My rating of DnL

SirAvatar · June 2006

I'm probably going to be flamed to death, so I'll but on my flame retardand suit...

Graphics: 8
Yes. I've turned all options on. I have high distant views and even in close-ups a it looks good for me. Good enough to enjoy it. There are some things that need to be reworked, mostly in UI but that is Skinnable (XML definitions) so I expect, once the community calms down a bit, more people will start making the UI look better.

Sound: 7
Sounds are nice. Background music is good. It's not to distracting, yet it gives a sense of immersion.

RP: 9
Being with friends, able to play the lone hunter/ranger/resource gatherer is a lot of fun for me. Others probably don't like that playstyle tho.

Value: 6
Overall value I'd say could be much better. Even tho launch was rather smooth (no downtime as far as I know), afterwards there are issues with bugs, logging in and patches. This definately is below par. Yet, for those able to login, you can experience parts of the game. Also the manual supplied is for most way below standards.

Fun: 8
Having to figure out how things works is a blast for me... Trying things, getting burned or not... That's my fun. Helping others is too. Having no decent manual helps with that too

Community: 3
Way below maturity levels. DnL forums as well as other places people flaming eachother, calling names, etc. I personally do not like it one bit. Good thing I have my own community of mature players.

Performance/Lag: 6
Graphics FPS is on the low side, but probably can be improved by chaning my own settings (turning down graphics options to gain more performance instead of quality). Also some unverified source said that this weekend a new patch will be put out addressing the FPS issue. Other then that, I don't experience many problems at al with lag or performance. Compared to other games, it takes some power to run. But then again, so does Ryzom...

Customer Service: 6
On the slow side, feedback trickling in. Should be faster and more. But in general, when answering issues, they're polite, friendly and helpfull as much as they can.

Average: 6.6

MikeMonger · June 2006

Do you realize that if you exclude the 3 rating for community, you've given this game an overall rating of over 7? Even the hardest of the hard core fanbois haven't gone this far.

So, one of two things is true...

1. This is a troll post.

2. You really are stupid enough to believe what you wrote.

Either way, there's no point in even wasting time discussing this with you.

SirAvatar · June 2006

Originally posted by MikeMonger

Do you realize that if you exclude the 3 rating for community, you've given this game an overall rating of over 7? Even the hardest of the hard core fanbois haven't gone this far.
So, one of two things is true...
1. This is a troll post.
2. You really are stupid enough to believe what you wrote.
Either way, there's no point in even wasting time discussing this with you.

See here a perfect example of a closed negative mind.

1. It's not a troll post.
2. I do not believe what i wrote, I stand BEHIND it.
I even backed it up reasoning WHY i gave those ratings.

You otoh cannot add anything to this discussion but name calling and attacking my post without reason. That's called trolling.

And I do agree with your last sentence. Please leave if you don't know how to discuss properly. If you thought it was a waste of time discussing it with me, then why did you come in here the first place. That's called trolling too.

MikeMonger · June 2006

Originally posted by Avayat-

See here a perfect example of a closed negative mind.

1. It's not a troll post.
2. I do not believe what i wrote, I stand BEHIND it.
I even backed it up reasoning WHY i gave those ratings.

You otoh cannot add anything to this discussion but name calling and attacking my post without reason. That's called trolling.

And I do agree with your last sentence. Please leave if you don't know how to discuss properly. If you thought it was a waste of time discussing it with me, then why did you come in here the first place. That's called trolling too.

So let me see if I understand this.

1. The wider gaming community has given this game an average rating of 3.7.

2. You come on here and give this game a rating of nearly TWICE that.

And you expect NOT to get trolled?

I find that amusing.

And you don't want a proper disucssion. You want to discuss how great an obviously bad game is. Another sure sign that this is merely a troll thread.

SirAvatar · June 2006

Originally posted by MikeMonger

Originally posted by Avayat-
See here a perfect example of a closed negative mind.

1. It's not a troll post.
2. I do not believe what i wrote, I stand BEHIND it.
I even backed it up reasoning WHY i gave those ratings.

You otoh cannot add anything to this discussion but name calling and attacking my post without reason. That's called trolling.

And I do agree with your last sentence. Please leave if you don't know how to discuss properly. If you thought it was a waste of time discussing it with me, then why did you come in here the first place. That's called trolling too.

So let me see if I understand this.

1. The wider gaming community has given this game an average rating of 3.7.

2. You come on here and give this game a rating of nearly TWICE that.

And you expect NOT to get trolled?

I find that amusing.

And you don't want a proper disucssion. You want to discuss how great an obviously bad game is. Another sure sign that this is merely a troll thread.

You're accusing me of being a troll but commit yourself being a troll...
You can find it amusing all you want. As long as you don't have anything MEANINGfull to say, stay away.
If you have something to say, then post all your ratings (probably all 1 just as all the other people with the same mindset as yourself) and try to defend why you put 1s for all ratings instead...

I cannot help that Roleplay weighs MORE in an MMORPG for ME then for someone else. If that increases the avg, so be it...

freethinker · June 2006

Originally posted by MikeMonger

Do you realize that if you exclude the 3 rating for community, you've given this game an overall rating of over 7? Even the hardest of the hard core fanbois haven't gone this far.
So, one of two things is true...
1. This is a troll post.

please...how can this be a troll post when he's outlined excatley why he likes the game. he did so without attacking or goading anyone.

"troll" <-- i don't thing that words means what you think it means

2. I really think you're stupid because you gave it a higher score than I think it deserves.

Either way, there's no point in even wasting time discussing this with you.

There..fixed that for you.

Anyway... there's no point in discussing because he's simply posted what he likes about the game. You are the one trying to start flames and get a reaction out of someone you disagree with. That actually makes you the troll, nimrod.

blacksac · June 2006

Every time someone, anyone posts a postive thing about DnL he/she gets flamed/griefed

No one seems able to just let people talk in peace, and be open

One reason I'm sure you dont see more positive posts is because they get attacked on sight. I'm one of those people who does not get into discussion no where near as much as I would like becuase of this.

This board is being censored in my opinion by the hecklers

I don't normally post personal feelings, but this has to stop for the sake of civilty and fairness

MikeMonger · June 2006

Originally posted by Avayat-

You're accusing me of being a troll but commit yourself being a troll...
You can find it amusing all you want. As long as you don't have anything MEANINGfull to say, stay away.
If you have something to say, then post all your ratings (probably all 1 just as all the other people with the same mindset as yourself) and try to defend why you put 1s for all ratings instead...

I cannot help that Roleplay weighs MORE in an MMORPG for ME then for someone else. If that increases the avg, so be it...

Yes. It's called counter-trolling. Heh heh.

How do I know you're trolling? Because on the one hand, you repeatedly call for "meaningful" discussion, while on the other hand, you've already dismissed everyone who disagrees with you as "closed minded".

Not only that, but you've chosen to try to defend this game on a forum NOTORIOUS for being populated with DnL hatebois. That right there shows that you're only intention is to stir up some stuff.

I see that you've recently flooded this forum with pro-DnL posts, to the point where people are accusing you of being a Farlan-payed shill. It's just one more indication of the trollish nature of your posts.

I don't think you're a Farlan-payed shill, btw.

Shadus · June 2006

Originally posted by Avayat-
I'm probably going to be flamed to death, so I'll but on my flame retardand suit... Graphics: 8Yes. I've turned all options on. I have high distant views and even in close-ups a it looks good for me. Good enough to enjoy it. There are some things that need to be reworked, mostly in UI but that is Skinnable (XML definitions) so I expect, once the community calms down a bit, more people will start making the UI look better.The graphics are extremely subpar for it's generation, the view distance is nice, but it's also one of hte major contribuations to the state of lag. Shrug. I'd put it above ac1, lower than daoc as far as models go... when you talk about terrain its very nice, pretty and diverse, but terrain isnt why most people play a game. 3Sound: 7Sounds are nice. Background music is good. It's not to distracting, yet it gives a sense of immersion.The sounds aren't bad, the music I can't comment on, I don't recall the last game I didnt immediately turn that off/down/ignore in. 7RP: 9Being with friends, able to play the lone hunter/ranger/resource gatherer is a lot of fun for me. Others probably don't like that playstyle tho.Okie, I'm a stickler here. RP in a game has to be the global community and how well the company is supporting rp. I'd give pre-cu starwars a good rating on that... just because you have a good group of roleplayers doesnt mean the game in general is friendly or good for roleplayers. The community sucks more or a less... so does the roleplaying because of it. I had someone come up to me and go "hahaha yer die n00b. lolzz!!" and proceed to watch me die, rp down the tubes. 3 Value: 6Overall value I'd say could be much better. Even tho launch was rather smooth (no downtime as far as I know), afterwards there are issues with bugs, logging in and patches. This definately is below par. Yet, for those able to login, you can experience parts of the game. Also the manual supplied is for most way below standards.Yer definition of smooth and mine are different heh. There's alot *alot* of general bugs with the launch and d&l in general... billing system, login, contact info or cant login (even though the field wasnt required), etc... problems with the preorder accounts, etc. They screwed the pooch, not so much from a game perspective but from a real world perspective. Seen better, seen worse. 5Fun: 8Having to figure out how things works is a blast for me... Trying things, getting burned or not... That's my fun. Helping others is too. Having no decent manual helps with that too2. Bugs... lag... lack of instruction/intuitive interface/missing promised featuresCommunity: 3Way below maturity levels. DnL forums as well as other places people flaming eachother, calling names, etc. I personally do not like it one bit. Good thing I have my own community of mature players.No arguement there. 3Performance/Lag: 6Graphics FPS is on the low side, but probably can be improved by chaning my own settings (turning down graphics options to gain more performance instead of quality). Also some unverified source said that this weekend a new patch will be put out addressing the FPS issue. Other then that, I don't experience many problems at al with lag or performance. Compared to other games, it takes some power to run. But then again, so does Ryzom...*HORRIBLE* for the graphics quality. It burnses. Compared to games with equivilent or better graphics it runs like dog crap. This is probally the hands down worst performing engine i've ever seen in my entire life. Ryzom is about the same graphics quality maybe slightly better on models in some cases and slightly worse in others... however it runs like greased lightning on my rig even near max settings. This game runs like crap even with everything turned off. 3Customer Service: 6On the slow side, feedback trickling in. Should be faster and more. But in general, when answering issues, they're polite, friendly and helpfull as much as they can.C to R to A to P... What's that spell? 1-- Although only because I'd be hard pressed to put any game above a 4 on this rating so ~shrug~... i'd give a zero but i can imagine it getting worse or another game topping them.Average: 6.6Average: 3.4

SirAvatar · June 2006

Originally posted by MikeMonger

Yes. It's called counter-trolling. Heh heh.
How do I know you're trolling? Because on the one hand, you repeatedly call for "meaningful" discussion, while on the other hand, you've already dismissed everyone who disagrees with you as "closed minded".
Not only that, but you've chosen to try to defend this game on a forum NOTORIOUS for being populated with DnL hatebois. That right there shows that you're only intention is to stir up some stuff.
I see that you've recently flooded this forum with pro-DnL posts, to the point where people are accusing you of being a Farlan-payed shill. It's just one more indication of the trollish nature of your posts.
I don't think you're a Farlan-payed shill, btw.

You know, that's hilarious.. Counter trolling. I never heard that one before.

Your statement of me dismissing everyone to disagree with me as closed minded: point out where I did.
When there is some sort of discussion, I never called someone cosed minded. Only those who cannot do anything else but trolling (or counter-trolling), flaming and calling names.

It's very abviously why you have no clue why I'm so outspoken about DnL:
- because on one else dares because of the hatebois, as you said yourself.
- I care about the game, because I still believe it has potential that needs to be unlocked

And now, this dialog between us ends here, because it's digressing from my OP.
Have a nice day.

freethinker · June 2006

Detailing why you beleive a game to be genuinly good is not trolling. It's called stating your opinion. I disagree with the OP too. I think DnL friggin stinks. But what's wrong with respecting someone else's opinion with which you might disagree. Not being able to handle a difference of opinion is incredibly close minded, so it sounds to me like he was right-on by calling you closed minded.

MikeMonger · June 2006

*sigh* Fine. Shall I point out WHY this is a troll post?

Originally posted by Avayat-
I'm probably going to be flamed to death, so I'll but on my flame retardand suit...

Graphics: 8
Yes. I've turned all options on. I have high distant views and even in close-ups a it looks good for me. Good enough to enjoy it. There are some things that need to be reworked, mostly in UI but that is Skinnable (XML definitions) so I expect, once the community calms down a bit, more people will start making the UI look better.

By any standard, the graphics are sub par. While selected background screenshots can look impressive, the models ALL look terrible. Jagged, primative, poorly animated. I don't care if you set it to extra super-duper graphics mode, the textures are inarguably primative. Therefore, the game obviously does not deserve a graphics rating of 8, which would put it at the top of the world of MMORPG graphics.

Sound: 7
Sounds are nice. Background music is good. It's not to distracting, yet it gives a sense of immersion.

Sounds are basic, uninspired, and not exceptional in any way. At best, they're adequate. At worst, they're repetative and boring.

RP: 9
Being with friends, able to play the lone hunter/ranger/resource gatherer is a lot of fun for me. Others probably don't like that playstyle tho.

Uh, you've just described a basic funtion of ANY MMORPG. The ability to solo? The ability to hang out with friends? This is a bare minimum requirement of an MMORPG, and therefore, is hardly deserving of the 9 you've given it. Not only that, but none of the things that allow RP'ing (fortresses, etc) are even implemented yet!

Value: 6
Overall value I'd say could be much better. Even tho launch was rather smooth (no downtime as far as I know), afterwards there are issues with bugs, logging in and patches. This definately is below par. Yet, for those able to login, you can experience parts of the game. Also the manual supplied is for most way below standards.

It's overpriced. No PC game costs more that $49 anymore. By your admission, it's "below par". "Par" is average. Average in a 10 point scale is 5. Therefore, the highest you should have given this is a 4 (the base definition of "below par" on a 10 point scale).

Fun: 8
Having to figure out how things works is a blast for me... Trying things, getting burned or not... That's my fun. Helping others is too. Having no decent manual helps with that too

This one's completely subjective. You've just said that having no game manual (for an overpriced game, no less) , no tutorial, and no instruction from Farlan is "fun" for you. Can't really argue with that.

Community: 3
Way below maturity levels. DnL forums as well as other places people flaming eachother, calling names, etc. I personally do not like it one bit. Good thing I have my own community of mature players.

Actually, you don't see a whole lot of flaming on the DnL forums anymore, simply because Farlan insta-bans anyone with an anti-DnL attitude. I personally give the community a 1 because they're a bunch of self-deluded fanbois. "They haven't been able to put out a fully funtioning product after 6 years of development, but give them 6 months, and the game will be great!"

Performance/Lag: 6
Graphics FPS is on the low side, but probably can be improved by chaning my own settings (turning down graphics options to gain more performance instead of quality). Also some unverified source said that this weekend a new patch will be put out addressing the FPS issue. Other then that, I don't experience many problems at al with lag or performance. Compared to other games, it takes some power to run. But then again, so does Ryzom...
You've...got to be kidding. Right? 6? THIS is the point that I decided that you were merely trolling.

Customer Service: 6
On the slow side, feedback trickling in. Should be faster and more. But in general, when answering issues, they're polite, friendly and helpfull as much as they can.
Again, you're kidding, right? WHAT customer service? "If you want a refund, dispute the CC charge."

Average: 6.6

And if you leave off the 3 for community, the average rounds up to 7.2, which is far, far, FAR too high for the game at this stage of it's lifetime. This is, as of right now, a completely sub-average game, in EVERY respect (content, gameplay, graphics, etc). On a 10 point scale, 5 is average. Therefore, anything above a rating of 5 is biased and unjustified. Anything 7 or higher is well above average, and by NO standard is this game well above average.

So, I shall reiterate. You're either a fanboi (because of the wildly unjustified ratings you've given it), or this is a troll post. I vote troll post, since most of the fanbois have moved onto the safety of the DnL forums.

SirAvatar · June 2006

Originally posted by Shadus

Originally posted by Avayat-
I'm probably going to be flamed to death, so I'll but on my flame retardand suit... Graphics: 8Yes. I've turned all options on. I have high distant views and even in close-ups a it looks good for me. Good enough to enjoy it. There are some things that need to be reworked, mostly in UI but that is Skinnable (XML definitions) so I expect, once the community calms down a bit, more people will start making the UI look better.

The graphics are extremely subpar for it's generation, the view distance is nice, but it's also one of hte major contribuations to the state of lag. Shrug. I'd put it above ac1, lower than daoc as far as models go... when you talk about terrain its very nice, pretty and diverse, but terrain isnt why most people play a game. 3
Probably, but as the hunter/Ranger, I pay more attention to my surroundings and landscape to seek out opponents, to lay my traps and so on. So for me it helps. Guess I'm one of the outcast how I play the game.

RP: 9Being with friends, able to play the lone hunter/ranger/resource gatherer is a lot of fun for me. Others probably don't like that playstyle tho.
Okie, I'm a stickler here. RP in a game has to be the global community and how well the company is supporting rp. I'd give pre-cu starwars a good rating on that... just because you have a good group of roleplayers doesnt mean the game in general is friendly or good for roleplayers. The community sucks more or a less... so does the roleplaying because of it. I had someone come up to me and go "hahaha yer die n00b. lolzz!!" and proceed to watch me die, rp down the tubes. 3
You can differentiate in 2 communities. The in-game community I've been playing with as well as my own community (ex SWG Rangers), it's good to play with. If you consider the forum community and the few grievers ing-game (indeed, with the leetspeak), then yes, RP is difficult.

Value: 6Overall value I'd say could be much better. Even tho launch was rather smooth (no downtime as far as I know), afterwards there are issues with bugs, logging in and patches. This definately is below par. Yet, for those able to login, you can experience parts of the game. Also the manual supplied is for most way below standards.
Yer definition of smooth and mine are different heh. There's alot *alot* of general bugs with the launch and d&l in general... billing system, login, contact info or cant login (even though the field wasnt required), etc... problems with the preorder accounts, etc. They screwed the pooch, not so much from a game perspective but from a real world perspective. Seen better, seen worse. 5
Not definition.. Experience in what happened. When it was ready, I only had to redownload the client, because my network connection had a glitch, so the exe was corrupted. After a retry, it was install, fill in accountname and password, create toon and I was in game. That in itself was better then Seed's launch and even SWGs launch 3 years ago. But again, that was my personal experience.

Customer Service: 6On the slow side, feedback trickling in. Should be faster and more. But in general, when answering issues, they're polite, friendly and helpfull as much as they can.
C to R to A to P... What's that spell? 1-- Although only because I'd be hard pressed to put any game above a 4 on this rating so ~shrug~... i'd give a zero but i can imagine it getting worse or another game topping them.
I can and have mentioned them several times before. Again, from personal experience.

Average: 6.6
Average: 3.4

Thanks for a normal reply for once...

Wally · June 2006

To The OP

Please put down the crack pipe.

MikeMonger · June 2006

Originally posted by Avayat-

You know, that's hilarious.. Counter trolling. I never heard that one before.

Heh. Learned the term in the SWG forums, back in the day.

Your statement of me dismissing everyone to disagree with me as closed minded: point out where I did.

This was based on several posts you've made in several threads.

When there is some sort of discussion, I never called someone cosed minded. Only those who cannot do anything else but trolling (or counter-trolling), flaming and calling names.

But what's the point? You're trying to "discuss" your opinion in a notoriously hostile environment. You'll get few people who agree with you. Are they going to change your mind? Are you going to change theirs? Opinions have been set, and EVERYBODY'S being closed minded about it. The only difference between you and me is, I'm skipping all the pointless debate and getting right to the root of the issue...fanboi vs hateboi.

It's very abviously why you have no clue why I'm so outspoken about DnL:

I actually do have a clue..you're either a fanboi or a troll. I choose troll.

- because on one else dares because of the hatebois, as you said yourself.

Exactly what do you accomplish by coming on here making patently untrue and EXTREMELY biased statements? That's right...nothing.

- I care about the game, because I still believe it has potential that needs to be unlocked

And that belief is based on....absolutely nothing. Farlan has done nothing but fail fail FAIL. "Beta was not SoG". "SoG was not DnL". All lies. All indicative of the inability of Farlan to accomplish what they said they set out to do.

And now, this dialog between us ends here, because it's digressing from my OP.
Have a nice day.

Fine fine fine sheesh.

MikeMonger · June 2006

Originally posted by freethinker
Detailing why you beleive a game to be genuinly good is not trolling. It's called stating your opinion. I disagree with the OP too. I think DnL friggin stinks. But what's wrong with respecting someone else's opinion with which you might disagree. Not being able to handle a difference of opinion is incredibly close minded, so it sounds to me like he was right-on by calling you closed minded.

And when an opinion can actually be justified, instead of based on EXTREMELY biased numbers, I'll discuss it. As it is, the OP is a troll, simply meant to stir up trouble, OR the delusional ramblings of a fanboi.

SirAvatar · June 2006

Originally posted by MikeMonger

*sigh* Fine. Shall I point out WHY this is a troll post?

Originally posted by Avayat-
I'm probably going to be flamed to death, so I'll but on my flame retardand suit...

Graphics: 8
Yes. I've turned all options on. I have high distant views and even in close-ups a it looks good for me. Good enough to enjoy it. There are some things that need to be reworked, mostly in UI but that is Skinnable (XML definitions) so I expect, once the community calms down a bit, more people will start making the UI look better.
By any standard, the graphics are sub par. While selected background screenshots can look impressive, the models ALL look terrible. Jagged, primative, poorly animated. I don't care if you set it to extra super-duper graphics mode, the textures are inarguably primative. Therefore, the game obviously does not deserve a graphics rating of 8, which would put it at the top of the world of MMORPG graphics.
As said in another post, I don't care much for the models but about my surroundings, landscape and such. And that is why I give it a high rating. It helps me greatly with my playstyle.

Sound: 7
Sounds are nice. Background music is good. It's not to distracting, yet it gives a sense of immersion.
Sounds are basic, uninspired, and not exceptional in any way. At best, they're adequate. At worst, they're repetative and boring.
Personal taste, which is different for everyone.

RP: 9
Being with friends, able to play the lone hunter/ranger/resource gatherer is a lot of fun for me. Others probably don't like that playstyle tho.
Uh, you've just described a basic funtion of ANY MMORPG. The ability to solo? The ability to hang out with friends? This is a bare minimum requirement of an MMORPG, and therefore, is hardly deserving of the 9 you've given it. Not only that, but none of the things that allow RP'ing (fortresses, etc) are even implemented yet!
Bring that statement to SWG forums please. You'll be hosed down by. It should be like that yes, but because I tend to find and work with people that have a similar mindset _and_ playstyle as my own it's hard to find them in other games. But I've found them in DnL... That's what counts.

Value: 6
Overall value I'd say could be much better. Even tho launch was rather smooth (no downtime as far as I know), afterwards there are issues with bugs, logging in and patches. This definately is below par. Yet, for those able to login, you can experience parts of the game. Also the manual supplied is for most way below standards.
It's overpriced. No PC game costs more that $49 anymore. By your admission, it's "below par". "Par" is average. Average in a 10 point scale is 5. Therefore, the highest you should have given this is a 4 (the base definition of "below par" on a 10 point scale).
Initial buyprice is overpriced. I agree with that. However, there is the choice for a free subscription allowing to play at no additional cost unless you choose to. Only 2 other games give the same: Shadowbane (which is no longer maintained afaik) and GW. Since I've choosen the free subscription, I think my value is justified.

Community: 3
Way below maturity levels. DnL forums as well as other places people flaming eachother, calling names, etc. I personally do not like it one bit. Good thing I have my own community of mature players.

Actually, you don't see a whole lot of flaming on the DnL forums anymore, simply because Farlan insta-bans anyone with an anti-DnL attitude. I personally give the community a 1 because they're a bunch of self-deluded fanbois. "They haven't been able to put out a fully funtioning product after 6 years of development, but give them 6 months, and the game will be great!"
It was before the put the insta bans and such... With this in place, hopefully the community will grow some positive expects. DnL forums were like here: everyone that tried to be optimistic got hosed down and threads were moving up to next pages so fast because of all the hate-posts. Again, I don't mind negative opinions, as long as their is a mature behaviour behind it. Much like this discussion now.

Performance/Lag: 6
Graphics FPS is on the low side, but probably can be improved by chaning my own settings (turning down graphics options to gain more performance instead of quality). Also some unverified source said that this weekend a new patch will be put out addressing the FPS issue. Other then that, I don't experience many problems at al with lag or performance. Compared to other games, it takes some power to run. But then again, so does Ryzom...
You've...got to be kidding. Right? 6? THIS is the point that I decided that you were merely trolling.

Explain why? As said, from MY personal experience, I've not encountered problems with Lag. Yes, I've heard and read many posts about those who have. But I cannot let that influence my rating, which is based on my experiences. From your comment I make that you have experienced lag and performance issues. That's unfortunate.
I've not balanced my graphics yet for somewhat better performance yet (because I like landscapes) I have about 6-8 FPS in towns and 10-14 FPS outside. Which is enough for me for tactical combat. Really. When I get in combat, it merely takes seconds before my (PvE) opponent is taken down. So I have nothing to complain about.

Customer Service: 6
On the slow side, feedback trickling in. Should be faster and more. But in general, when answering issues, they're polite, friendly and helpfull as much as they can.
Again, you're kidding, right? WHAT customer service? "If you want a refund, dispute the CC charge."
I don't use a CC and I have no need for a refund. Some times when I posted PM to mods or used the website to handle some issues, I got decent answers. Mods are fast (usually within few hours), website (AD) takes longer (few days).

Average: 6.6

And if you leave off the 3 for community, the average rounds up to 7.2, which is far, far, FAR too high for the game at this stage of it's lifetime. This is, as of right now, a completely sub-average game, in EVERY respect (content, gameplay, graphics, etc). On a 10 point scale, 5 is average. Therefore, anything above a rating of 5 is biased and unjustified. Anything 7 or higher is well above average, and by NO standard is this game well above average.
As explained, my rating I gave are still sufficient for me. That you disagree with my rating that's your perogative. Attacking me for my avg rating however is not.

So, I shall reiterate. You're either a fanboi (because of the wildly unjustified ratings you've given it), or this is a troll post. I vote troll post, since most of the fanbois have moved onto the safety of the DnL forums.

And as I've demonstrated again. it's neither. My ratings are defined based on my personal experiences, unbiased from reviews/rating/experiences of others. That's what a rating should be. That you disagree with my given/specified ratings is purely your problem. Accusing me of trolling is way out of line.

SirAvatar · June 2006

Originally posted by Wally

To The OP

Please put down the crack pipe.

Please leave this thread if you cannot do anything but trying to insult me...

SirAvatar · June 2006

Originally posted by MikeMonger

Originally posted by Avayat-

Your statement of me dismissing everyone to disagree with me as closed minded: point out where I did.
This was based on several posts you've made in several threads.
That doesn't cut it. I stick with my remark: point out where I did.
When there is some sort of discussion, I never called someone cosed minded. Only those who cannot do anything else but trolling (or counter-trolling), flaming and calling names.
But what's the point? You're trying to "discuss" your opinion in a notoriously hostile environment. You'll get few people who agree with you. Are they going to change your mind? Are you going to change theirs? Opinions have been set, and EVERYBODY'S being closed minded about it. The only difference between you and me is, I'm skipping all the pointless debate and getting right to the root of the issue...fanboi vs hateboi.
I'm not trying to change peoples minds. I'm trying to give an honest impression of my own experiences for new people that would otherwise only see negative insults and responses.

It's very abviously why you have no clue why I'm so outspoken about DnL:
I actually do have a clue..you're either a fanboi or a troll. I choose troll.
You choose whatever you want. I'm neither.

- because on one else dares because of the hatebois, as you said yourself.
Exactly what do you accomplish by coming on here making patently untrue and EXTREMELY biased statements? That's right...nothing.
As explained in previous paragraph of mine, trying to bring in a bit more positive energy in this forsaken negative environment.

- I care about the game, because I still believe it has potential that needs to be unlocked
And that belief is based on....absolutely nothing. Farlan has done nothing but fail fail FAIL. "Beta was not SoG". "SoG was not DnL". All lies. All indicative of the inability of Farlan to accomplish what they said they set out to do.

How I come to believe what I do is what I see happening. Things are getting changed. They are trying to fix things. So I decided to give some support. If it won't help and they keep failing as you say, well there are other games on the release-horizon. Until then, I've decided to give them the benefit of the doubt. It's not your place to question my believe in this case. You clearly decided otherwise, I don't attack you for that either now, do I?

And now, this dialog between us ends here, because it's digressing from my OP.
Have a nice day.

Fine fine fine sheesh.

MikeMonger · June 2006

Originally posted by Avayat-

And as I've demonstrated again. it's neither. My ratings are defined based on my personal experiences, unbiased from reviews/rating/experiences of others. That's what a rating should be. That you disagree with my given/specified ratings is purely your problem. Accusing me of trolling is way out of line.

And yet....everybody BUT YOU is closed minded.

You like the game. Most people do not share your opinion. I've responded to each of your points with extremely commonly held opinions of other people and a couple of hard core facts, and your response?

"I don't care."

This is your definition of "meaningful discussion".

And thus, I name you troll. Because it doesn't matter how people respond to your OP. You're ALWAYS going to respond with:

"I don't care."

blacksac · June 2006

^ well that's because it's his opinion, and to him that is all that should matter. If he is having fun, he is having fun, and nothing can change that for him

MikeMonger · June 2006

Originally posted by Avayat-

Originally posted by MikeMonger

Originally posted by Avayat-

Your statement of me dismissing everyone to disagree with me as closed minded: point out where I did.
This was based on several posts you've made in several threads.
That doesn't cut it. I stick with my remark: point out where I did.
When there is some sort of discussion, I never called someone cosed minded. Only those who cannot do anything else but trolling (or counter-trolling), flaming and calling names.
But what's the point? You're trying to "discuss" your opinion in a notoriously hostile environment. You'll get few people who agree with you. Are they going to change your mind? Are you going to change theirs? Opinions have been set, and EVERYBODY'S being closed minded about it. The only difference between you and me is, I'm skipping all the pointless debate and getting right to the root of the issue...fanboi vs hateboi.
I'm not trying to change peoples minds. I'm trying to give an honest impression of my own experiences for new people that would otherwise only see negative insults and responses.

It's very abviously why you have no clue why I'm so outspoken about DnL:
I actually do have a clue..you're either a fanboi or a troll. I choose troll.
You choose whatever you want. I'm neither.

- because on one else dares because of the hatebois, as you said yourself.
Exactly what do you accomplish by coming on here making patently untrue and EXTREMELY biased statements? That's right...nothing.
As explained in previous paragraph of mine, trying to bring in a bit more positive energy in this forsaken negative environment.

- I care about the game, because I still believe it has potential that needs to be unlocked
And that belief is based on....absolutely nothing. Farlan has done nothing but fail fail FAIL. "Beta was not SoG". "SoG was not DnL". All lies. All indicative of the inability of Farlan to accomplish what they said they set out to do.

How I come to believe what I do is what I see happening. Things are getting changed. They are trying to fix things. So I decided to give some support. If it won't help and they keep failing as you say, well there are other games on the release-horizon. Until then, I've decided to give them the benefit of the doubt. It's not your place to question my believe in this case. You clearly decided otherwise, I don't attack you for that either now, do I?

And now, this dialog between us ends here, because it's digressing from my OP.
Have a nice day.

Fine fine fine sheesh.

Ok, for the hard of hearing.

When you come into a notoriously hostile environment, and expound upon your own extremely unpopular opinion for NO OTHER PURPOSE than to ellicit a reaction from the many, many hostile people in that environment, you accomplish NOTHING but the creation of flame wars, namecalling, etc.

Since you KNOW for a FACT (by your own admission) that this will be the ultimate result of your efforts, it's called...

...wait for it...

TROLLING!

In a previous post, you admitted that you have no intention of changing anybody's mind, and that nobody is going to change your mind. Therefore, you're not interested in "meaningful debate". You're interested in a clash of opinions. This is also known as...

...wait for it...

TROLLING!

Guess what? Whether you want to be or not, you're a troll, and the only thing this thread accomplishes is trolling.

But, I'm feeding the troll (because I'm really bored right now), so I guess I'm parly responsible for this...

MikeMonger · June 2006

Originally posted by blacksac
^ well that's because it's his opinion, and to him that is all that should matter. If he is having fun, he is having fun, and nothing can change that for him

Oh, that was never the issue blacksac. I merely pointed out that on THESE forums in particular, pointing out an opinion like that is only going to start static, because so few people agree with him. Therefore, the only thing this thread accomplishes is trolling, which makes him a troll.

EDIT: Changed disagree to agree. Sheesh.

blacksac · June 2006

^I could be wrong but I never thought the "spirit" of a trolll was a positive one

SirAvatar · June 2006

Originally posted by MikeMonger

Originally posted by Avayat-

And as I've demonstrated again. it's neither. My ratings are defined based on my personal experiences, unbiased from reviews/rating/experiences of others. That's what a rating should be. That you disagree with my given/specified ratings is purely your problem. Accusing me of trolling is way out of line.

And yet....everybody BUT YOU is closed minded.

You like the game. Most people do not share your opinion. I've responded to each of your points with extremely commonly held opinions of other people and a couple of hard core facts, and your response?

"I don't care."

If you had read the whole discussion and my responses on your "commonly held oppositions" you'd have seen I explained myself in cases in more nuance and mroe detail WHY I'd give such rating. You however keep on going ranting about me being a troll, which clearly shows you don't care either.

This is your definition of "meaningful discussion".

And thus, I name you troll. Because it doesn't matter how people respond to your OP. You're ALWAYS going to respond with:

"I don't care."

In fact, at the moment, I do not care, because you already made up your mind of being a troll. Even with well thought out responses to your "commonly held opinions" (note, by saying that means they are not your own, but trying to simulate a fact that many people share your views, if they are really yours, trying to make it look it's the one and only truth) you cannot come up with anyting else then that I must be a troll.

You can't even acknowledge the FACT that I might be different then a "default" or "common" MMORPG player, having other spearpoints to look at in a game. That's why I don't care about YOUR opinion anymore. It's already clear to me: It had nothign to do with the ratings but merely to see if you can mark me as a troll. Even so trying by twisting facts or ignoring them when it's convenient.

Thank you.

MikeMonger · June 2006

Originally posted by blacksac

^I could be wrong but I never thought the "spirit" of a trolll was a positive one

The thread kicks off flamebait. In one post, he labels as "closed minded" anyone who doesn't provide "meaningful discussion". In the next post, he admits that he doesn't care what anybody thinks.

It's subtle, but still a troll. A pretty good one, too.

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