Originally posted by MikeMonger Originally posted by blacksac ^I could be wrong but I never thought the "spirit" of a trolll was a positive one
The thread kicks off flamebait. In one post, he labels as "closed minded" anyone who doesn't provide "meaningful discussion". In the next post, he admits that he doesn't care what anybody thinks.
It's subtle, but still a troll. A pretty good one, too.
Read that post about where I mention "I don't care" again... I still am amazed by some peoples inability to read/understand written text. As seen in other thread, people start interpreting.
Oh really? So the things I stated AREN'T commonly held opinions? Is THAT why the game is getting slammed both on this forum AND IT'S OWN? And if by "well thought out responses" you mean "dismissive responses"....you're absolutely right. The only facts I stuck in there were the the CC thing, and the whole Beta>SoG>DnL thing. Both of which are absolutely true, one which was dismissed, and the other which was completely ignored.
You can't even acknowledge the FACT that I might be different then a "default" or "common" MMORPG player, having other spearpoints to look at in a game.
Heh. The true sign of the troll. "Lets introduce COMPLETELY off the wall arguments!" What the heck are you talking about here? Oh...nevermind.
That's why I don't care about YOUR opinion anymore. It's already clear to me: It had nothign to do with the ratings but merely to see if you can mark me as a troll. Even so trying by twisting facts or ignoring them when it's convenient.
Uh...what facts am I trying to twist? What the heck are you talking about? Oh, and by your own damned admission, you NEVER cared what my opinion was. Your opinion is your opinion, and you're not changing your mind and you're not changing my mind either.
Heh. The ignoring facts line is precious, though. See, that's called "projecting", where you think that someone else is doing what, in reality, you're doing yourself.
Oh really? So the things I stated AREN'T commonly held opinions? Is THAT why the game is getting slammed both on this forum AND IT'S OWN? And if by "well thought out responses" you mean "dismissive responses"....you're absolutely right. The only facts I stuck in there were the the CC thing, and the whole Beta>SoG>DnL thing. Both of which are absolutely true, one which was dismissed, and the other which was completely ignored.
You can't even acknowledge the FACT that I might be different then a "default" or "common" MMORPG player, having other spearpoints to look at in a game. Heh. The true sign of the troll. "Lets introduce COMPLETELY off the wall arguments!" What the heck are you talking about here? Oh...nevermind. Read my review/rating post again. I already stated THERE that my interests in game area's were different. That already accounts for a difference in rating. But you are too blinded to see that. So there is no "off the wall argument" as you put it so nicely.
That's why I don't care about YOUR opinion anymore. It's already clear to me: It had nothign to do with the ratings but merely to see if you can mark me as a troll. Even so trying by twisting facts or ignoring them when it's convenient. Uh...what facts am I trying to twist? What the heck are you talking about? Oh, and by your own damned admission, you NEVER cared what my opinion was. Your opinion is your opinion, and you're not changing your mind and you're not changing my mind either. If I didn't care about your opinion, then why did I respond to it trying to CLARIFY things. I never tried to SWING your opinion as you are trying to do.
Heh. The ignoring facts line is precious, though. See, that's called "projecting", where you think that someone else is doing what, in reality, you're doing yourself.
Thank you.
No. Thank you! Again, thank you. You keep proving my points over and over again.
Read that post about where I mention "I don't care" again... I still am amazed by some peoples inability to read/understand written text. As seen in other thread, people start interpreting.
I have. Any time anybody comes up with a valid counter-argument to one of your reasons for rating the game so high, you respond by either dismissing it is irrelevent, stating it's not important to you, or both.
Which is the primary tool of troll debate. Not only does it shore up your own point, but it also angers the person that made the counterpoints, and keeps them coming back for more abuse.
That's how you're going to respond to EVERY post that addresses your OP point by point. Which is why I stated, back in the beginning, that actual discussion was pointless.
Read my review/rating post again. I already stated THERE that my interests in game area's were different. That already accounts for a difference in rating. But you are too blinded to see that. So there is no "off the wall argument" as you put it so nicely.
Actually, the only clarification you gave on that point was by giving a 9 to RP. When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with."
So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT! Then you turn around and give the community a 3....
If I didn't care about your opinion, then why did I respond to it trying to CLARIFY things. I never tried to SWING your opinion as you are trying to do.
Mostly because you're trying to draw me into an argument. And the whole purpose of "meaningful discussion" is an attempt to bring the other person over to your point of view. Merely throwing conflicting opinions at another person is called "argument", not meaningful discussion.
From your previous posts, you're really looking for an "argument". Which is....trolling.
Again, thank you. You keep proving my points over and over again.
Heh. You're doing a pretty good job of proving my points as well...
Originally posted by Avayat- Read my review/rating post again. I already stated THERE that my interests in game area's were different. That already accounts for a difference in rating. But you are too blinded to see that. So there is no "off the wall argument" as you put it so nicely. Actually, the only clarification you gave on that point was by giving a 9 to RP. When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with." So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT! Then you turn around and give the community a 3.... Again you take it out of CONTEXT. I've said I cannot find people to group with that have a similar attitude and preference as I do. I do not like leet kiddos "omg suxors pwnd etc." in a group when you need to work as a group that can take the time to RP it's preparations as well as go out in a good RP fashion.
If I didn't care about your opinion, then why did I respond to it trying to CLARIFY things. I never tried to SWING your opinion as you are trying to do. I gave the community a 3 because of the bickering and flaming on the forum. Not because of the people playing in DnL. Again, you rewrite what I've said.
Mostly because you're trying to draw me into an argument. And the whole purpose of "meaningful discussion" is an attempt to bring the other person over to your point of view. Merely throwing conflicting opinions at another person is called "argument", not meaningful discussion.
From your previous posts, you're really looking for an "argument". Which is....trolling.
You know, you're right. Those whole sentences and paragraph apply to you. Now lets count the word trolling... You're the one obsessed with it.
Originally posted by Avayat- Originally posted by MikeMonger
Originally posted by Avayat- Actually, the only clarification you gave on that point was by giving a 9 to RP. When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with." So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT! Then you turn around and give the community a 3.... Again you take it out of CONTEXT. I've said I cannot find people to group with that have a similar attitude and preference as I do. I do not like leet kiddos "omg suxors pwnd etc." in a group when you need to work as a group that can take the time to RP it's preparations as well as go out in a good RP fashion.
I thought I'd respond to this little tidbit right here.
Exactly HOW did I take your statement out of context? Your response to my statement would indicate that you view other MMORPG's as full of "leet kiddos"...which reinforces what I said....
Originally posted by MikeMonger Originally posted by Avayat- Originally posted by MikeMonger
Originally posted by Avayat- Actually, the only clarification you gave on that point was by giving a 9 to RP. When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with." So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT! Then you turn around and give the community a 3.... Again you take it out of CONTEXT. I've said I cannot find people to group with that have a similar attitude and preference as I do. I do not like leet kiddos "omg suxors pwnd etc." in a group when you need to work as a group that can take the time to RP it's preparations as well as go out in a good RP fashion.
I thought I'd respond to this little tidbit right here.
Exactly HOW did I take your statement out of context? Your response to my statement would indicate that you view other MMORPG's as full of "leet kiddos"...which reinforces what I said....
As you wish... The original copy/paste of the text exchanged. I will underline the part you took apart...
RP: 9 Being with friends, able to play the lone hunter/ranger/resource gatherer is a lot of fun for me. Others probably don't like that playstyle tho.
Uh, you've just described a basic funtion of ANY MMORPG. The ability to solo? The ability to hang out with friends? This is a bare minimum requirement of an MMORPG, and therefore, is hardly deserving of the 9 you've given it. Not only that, but none of the things that allow RP'ing (fortresses, etc) are even implemented yet!
Bring that statement to SWG forums please. You'll be hosed down by. It should be like that yes, but because I tend to find and work with people that have a similar mindset _and_ playstyle as my own it's hard to find them in other games. But I've found them in DnL... That's what counts.
So in short, your quote " When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with." So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT! Then you turn around and give the community a 3...." holds no ground whatsoever.
I'll talk only about the "lag" and not the very low fps that a lot of peoples have I'm very happy with the netcode. I played Shadowbane a lot and big battles was awfulls. With something like 3s of pings. In DnL, i was here on the SoF final event and we were hundreds. And i didn't lagged. My ping was stable and i enjoyed a lot the final fight, 100(or more?) vs 5(?) Dragons. Without any lag. I don't know a lot of game (but i played only some very well-knowed games) able of this.
As you wish... The original copy/paste of the text exchanged. I will underline the part you took apart...
RP: 9 Being with friends, able to play the lone hunter/ranger/resource gatherer is a lot of fun for me. Others probably don't like that playstyle tho.
Uh, you've just described a basic funtion of ANY MMORPG. The ability to solo? The ability to hang out with friends? This is a bare minimum requirement of an MMORPG, and therefore, is hardly deserving of the 9 you've given it. Not only that, but none of the things that allow RP'ing (fortresses, etc) are even implemented yet!
Bring that statement to SWG forums please. You'll be hosed down by. It should be like that yes, but because I tend to find and work with people that have a similar mindset _and_ playstyle as my own it's hard to find them in other games. But I've found them in DnL... That's what counts.
So in short, your quote " When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with." So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT! Then you turn around and give the community a 3...." holds no ground whatsoever.
Lets boil this down.
What YOU said (and underlined):
It should be like that yes, but because I tend to find and work with people that have a similar mindset _and_ playstyle as my own it's hard to find them in other games.
What I said (and you're disputing)
When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with."
So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT!
Please explain how you saying that:
DnL is the rare game in which you find people who you actually want to group with
is any different than me saying that:
DnL is the rare game in which you find people you actually want to group with?
I mean, you could have taken exception with the whole "don't like MMORPG people" in general thing, but in a later post, you clearly stated:
I've said I cannot find people to group with that have a similar attitude and preference as I do. I do not like leet kiddos "omg suxors pwnd etc."
You seem to be arguing with...yourself.
Oh, btw...did you notice how you never even bothered acknowledging that most of the RP devices DnL supposedly has haven't been implemented yet? I find that interesting, since earlier you accused me of "ignoring" things.
I'll talk only about the "lag" and not the very low fps that a lot of peoples have I'm very happy with the netcode. I played Shadowbane a lot and big battles was awfulls. With something like 3s of pings. In DnL, i was here on the SoF final event and we were hundreds. And i didn't lagged. My ping was stable and i enjoyed a lot the final fight, 100(or more?) vs 5(?) Dragons. Without any lag. I don't know a lot of game (but i played only some very well-knowed games) able of this.
Dude, that's COMPLETELY irrelevent. Because SoG isn't DnL.
See? See? I used a fanboi argument against them! lol
I agree about the games low framerate not being evident in the graphics displayed.
The graphics displayed are sub-par for the system requirements that the game actually needs to run. There is no rational or logical reason why superior systems cannot run this game well, except that the engine is coded by amateurs.
Originally posted by MikeMonger Originally posted by Avayat- As you wish... The original copy/paste of the text exchanged. I will underline the part you took apart...
RP: 9 Being with friends, able to play the lone hunter/ranger/resource gatherer is a lot of fun for me. Others probably don't like that playstyle tho.
Uh, you've just described a basic funtion of ANY MMORPG. The ability to solo? The ability to hang out with friends? This is a bare minimum requirement of an MMORPG, and therefore, is hardly deserving of the 9 you've given it. Not only that, but none of the things that allow RP'ing (fortresses, etc) are even implemented yet! Bring that statement to SWG forums please. You'll be hosed down by. It should be like that yes, but because I tend to find and work with people that have a similar mindset _and_ playstyle as my own it's hard to find them in other games. But I've found them in DnL... That's what counts.So in short, your quote "
When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with." So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT! Then you turn around and give the community a 3...." holds no ground whatsoever.
Lets boil this down.
What YOU said (and underlined):
It should be like that yes, but because I tend to find and work with people that have a similar mindset _and_ playstyle as my own it's hard to find them in other games.
What I said (and you're disputing)
When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with."
So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT!
Please explain how you saying that:
DnL is the rare game in which you find people who you actually want to group with
is any different than me saying that:
DnL is the rare game in which you find people you actually want to group with?
This is something you do not say. If you don't get this, there is no point in discussing this. You are saying something completely different.
I mean, you could have taken exception with the whole "don't like MMORPG people" in general thing, but in a later post, you clearly stated:
I've said I cannot find people to group with that have a similar attitude and preference as I do. I do not like leet kiddos "omg suxors pwnd etc."
You seem to be arguing with...yourself.
Point out where I'm arguing with myself. I have an aversion against leet kiddo's and those are not the kind of people i'm looking for to group with. Luckily, only a few of them are in DnL (at least for as far as my experience goes). So THAT kind of people I definately do not want to group with. I fail to see where this conflicts with all my previous statements.
Oh, btw...did you notice how you never even bothered acknowledging that most of the RP devices DnL supposedly has haven't been implemented yet? I find that interesting, since earlier you accused me of "ignoring" things.
Am I? If you find having forts and stuff important for RP, then KUDOS for you. I mean that. That's why I didn't argue about it. But for MY RP these aren't important (the hunter/outdoorsman/ranger, hunting for resources, RP-ing to dislike villages and see them as necessary evil to gather equipment and stuff needed to survive outdoors again). Also consider that my faith is in Neutra ... which is completely based upon natural environments... I've said it many times before, what one likes to RP is not everyones food and drink, but to each his/her own. So your RP rating is lower then mine because the parts you like to RP are not working/ingame yet. I can understand that and there is no need for me to discuss that. You otoh however cannot grasp the single thing that the environment I like for RP is there.
DnL is the rare game in which you find people you actually want to group with?
This is something you do not say. If you don't get this, there is no point in discussing this. You are saying something completely different.
Oh, for the love of...
When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with." So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT!
What EXACTLY am I saying here? Or are you saying that DnL people AREN'T great? And if they aren't great, then why is it that you've been able to find those hard to find player types in DnL, but not in most games you've played?
Point out where I'm arguing with myself.
I AM.
I have an aversion against leet kiddo's and those are not the kind of people i'm looking for to group with. Luckily, only a few of them are in DnL (at least for as far as my experience goes). So THAT kind of people I definately do not want to group with. I fail to see where this conflicts with all my previous statements.
Talk about taking a statement out of context. When I quoted your dislike of leet kiddos, that was in relation to my saying that you could possibly dispute you saying that you don't like people who play in most MMORPG's. Notice the "but then you say" part in the sentence right above the quote, and read backwards.
Am I? If you find having forts and stuff important for RP, then KUDOS for you.
Nope. I didn't say forts are important for roleplay. I said that the items that Farlan said were going to be implemented to encourage roleplay (ie forts, etc) haven't been implemented yet. Nice attempt at perverting the point, however.
I mean that. That's why I didn't argue about it.
No, you didn't argue about it because, well, it's an indisputable fact.
But for MY RP these aren't important (the hunter/outdoorsman/ranger, hunting for resources, RP-ing to dislike villages and see them as necessary evil to gather equipment and stuff needed to survive outdoors again). Also consider that my faith is in Neutra ... which is completely based upon natural environments... I've said it many times before, what one likes to RP is not everyones food and drink, but to each his/her own. So your RP rating is lower then mine because the parts you like to RP are not working/ingame yet. I can understand that and there is no need for me to discuss that. You otoh however cannot grasp the single thing that the environment I like for RP is there. I don't care about YOUR rp. The fact is, most of the items that are supposed to encourage RP AREN'T implemented yet. Therefore, you can't give the game a 9 for RP, because there are no RP devices.
I don't care about YOUR rp. The fact is, most of the items that are supposed to encourage RP AREN'T implemented yet. Therefore, you can't give the game a 9 for RP, because there are no RP devices.
You can, however, give YOURSELF a 9 for RP, since it seems you don't actually need the game to provide any RP devices for you. Because based on what your saying, if you took your RP buddies to ANY OTHER MMORPG on the market, you would get just as rich an RP experience.
I don't care about YOUR rp. The fact is, most of the items that are supposed to encourage RP AREN'T implemented yet. Therefore, you can't give the game a 9 for RP, because there are no RP devices.
You can, however, give YOURSELF a 9 for RP, since it seems you don't actually need the game to provide any RP devices for you. Because based on what your saying, if you took your RP buddies to ANY OTHER MMORPG on the market, you would get just as rich an RP experience.
Originally posted by Avayat- And I do agree with your last sentence. Please leave if you don't know how to discuss properly. If you thought it was a waste of time discussing it with me, then why did you come in here the first place. That's called trolling too.
Here we go with the oh so familiar DNL line of defense.
Originally posted by Poulpe Ranulf is missing ( purposely ? ) one sentence :
Originally posted by fractal I agree about the games low framerate not being evident in the graphics displayed.
The graphics displayed are sub-par for the system requirements that the game actually needs to run. There is no rational or logical reason why superior systems cannot run this game well, except that the engine is coded by amateurs.
Originally posted by Avayat- I'm probably going to be flamed to death, so I'll but on my flame retardand suit...
Graphics: 8 Yes. I've turned all options on. I have high distant views and even in close-ups a it looks good for me. Good enough to enjoy it. There are some things that need to be reworked, mostly in UI but that is Skinnable (XML definitions) so I expect, once the community calms down a bit, more people will start making the UI look better.
Sound: 7 Sounds are nice. Background music is good. It's not to distracting, yet it gives a sense of immersion.
RP: 9 Being with friends, able to play the lone hunter/ranger/resource gatherer is a lot of fun for me. Others probably don't like that playstyle tho.
Value: 6 Overall value I'd say could be much better. Even tho launch was rather smooth (no downtime as far as I know), afterwards there are issues with bugs, logging in and patches. This definately is below par. Yet, for those able to login, you can experience parts of the game. Also the manual supplied is for most way below standards.
Fun: 8 Having to figure out how things works is a blast for me... Trying things, getting burned or not... That's my fun. Helping others is too. Having no decent manual helps with that too
Community: 3 Way below maturity levels. DnL forums as well as other places people flaming eachother, calling names, etc. I personally do not like it one bit. Good thing I have my own community of mature players.
Performance/Lag: 6 Graphics FPS is on the low side, but probably can be improved by chaning my own settings (turning down graphics options to gain more performance instead of quality). Also some unverified source said that this weekend a new patch will be put out addressing the FPS issue. Other then that, I don't experience many problems at al with lag or performance. Compared to other games, it takes some power to run. But then again, so does Ryzom...
Customer Service: 6 On the slow side, feedback trickling in. Should be faster and more. But in general, when answering issues, they're polite, friendly and helpfull as much as they can.
Average: 6.6
I won't flame you for your "honest" opinion of DnL,but I do have a question.. How can you give DnL an 8 in the graphics department? From all the screenies I've seen,the best ones deserve maybe a 6.5 at best.. Go check out EQ2 graphics,DAOC,AC2,L2,and even WoW's graphics..Even SOR has better graphics than DnL.. I'm sorry If this seems like a flame,it most definitely is not intended to be that.. Just check out the graphics on those games,then come back and reevaluate your rating..
Rallithon Oakthornn (Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
I gave the game ratings of 1-3 and 5 in community. My overall rating was 3.3 - a little less than the general rating so far. DnL doesn't deserve more and I hope the professional review from MMORPG.com - if they review it at all - will also have a low, low score to warn players of this game!
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The thread kicks off flamebait. In one post, he labels as "closed minded" anyone who doesn't provide "meaningful discussion". In the next post, he admits that he doesn't care what anybody thinks.
It's subtle, but still a troll. A pretty good one, too.
Read that post about where I mention "I don't care" again... I still am amazed by some peoples inability to read/understand written text. As seen in other thread, people start interpreting.
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I have. Any time anybody comes up with a valid counter-argument to one of your reasons for rating the game so high, you respond by either dismissing it is irrelevent, stating it's not important to you, or both.
Which is the primary tool of troll debate. Not only does it shore up your own point, but it also angers the person that made the counterpoints, and keeps them coming back for more abuse.
That's how you're going to respond to EVERY post that addresses your OP point by point. Which is why I stated, back in the beginning, that actual discussion was pointless.
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I thought I'd respond to this little tidbit right here.
Exactly HOW did I take your statement out of context? Your response to my statement would indicate that you view other MMORPG's as full of "leet kiddos"...which reinforces what I said....
I thought I'd respond to this little tidbit right here.
Exactly HOW did I take your statement out of context? Your response to my statement would indicate that you view other MMORPG's as full of "leet kiddos"...which reinforces what I said....
As you wish... The original copy/paste of the text exchanged. I will underline the part you took apart...
RP: 9
Being with friends, able to play the lone
hunter/ranger/resource gatherer is a lot of fun for me. Others probably
don't like that playstyle tho.
Uh, you've just described a basic
funtion of ANY MMORPG. The ability to solo? The ability to hang out
with friends? This is a bare minimum requirement of an MMORPG, and
therefore, is hardly deserving of the 9 you've given it. Not only
that, but none of the things that allow RP'ing (fortresses, etc) are
even implemented yet!
Bring that statement to
So in short, your quote "SWG forums please. You'll be hosed down by. It should be like that yes,
but because I tend to find and work with people that have a similar
mindset _and_ playstyle as my own it's hard to find them in other
games. But I've found them in DnL... That's what counts.
When
I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or
group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to
group with."
So,
the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's
in general, but DnL people are GREAT! Then you turn around and give
the community a 3...."
holds no ground whatsoever.
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I'll talk only about the "lag" and not the very low fps that a lot of peoples have
I'm very happy with the netcode. I played Shadowbane a lot and big battles was awfulls. With something like 3s of pings.
In DnL, i was here on the SoF final event and we were hundreds. And i didn't lagged. My ping was stable and i enjoyed a lot the final fight, 100(or more?) vs 5(?) Dragons. Without any lag. I don't know a lot of game (but i played only some very well-knowed games) able of this.
RP: 9
Being with friends, able to play the lone hunter/ranger/resource gatherer is a lot of fun for me. Others probably don't like that playstyle tho.
Uh, you've just described a basic funtion of ANY MMORPG. The ability to solo? The ability to hang out with friends? This is a bare minimum requirement of an MMORPG, and therefore, is hardly deserving of the 9 you've given it. Not only that, but none of the things that allow RP'ing (fortresses, etc) are even implemented yet!
Bring that statement to SWG forums please. You'll be hosed down by. It should be like that yes, but because I tend to find and work with people that have a similar mindset _and_ playstyle as my own it's hard to find them in other games. But I've found them in DnL... That's what counts.
So in short, your quote "When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with."
So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT! Then you turn around and give the community a 3...."
holds no ground whatsoever.
Lets boil this down.
What YOU said (and underlined):
It should be like that yes, but because I tend to find and work with people that have a similar mindset _and_ playstyle as my own it's hard to find them in other games.
What I said (and you're disputing)
When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with."
So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT!
Please explain how you saying that:
DnL is the rare game in which you find people who you actually want to group with
is any different than me saying that:
DnL is the rare game in which you find people you actually want to group with?
I mean, you could have taken exception with the whole "don't like MMORPG people" in general thing, but in a later post, you clearly stated:
I've said I cannot find people to group with that have a similar attitude and preference as I do. I do not like leet kiddos "omg suxors pwnd etc."
You seem to be arguing with...yourself.
Oh, btw...did you notice how you never even bothered acknowledging that most of the RP devices DnL supposedly has haven't been implemented yet? I find that interesting, since earlier you accused me of "ignoring" things.
Dude, that's COMPLETELY irrelevent. Because SoG isn't DnL.
See? See? I used a fanboi argument against them! lol
The graphics displayed are sub-par for the system requirements that the game actually needs to run. There is no rational or logical reason why superior systems cannot run this game well, except that the engine is coded by amateurs.
Lets boil this down.
What YOU said (and underlined):
It should be like that yes, but because I tend to find and work with people that have a similar mindset _and_ playstyle as my own it's ha
rd to find them in other games.
What I said (and you're disputing)
When I stated that ANY MMORPG worth it's salt allows you to either solo or group, you responded with "few other games let me find people I want to group with."
So, the implication here is, that you don't like people who play MMORPG's in general, but DnL people are GREAT!
Please explain how you saying that:
DnL is the rare game in which you find people who you actually want to group with
is any different than me saying that:
DnL is the rare game in which you find people you actually want to group with?
This is something you do not say. If you don't get this, there is no point in discussing this. You are saying something completely different.
I mean, you could have taken exception with the whole "don't like MMORPG people" in general thing, but in a later post, you clearly stated:
I've said I cannot find people to group with that have a similar attitude and preference as I do. I do not like leet kiddos "omg suxors pwnd etc."
You seem to be arguing with...yourself.
Point out where I'm arguing with myself. I have an aversion against leet kiddo's and those are not the kind of people i'm looking for to group with. Luckily, only a few of them are in DnL (at least for as far as my experience goes). So THAT kind of people I definately do not want to group with. I fail to see where this conflicts with all my previous statements.
Oh, btw...did you notice how you never even bothered acknowledging that most of the RP devices DnL supposedly has haven't been implemented yet? I find that interesting, since earlier you accused me of "ignoring" things.
Am I? If you find having forts and stuff important for RP, then KUDOS for you. I mean that. That's why I didn't argue about it. But for MY RP these aren't important (the hunter/outdoorsman/ranger, hunting for resources, RP-ing to dislike villages and see them as necessary evil to gather equipment and stuff needed to survive outdoors again). Also consider that my faith is in Neutra ... which is completely based upon natural environments... I've said it many times before, what one likes to RP is not everyones food and drink, but to each his/her own. So your RP rating is lower then mine because the parts you like to RP are not working/ingame yet. I can understand that and there is no need for me to discuss that. You otoh however cannot grasp the single thing that the environment I like for RP is there.
Ranger @ Heart
Wildlife Preserver
Dariane Tracker
Here we go with the oh so familiar DNL line of defense.
Originally posted by Poulpe
Ranulf is missing ( purposely ? ) one sentence :
The original logs :
http://img281.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vuuar08hb.jpg
what you can see is "Sinon j'ai besoin de votre énergie pour contrer l'attaque sur MMORPG.com".
Which can be translated as :
I need your energy to counter the attack on MMORPG.com
This helps tu put the other three sentences into contects.
Read it and weep fanboi.
Rallithon Oakthornn
(Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
Ranulf is missing ( purposely ? ) one sentence :
The original logs :
http://img281.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vuuar08hb.jpg
what you can see is "Sinon j'ai besoin de votre énergie pour contrer l'attaque sur MMORPG.com".
Which can be translated as :
I need your energy to counter the attack on MMORPG.com
This helps tu put the other three sentences into contects.
Read it and weep fanboi.
I would have to agree with this wholeheartedly.
"Fire is never a gentle master..."