attrocities. This is why they would have allowed "Soviet HAMMER" because it is a bit more vague, and is extremely less likely to create threads like this, and extremely less likely to evoke any type of emotion out of someone whom may have family that were in the purges etc. It is a matter of principle and respect. The whole world doesn't revolve around your game damian, even if it is a characters name in game.
To the OP: Sorry about your name situation, it sucks how slow some companies are to respond to anything.
Do you have a source for this amazing theory that fascism is/was a leftist ideology?
Actually, who cares? This is a MMORPG forum and it's totally irrelevant. We're too busy being amused by the travails of some guy who can't spell poultry correctly.
So you're pissed because you took your name from a historical figure (which I believe is not allowed by the user agreement) and they caught you. Then rather than ban you outright or change your name/character, they offer to work with you so that you can still keep your character idea.
Sounds to me like you're just causing trouble for the sake of it.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Damian7, just so we have this clear you are a total fantasist a big time charlie who lives his dumb little life through comic books and irritating others, talk is cheap. I would say based on your attitude, posts and the way you talk that you are a 16 year old who has never done anything, well some of us have boy, you are not even on the level to have a conversation with me. Typical WoW kid or i can't remember correctly did you say you were a soldier? lol all that means is that you would get your head kicked in while trying to demonstrate the meager skills you learnt in military school. you and a few others on this thread exemplify why the internet is a bad thing, because you get inferior people trying to fight against reality. Maybe you have never read a book and do not know the atrocities Stalin commited and your idiocy is based on pure ignorance, either way through ignorance or arrogance your still a complete idiot.
If you had named your character Atilla or Genghis, I don't think anyone would care. The people and families of those they hurt are long dead. Unfortunately, in the case of those such as Hitler and Stalin, what they did still affects people to this day. There are many still alive who lived through it and watched friends and family die in gulags or during the famine that was a result of his politica practices. The sort of strife and damage caused by people such as Stalin and Hitler might not diminish for generations. That name might have sounded clever, and quite possibly was, but your common sense must have, at least, given you a wee bit of pause, no? Those are the sorts of voices in your head that are worth listening to. Try again in 100 years or something... it's likely no one will care by then.
Originally posted by Ulujain Do you have a source for this amazing theory that fascism is/was a leftist ideology? Actually, who cares? This is a MMORPG forum and it's totally irrelevant. We're too busy being amused by the travails of some guy who can't spell poultry correctly. A storm in a teacup if there ever was one.
I actually CHOSE to spell it that way.It was a unique and different way to spell it.Looks like it worked you noticed it right?
Want to ENJOY an mmo?
Dont start a guild and dont be a leader or volunteer to be coleader or captain.
Originally posted by Blurr So you're pissed because you took your name from a historical figure (which I believe is not allowed by the user agreement) and they caught you. Then rather than ban you outright or change your name/character, they offer to work with you so that you can still keep your character idea. Sounds to me like you're just causing trouble for the sake of it.
Actually no im not "pissed" because i got caught im actually surprised i had it as long as i did.What i am pissed about is there are a lot more offensively named characters running around in CoV/CoH that were a much higher level.
BTW i did get suspended for 72 hours.If they had simply ASKED me ingame i would have gladly changed it.Im not causing trouble im simply pointing out the naming policy and just how inconsistent it is.
Want to ENJOY an mmo?
Dont start a guild and dont be a leader or volunteer to be coleader or captain.
Originally posted by Puoltry I actually CHOSE to spell it that way.It was a unique and different way to spell it.Looks like it worked you noticed it right?
Being noticed for something like that isn't a necessarily a good thing. First thing I thought was that you couldn't spell. I'm sure I'm not alone.
Originally posted by treed0223 Originally posted by baff I doubt very much whether Stalin considered all those he sent to the mines his "own people". A harsh leader for harsh times. As bad as he was, he was a lot nicer than the other alternatives at the time. Also our greatest Ally.
Yes, Stalin was a necesarry ally in WW2. However harsh to me has a different definition. I think that putting the Japanese in internment camps was extremely harsh. They didn't deserve it. You call Stalin's purges of tens of millions of people "harsh". And you even condone his actions of putting millions in "labor camps", which were basically death camps. How can you defend this man? He killed people based on their supposed political beliefs. He killed them out of paranoia and fear. He was a coward.
Hang on, the Japanese didn't deserve internment camps?
Have you heard about the Japanese run internment camps? Do you have some glamourous ideal that Japanese were the kind of warm beautiful pacifists they are today?
Japan and Russia are traditional enemies. It's was Japans decision not to attack Russia that freed up it's eastern Armies and allowed it to reinforce Stalingrad, dooming Germany.
How many Chinese were killed in WW2? You can tell me how many Russians and Americans and Germans. But the Chinese? No one bothered to count.
We are living in a different world today. Putting Japanese people living in America, where the war never reached, in internment camps wasn't harsh at all. I bet they were treated well. Japanese people hadn't raped and butchered their way across America sending all they captured for torture or to death camps. The circumstances of Japanese internments in the U.S. during WW2 were not anything like the same as in the eastern front. They do not compare. America was never under threat, it's civilians never abused or systematically eradicated. Different worlds. The same standards do not apply. You will notice after 9/11 America treats it's captured enemies somewhat differently.
Stalins labour camps were not "basically death camps". There were plenty of "death camps" around, but Stalin's were labour camps, prisoners were allowed to work no more than 8 hours a day and were not allowed to be placed on reduced rations, The facist Ukranians on the other hand, ran death camps where the people were systematically starved to death and used for medical experiments. The Germans gassed them.
And yes Stalin probably did kill people for their political beliefs and out of paranoia and fear. So did the Pope. What's your point? These are extremely common reasons to kill people. Today we still kill people who are the enemies of democracy or terrorists who we fear. Why is it only evil if Stalin does it?
@Analfaye, Yes, bugger about the Poles after the war, not much we could do. That wasn't a fight we could have won. Pretty much, what you describe is the beginning of the cold war and this is the point where Stalin's history starts to blend with propaganda. Did Stalin want to overrun all of Europe? maybe. If he did, it's very strange why he didn't attempt to take a totally undefended Austria. Stalin had the same primary motivation we all did. Revenge.
Originally posted by Signe If you had named your character Atilla or Genghis, I don't think anyone would care. The people and families of those they hurt are long dead. Unfortunately, in the case of those such as Hitler and Stalin, what they did still affects people to this day. There are many still alive who lived through it and watched friends and family die in gulags or during the famine that was a result of his politica practices. The sort of strife and damage caused by people such as Stalin and Hitler might not diminish for generations. That name might have sounded clever, and quite possibly was, but your common sense must have, at least, given you a wee bit of pause, no? Those are the sorts of voices in your head that are worth listening to. Try again in 100 years or something... it's likely no one will care by then.
Sorry Signe but how many of these people are playing online games?
You survived the gulag and are now playing COH? Name names.
Use your own head, this is utter nonsense. There are precisiely zero 90 year old soviet gulag survivors in COH.
Should we ban all war movies and WW2 games too? What about books or comics with Stalins name? Shall I destroy my copy of Command & Conquer: Red Alert?
How about history classes? Perhaps a gluag victim could attend one of those also?
Lets burn all the books!
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This is a very flimsy excuse indeed.
The only valid excuse that I see is that people might start flaming in game. For myself, it is those that flame in this circumstance that would be stupid. Just a load of people with nothing better to do than try and inflict their moral high ground on other people about a subject which doesn't upset them or disturb their lives one iota, other than providing them with an easy target. Very very poor.
The biggest DUH of it all (and that is no TLA) is that the topic isn't "They shouln't be bothered by my incorporating the name of Stalin in my character's name", nor "Stalin was justified".
The problem is more along these lines: Use an unacceptable name once - in good faith - and get a 72 hour ban when you would willingly have changed your name.
The no-tolerance line is defined in the EULA, and their decision as such is acceptable. Reading EULA's might be a good trick, even if it is more often a waste of time. So, it is the OP's fault for not reading the EULA. To an extent.
There is one other thing to consider: Villains as a theme, soviet references as an accepted part of the game. Unless Stalin is somewhere explicitly defined as "illegal" the rule you have broken (and are immediately banned for) is fleshed out on the fly. Almost like rolling down the highway, looking at that BLANK speed limit sign. When you hit seventy the cops overtake you and define the speed limit to sixty.
He could have stayed on the safe side, but the point is that banning (even temporarily) on that basis is poor policy. Infractions that could be accidental should go with warning and correction. (Although it renders the sign useless, I wouldn't object if the policeman said "Speed limit here's sixty, you go slower from now on and I don't want to see you hitting seventy again.")
The point didn't really get across to the COV staff either...
"I am sorry to read that you are upset over the decision to remove Stalin's HAMMER from the game."
I mean... I hope that the complaint wasn't so poorly expressed as to actually give the impression you were trying to keep your name rather than lift the ban (or whatever you were trying, OP). Because you have, during this thread and the last thread on the topic, made it very clear you had no objection to changing your name - only to sitting out a 72 hour penalty for having broken a loosely defined rule.
And it doesn't make any difference if it "should be obvious" that Stalin is a poor choice. 70 mph is fast, but hey - it's the highway?
Similar problem: I have a friend who wears a coat which he thinks looks really good. He also knows that some german organization is associated with similar articles of clothing. Does he think anybody's going to care? No. Do they? Yes. Those who are close to actual victims, and those who are old enough to remember do react. To me it is just a coat. Not saying that the Stalin reference isn't obvious, but implying that its significance is no longer universally understood.
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Originally posted by Copeland edited. contained quote from deleted post.
cuss more, it shows you have passion. oh wait, it means that you are unable to actually articulate intelligent comments and are frustrated at something...
last i checked, you can be nazi, communist, a supporter of charles manson, bundy, whomever you so choose, in this country.
yup, it's still that way.
so, you're ok with an entire faction of NAZIS running around in coh since it's release two years ago, but the name "stalin's hammer" upsets you. you're either a hypocrite or um, *brilliant*.
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Originally posted by beautyisin Damian7, just so we have this clear you are a total fantasist a big time charlie who lives his dumb little life through comic books and irritating others, talk is cheap. I would say based on your attitude, posts and the way you talk that you are a 16 year old who has never done anything, well some of us have boy, you are not even on the level to have a conversation with me. Typical WoW kid or i can't remember correctly did you say you were a soldier? lol all that means is that you would get your head kicked in while trying to demonstrate the meager skills you learnt in military school. you and a few others on this thread exemplify why the internet is a bad thing, because you get inferior people trying to fight against reality. Maybe you have never read a book and do not know the atrocities Stalin commited and your idiocy is based on pure ignorance, either way through ignorance or arrogance your still a complete idiot.
aside from your unwarranted personal attack. i want to clarify something -- you're ok with nazis being in coh since the game was released, BUT you take offense at the name "stalin's hammer"....
wow, just wow. so you are ok with nazis, just not stalin. and i'm the idiot? wow.
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Originally posted by baff Originally posted by Signe If you had named your character Atilla or Genghis, I don't think anyone would care. The people and families of those they hurt are long dead. Unfortunately, in the case of those such as Hitler and Stalin, what they did still affects people to this day. There are many still alive who lived through it and watched friends and family die in gulags or during the famine that was a result of his politica practices. The sort of strife and damage caused by people such as Stalin and Hitler might not diminish for generations. That name might have sounded clever, and quite possibly was, but your common sense must have, at least, given you a wee bit of pause, no? Those are the sorts of voices in your head that are worth listening to. Try again in 100 years or something... it's likely no one will care by then.
Sorry Signe but how many of these people are playing online games?
You survived the gulag and are now playing COH? Name names.
Use your own head, this is utter nonsense. There are precisiely zero 90 year old soviet gulag survivors in COH.
Should we ban all war movies and WW2 games too? What about books or comics with Stalins name? Shall I destroy my copy of Command & Conquer: Red Alert?
How about history classes? Perhaps a gluag victim could attend one of those also?
Lets burn all the books!
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This is a very flimsy excuse indeed.
The only valid excuse that I see is that people might start flaming in game. For myself, it is those that flame in this circumstance that would be stupid. Just a load of people with nothing better to do than try and inflict their moral high ground on other people about a subject which doesn't upset them or disturb their lives one iota, other than providing them with an easy target. Very very poor.
judging from the name-callers in this thread, that's EXACTLY what they want. burn the books, destroy all knowledge, to hell with personal freedoms.
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"Under the dictatorship of Joseph Stalin, tens of millions of ordinary individuals were executed or imprisoned in labour camps that were little more than death camps. Perceived political orientation was the key variable in these mass atrocities. But gender played an important role, and in many respects the Purge period of Soviet history can be considered the worst gendercide of the twentieth century."
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So the OP thinks NCSoft is wrong for objecting to "Stalin's Hammer"?
Originally posted by Ulujain Gendercide? Where did you get that quote from? Actually Stalin is number 2. behind Mao Zedong when it comes to genocide, but that's a tale for another day. WTG, Poultry or Paltry or whatever your name is, look what you've started.
in our country we enjoy freedom of speech and to have opinions that aren't limited by what nazis dictate we should say and think. yet in that same breath, we defend the rights of those same nazis, who, if they were in power, would remove those selfsame rights from us.
going by that understanding, i don't see why he shouldn't be allowed the name if he so chose it for a villain in a game that is about murderers, kidnappers, extortionists and seemingly genocidal wouldbe world conquerors.
like i said, coh has had nazis since a looooooooooong time ago.
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Hitler specifically targeted Jews as well as anyone he deemed genetically defecient.
What it IS about is the naming policy NCSOFT has in place.I gladly would have changed it if i simply had been asked to in game.Soviet HAMMER would have been acceptable.
They chose to suspend my account with no previous complaints on any server concerning my characters.
I'm sorry but none of your word definitions matter. You are playing with fire when using someone responsible for massive amounts of death and suffering especially since its still within living memory.
Whether they should have banned you or whatever I don't know or care. But if you can't accept that this is extremely and needlessly inflammatory then you need to step back, take a deep breath, realize people's relatives died in miserable circumstances and simply bow out gracefully. NCSoft simply can't let such a thing happen and be considered responsible.
I'm sorry you were banned or they were heavy handed, but you do not have clean hands in this matter.
Point taken and dont be sorry im not its just a game.Again let me state that at no time have i defended what Stalin did in world history.
BTW i do have clean hands in the matter i personally did NOT kill 10's of millions of people to say that because i used a name to define a character in a game incriminates me is just silly.
Just so you know i hear plenty of comments concerning my lifestyle all the time.Im in a mixed marriage and have a daughter from that marriage.So although i may not have witnessed personally such hatred i do hear the comments of hatred and misunderstanding on almost daily basis.
I am not identifying you with Stalin, I am simply telling you that using his name is almost certainly bound to be inflammatory and for some people it will justifiably upset them. That is all. In that regard you bear some responsiblity in the matter.
You could say its like yelling "Fire!" in a crowded movie theatre, although that is an imperfect analogy. In the end its just too much. Like I said its playing with fire. Really its just not worth it. Mucking around with the sort of thing that name evokes will just lead to genuine/real life hatred for some, not role-playing fanatasy type-stuff. In such a case everyone gains from a little tact, because what that could very likely lead to is no fun for anyone in the end.
You broke the naming policy, (and you agree to the TOS to play the game) and they punished you for it.
What's the problem?
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I had trouble reading your retarded style of writing, but all i will say on the matter is that i voiced an opinion not based upon the hypocrisy, double standards, censorship, but based solely upon the fact that only a retard would name his character after someone that killed millions. fiction/reality can you distinguish between the two? My opinion is that within society we should be able to exercise free speach, this does not mean that i agree with certain things, i would like to ban everyone that uses leet speak just for the fun of it, hence i am glad that the fuckwit got banned because i think the name is childish. It's funny you call me a "carebear" have you ever been involved in real conflict in your life or just your comics? typical keyboard warrior... seeing as how you would not have any teeth if you had the misfortune to run in to me i would count yourself lucky.
ROFLMMFAO
only 8 years in jungles and deserts. that's all little one. now go color and e-threaten someone else. i seriously doubt you have ever done anything but. yet another of the *i hide and threaten from mom's basement via the internet* generation. sad sad.
i don't know why you take the spacing out of things you quote. learn to use a little thing we call paragraphs, it makes reading your grammarfest a little less painful.
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allow me to point you all to the 5th column. they are now called the council. rumor is the 5th column will once again split off from the council soon. they changed their name, not sure how many months after coh was released.
just google 5th column. you will only find references to them being subersive nazis working to further hitler's genocidal agendas. this is one of the major mob groups in coh.
now, maybe it's a coincedence, they're not supposed to be nazis?
they dress like nazis, kinda salute like nazis, they have a super soldier program. they dabble in the occult/alien stuff. their experimentations have resulted in vampyre and warwolves (genetically enhanced super soldiers which are essenitally vampires and werewolves).
their name was changed from 5th column to the council but that is all that really changed about the soldiers and their missions.
but hey, i enjoy being threatened by some little kids who think that they're hot stuff. in a game with demons possessing people, missions to destroy the populations of cities, abducting a woman to return her to the lich that's enslaved her, and just a myriad of morally bankrupt and EVIL missions....
if you don't understand that one of the first major villain groups in coh/cov is NAZI, then shut up. plain & simple - you have no idea what game you're speaking of, therefore your opinion really means absolutely NOTHING because you are completely ignorant on this topic.
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thanks, drive thru.
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If you're F*cking retarded enough to name your character after Stalin you deserve all the hate it provokes.
glad that I live in the United States of America. we have laws to protect us from the mind police.
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so you agree, he WAS a villain.
city of villains. villian. super villains. super villain....
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Sure this "5th column" may look, act and talk like a nazi, but are they labeled it? From your description, no. NCsoft is merely using a historical reference to what villains have been from a certain perspective. I'm sure there is no leader dressed in a grey suit with a red armband with a swatztika on it and little moustache named Hitler as the boss or whatever you may call it in your game.
True, his name is just a historical reference to a leader in ww2, and I'm sure no harm was meant in it. However I agree with NCsofts decision, due to the fact that he is directly referencing a historical figure that is known for his attrocities. This is why they would have allowed "Soviet HAMMER" because it is a bit more vague, and is extremely less likely to create threads like this, and extremely less likely to evoke any type of emotion out of someone whom may have family that were in the purges etc. It is a matter of principle and respect. The whole world doesn't revolve around your game damian, even if it is a characters name in game.
To the OP: Sorry about your name situation, it sucks how slow some companies are to respond to anything.
Do you have a source for this amazing theory that fascism is/was a leftist ideology?
Actually, who cares? This is a MMORPG forum and it's totally irrelevant. We're too busy being amused by the travails of some guy who can't spell poultry correctly.
A storm in a teacup if there ever was one.
So you're pissed because you took your name from a historical figure (which I believe is not allowed by the user agreement) and they caught you. Then rather than ban you outright or change your name/character, they offer to work with you so that you can still keep your character idea.
Sounds to me like you're just causing trouble for the sake of it.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Damian7, just so we have this clear you are a total fantasist a big time charlie who lives his dumb little life through comic books and irritating others, talk is cheap.
I would say based on your attitude, posts and the way you talk that you are a 16 year old who has never done anything, well some of us have boy, you are not even on the level to have a conversation with me. Typical WoW kid or i can't remember correctly did you say you were a soldier? lol all that means is that you would get your head kicked in while trying to demonstrate the meager skills you learnt in military school.
you and a few others on this thread exemplify why the internet is a bad thing, because you get inferior people trying to fight against reality.
Maybe you have never read a book and do not know the atrocities Stalin commited and your idiocy is based on pure ignorance, either way through ignorance or arrogance your still a complete idiot.
Want to ENJOY an mmo?
Dont start a guild and dont be a leader or volunteer to be coleader or captain.
Just play the damn game:)
BTW i did get suspended for 72 hours.If they had simply ASKED me ingame i would have gladly changed it.Im not causing trouble im simply pointing out the naming policy and just how inconsistent it is.
Want to ENJOY an mmo?
Dont start a guild and dont be a leader or volunteer to be coleader or captain.
Just play the damn game:)
Being noticed for something like that isn't a necessarily a good thing. First thing I thought was that you couldn't spell. I'm sure I'm not alone.
But anyway, let the spoltlight go back on you.
Hang on, the Japanese didn't deserve internment camps?
Have you heard about the Japanese run internment camps? Do you have some glamourous ideal that Japanese were the kind of warm beautiful pacifists they are today?
Japan and Russia are traditional enemies. It's was Japans decision not to attack Russia that freed up it's eastern Armies and allowed it to reinforce Stalingrad, dooming Germany.
How many Chinese were killed in WW2? You can tell me how many Russians and Americans and Germans. But the Chinese? No one bothered to count.
We are living in a different world today. Putting Japanese people living in America, where the war never reached, in internment camps wasn't harsh at all. I bet they were treated well. Japanese people hadn't raped and butchered their way across America sending all they captured for torture or to death camps. The circumstances of Japanese internments in the U.S. during WW2 were not anything like the same as in the eastern front. They do not compare. America was never under threat, it's civilians never abused or systematically eradicated. Different worlds. The same standards do not apply. You will notice after 9/11 America treats it's captured enemies somewhat differently.
Stalins labour camps were not "basically death camps". There were plenty of "death camps" around, but Stalin's were labour camps, prisoners were allowed to work no more than 8 hours a day and were not allowed to be placed on reduced rations, The facist Ukranians on the other hand, ran death camps where the people were systematically starved to death and used for medical experiments. The Germans gassed them.
And yes Stalin probably did kill people for their political beliefs and out of paranoia and fear. So did the Pope. What's your point? These are extremely common reasons to kill people. Today we still kill people who are the enemies of democracy or terrorists who we fear. Why is it only evil if Stalin does it?
@Analfaye, Yes, bugger about the Poles after the war, not much we could do. That wasn't a fight we could have won. Pretty much, what you describe is the beginning of the cold war and this is the point where Stalin's history starts to blend with propaganda. Did Stalin want to overrun all of Europe? maybe. If he did, it's very strange why he didn't attempt to take a totally undefended Austria. Stalin had the same primary motivation we all did. Revenge.
Sorry Signe but how many of these people are playing online games?
You survived the gulag and are now playing COH? Name names.
Use your own head, this is utter nonsense. There are precisiely zero 90 year old soviet gulag survivors in COH.
Should we ban all war movies and WW2 games too? What about books or comics with Stalins name? Shall I destroy my copy of Command & Conquer: Red Alert?
How about history classes? Perhaps a gluag victim could attend one of those also?
Lets burn all the books!
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This is a very flimsy excuse indeed.
The only valid excuse that I see is that people might start flaming in game. For myself, it is those that flame in this circumstance that would be stupid. Just a load of people with nothing better to do than try and inflict their moral high ground on other people about a subject which doesn't upset them or disturb their lives one iota, other than providing them with an easy target. Very very poor.
The biggest DUH of it all (and that is no TLA) is that the topic isn't "They shouln't be bothered by my incorporating the name of Stalin in my character's name", nor "Stalin was justified".
The problem is more along these lines: Use an unacceptable name once - in good faith - and get a 72 hour ban when you would willingly have changed your name.
The no-tolerance line is defined in the EULA, and their decision as such is acceptable. Reading EULA's might be a good trick, even if it is more often a waste of time. So, it is the OP's fault for not reading the EULA. To an extent.
There is one other thing to consider: Villains as a theme, soviet references as an accepted part of the game. Unless Stalin is somewhere explicitly defined as "illegal" the rule you have broken (and are immediately banned for) is fleshed out on the fly. Almost like rolling down the highway, looking at that BLANK speed limit sign. When you hit seventy the cops overtake you and define the speed limit to sixty.
He could have stayed on the safe side, but the point is that banning (even temporarily) on that basis is poor policy. Infractions that could be accidental should go with warning and correction. (Although it renders the sign useless, I wouldn't object if the policeman said "Speed limit here's sixty, you go slower from now on and I don't want to see you hitting seventy again.")
The point didn't really get across to the COV staff either...
"I am sorry to read that you are upset over the decision to remove Stalin's HAMMER from the game."
I mean... I hope that the complaint wasn't so poorly expressed as to actually give the impression you were trying to keep your name rather than lift the ban (or whatever you were trying, OP). Because you have, during this thread and the last thread on the topic, made it very clear you had no objection to changing your name - only to sitting out a 72 hour penalty for having broken a loosely defined rule.
And it doesn't make any difference if it "should be obvious" that Stalin is a poor choice. 70 mph is fast, but hey - it's the highway?
Similar problem: I have a friend who wears a coat which he thinks looks really good. He also knows that some german organization is associated with similar articles of clothing. Does he think anybody's going to care? No. Do they? Yes. Those who are close to actual victims, and those who are old enough to remember do react. To me it is just a coat. Not saying that the Stalin reference isn't obvious, but implying that its significance is no longer universally understood.
The future: Adellion
Common flaw in MMORPGs: The ability to die casually
Advantages of Adellion: Dynamic world (affected by its inhabitants)
Player-driven world (beasts won't be an endless supply of mighty swords, gold will come from mines, not dragonly dens)
Player-driven world (Leadership is the privilege of a player, not an npc)
cuss more, it shows you have passion. oh wait, it means that you are unable to actually articulate intelligent comments and are frustrated at something...
last i checked, you can be nazi, communist, a supporter of charles manson, bundy, whomever you so choose, in this country.
yup, it's still that way.
so, you're ok with an entire faction of NAZIS running around in coh since it's release two years ago, but the name "stalin's hammer" upsets you. you're either a hypocrite or um, *brilliant*.
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wow, just wow. so you are ok with nazis, just not stalin. and i'm the idiot? wow.
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Sorry Signe but how many of these people are playing online games?
You survived the gulag and are now playing COH? Name names.
Use your own head, this is utter nonsense. There are precisiely zero 90 year old soviet gulag survivors in COH.
Should we ban all war movies and WW2 games too? What about books or comics with Stalins name? Shall I destroy my copy of Command & Conquer: Red Alert?
How about history classes? Perhaps a gluag victim could attend one of those also?
Lets burn all the books!
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This is a very flimsy excuse indeed.
The only valid excuse that I see is that people might start flaming in game. For myself, it is those that flame in this circumstance that would be stupid. Just a load of people with nothing better to do than try and inflict their moral high ground on other people about a subject which doesn't upset them or disturb their lives one iota, other than providing them with an easy target. Very very poor.
judging from the name-callers in this thread, that's EXACTLY what they want. burn the books, destroy all knowledge, to hell with personal freedoms.
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"Under the dictatorship of Joseph Stalin, tens of millions of ordinary individuals were executed or imprisoned in labour camps that were little more than death camps. Perceived political orientation was the key variable in these mass atrocities. But gender played an important role, and in many respects the Purge period of Soviet history can be considered the worst gendercide of the twentieth century."
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So the OP thinks NCSoft is wrong for objecting to "Stalin's Hammer"?
Whatever.
~ Ancient Membership ~
Gendercide?
Where did you get that quote from? Actually Stalin is number 2. behind Mao Zedong when it comes to genocide, but that's a tale for another day.
WTG, Poultry or Paltry or whatever your name is, look what you've started.
going by that understanding, i don't see why he shouldn't be allowed the name if he so chose it for a villain in a game that is about murderers, kidnappers, extortionists and seemingly genocidal wouldbe world conquerors.
like i said, coh has had nazis since a looooooooooong time ago.
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