Is DnL value for money? Ha!

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• jimmyman99 Member UncommonPosts: 3,221

  June 2006

  Thats the only reason why im so mad at NC: - they lie about their game and its current state AND they charge you to play that lie. I wouldnt care less if D&L were released but was free to play due to its incomplete state, I wouldnt even really care if they lied about D&L as long as they didnt try to scam people into paying for it. If D&L were free for now, id never bitch about it, id check the progress from time to time to see if it improved and maybe join in if it was worth it in my eyes.
  
  
  
  

  I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
  
• Dabble Member Posts: 1,043

  June 2006

  agreed, Jimmy.

  In fact, as a dragon flight simulator, it's really good.
• Zorbane Member UncommonPosts: 529

  June 2006

  i get to follow along this for free

  im getting my moneys worth
• Galaxy Member Posts: 120

  June 2006

  Most games charge 50ish dollars to cover printing and distribution costs.

  DnL tries to charge more for just a download.  That is simple exploitation.  They save the production cost, the printing costs, the distribution costs, and put it in their pockets.

  The more I look at the game I wanted to play, and how they treated not only myself, but the people that sweated with them (pioneers), it is clear these people are out for a money grab.  In 28 years of gaming I've never seen a company so focused on grabbing the short dollar at the expense of the long dollar..

  --Galaxy
• EcPercy Member Posts: 9

  June 2006

  
  

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  Originally posted by yac709
  

  
  NPCube know DnL is going to die and are trying to milk every last dollar out of it.

  
  That is why they've made such an empty game out of 6 years of work.
  That is why there is why their game descriptions are so vague.
  That is why they didn't do an open beta and don't have a free trial.
  That is why they've priced the game at such a ridiculously high price.
  That is why they're trying to screw MMORPG.com by filling it with fake posters and reviews.

  This game is widely-regarded as one of the worst ever by the majority of the MMO community.
  Please, if anyone's curious about it, do not buy it!
  Stop supporting this useless, farce of a game company.

  The fake posters, reviewers and developers should be ashamed of themselves.
  Stop trying to scam newbies and stop filling MMORPG.com with fake opinions promoting your...
  
  

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  I agree. If you have never played an MMO. Please don't make this game your first one. If you have played other MMO's at least wait 3-4 months to see if the developers can fix the game breaking bugs. This should be enough time to see if the game is even going to stay online.
  
  Please make sure to head over to the DnL forums and see the problems that others are having with this game. If you buy the game on blind faith you will regret it.
  
• DezKreeT Member Posts: 9

  June 2006

  for those thickskulled people still considering buying because they have yet been convinced not to, here ssomethign i wrote up a couple days ago.

  I have a hard time with patience in the game. Problems i have with it:

  1. LAG. i recently upgraded to a 7800 GS for this game, what happens? no performance increase from a 9800 pro. I have decent specs, the weakest link being my processor being 2500+, and this game still runs terrible. I chose gnome, so i start on the shore, increased mob activity in area, plus npcs plus other players lags the game alone, but throw in the jungle vegetation and you have a nightmare. So i venture elsewhere to see if it improves, i forgot i was flying and i end up disconnecting with my dragon in mid air in the ocean on the other side of Aesir's kingdom (you should be ported when you pass the boundary in the first place, after a designated time) Any who, the water alone lags me. i cant imagine whats going to happen when the pvp gets going. Now keep in mind my pc runs oblivion flawlessy, only time i lag in that game is when i distribute level up attribute points and click OK.
  Now its not only the world that is laggy, theres the interface, tryign to drag an drop the crafting items or equipping things that way is horrible, somtimes you alot too many points to a skill because you think the first click didn't go through. then there is the backpasce issues, good luck trying to delete anything by tapping backspace, only hope is to hold it down. chatting also is an issue, sometimes enter doesn't work thus bringing up a half dozen windows, or certain letters dont enter in. the lag is the major issue im pissed off with it.

  2. Mobs, seems they concentrated on the much lower levels in the start kingdom, aswell as aesir's kingdom. the aggro's are all messed up, certain mobs should attack and certain shouldn't, but it seems with every type of mob, its a toss up if they aggro you or not.

  3. skills window, they need to add a drop down menu for each kind of skill. category, fxp, crafting and extraction. also a way to filter out the stuff you diont want to see there. much better.

  4. all windows should be resizable, this makes the guild management a pain, since you have to scroll all the way to the right to scroll down quickly, but you can no longer see the names,  if you try the mouse over way, you'll be tryign 6 or 7 times just to be able to click the verticle scroll

  5. I invested my pioneer skill points in the assassin tree, and its horrible, i wasted my whole perk because they cant make a class at all. it is seriously retarded how everythign in that thing works, you need to cast the camo spell to be invisible, then you can use the other hald of that whole skill set. but the camo spell takes a hell of a time to cast, and most of their damage spells are MAX Weapon damage. Yea, an assasin is goign to kill witha whole 6 points of damage. Half the other skills require some weird condition just to work, so its kinda twitch like. it seems the whole assassin branch is made to rely on the camo, then you strike losing the camo with the spell that required camo, then you need tyo cast the other spell while the spell that needed the camo got cast, otherwise the spell wont work, condition required not met error. hald the bloody melee things are liek that WASTE OF SKILL POINTS.

  6 Pioneers got the headstart they cant use. why? because 20 fxp cap. it prettuy much will let the lower levels catch up asap. what good is that?

  7. No official documentation provided on interfac, even the shitty korean mmo's have more documentation.

  8. ranking levels reduce guild sxp. where is the logic in that. the whole point of that system is for administration purposes, not game play.  Now if they managed this better it may be more plausable, but in its current state, in order to be fair to the members, all of them need to have maxed out their max amount of toons and enroll so that their primaries can get a better sxp gain

  9. Quest interface is horrible, you cant reference dialogue accidently missed. then you have the shitty quest dialoges, example, "OH THE OPINICUS IS THREATENING US!!!! " now where the hell is it. No where in the vicinity of the village as it implies. and then there are the quests that require parts to be dropped, good luck with that, the loot system is tedious too, 5% chance of drop on half the creatures in those quests due to higher level than mob.

  10. Grouping is flawwed, it should be there for pvp and to quicken the grind for fxp levels, but the fxp gain is slower than if you were to solo, so incentive to work as a group is gone.

  11, Where are these so called kingdom boundaries with timers? im on the other side of aesirs kingdom, there are mobs in this closed of area yoo, they still suck mind you, but mobs none the less. So this will cause the player base to be rfurther spread out. not to mention no one wanting to gather in popular areas anymore since the pvp flaw in starter kingdoms and aldrifa.  --- this was fixed

  12. crafting sucks. its tedious, and there should be a sort of auto mode that lets you craft trainers until the amouynt required for the weapon is made. . there needs to be better requirements. like a dagger requires the same amount of metal as a long sworrd, come on. so should be like 3 bronze bars 2 this 1 that and 4 of magic item slots allowed for this item. Not to mention it actually taking more time then physically clicking.

  13, Extraction, who actually likes this system? you cant find the mobs of the optimum level for looting, and lower level mobs and higher level mobs are about the same percentage for success. even after investing tons of cxp into quartering, i still get maybe once every 12 or so kills. really interferes with quests.

  14.banks, what good is storing your cash when theres not village branches and such? i'd put banks in all the start villages but have them take a higher interest rate than in the city.

  15. TARGET TO FAR! im standing right next to the bloody thing you stupid engine.

  16. they spread everyone out too far. with this little people in game, interaction is very limited. empy places bore people, bored people leave to get unbored (excuse my superior vocabulary). So when theres already very little people playing, less likely are others to start. wit hthe kingdom issue mentioned earlier, this jsut speeds up this effect.

  17. I was lied to for years, let down countless times due to the incompetency of the developping team

  18. what is there to do? Shitty quests, lack of proper mobs + fxp cap preventing levelling, tedious crafting system that makes me bang my head against the corner of wallls, explore the world when it wont count for nothing yet since exploraton isn't implemented, talk to people in an empty barony channel, hmmm what can i do in game?

  since writing that a couple more issues came up, they patched, made mobs harder to kill, spread out resources that npcs sell, specialized npc vendors etc.  Now the mob "fix" actually is screwed up, the fxp cap is still there, often times you'll land froma transport and get aggro'd and killed from the hgiher levels you can no longer touch (before you had some chance), and even cities have mobs that can aggro in the middle of them.  the npcs? well what they did is a good thing, the downside is how spread out the npcs are, people choosing the crafting axis to concentrate on will have huge issues, they must fly to 2 or 3 different villages for the materials, then they must find the proper crafting spot whcih are even more spread out.

  So as you can tell im far from impressed.  I spent 3 years following this game, contributing to the community, and establishing good relations with fellow community members. now besides all that time, theres cash involved, i've missed work for meetings with the development team, upgraded pc soley for this came a few times, i even bought a new vid card for the release.  Then theres the guilds  website hosting fees.  What keeps me involved in the game?  the guild.  Its one of the most contributing guilds in the dnl community, i feel an obligation to it now that i've risin through the ranks to co leader, im the last of the webadmins for it the others left the game, and i own the domain and webspace.  probably the only comfort i get in this obligation is that this game will fold soon enough.  i already consider the money i spent for the pioneer account gone, and that gives me two months to wait for its collapse before a subscription fee is charged
• Dabble Member Posts: 1,043

  June 2006

  Wow, DezKree..

  Sorry to hear you put so much in to such a let down...

  Well, hopefully you and your guildmates have learned not to put all your eggs in one basket, as they say

  Best of luck to you guys.

  More games are coming out in the near future with much more promise and backing.  Hope you guys can hook up with one of those.
• Jackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

  June 2006

  The forums are a blast, and they're free !

  I miss DAoC
• Pwynn Member Posts: 45

  June 2006

  
  You forgot to mention one thing.
  
  DnL does a 1:1 conversion  dollar- euro so you pay 14,99 € in Europe.
  
  I did not check other games but WOW charges $ 14,99 in the US and  12,99 € for Europeans.
  
  
  
  P.S. i just checked my CC charges and all NCsoft games did charge 14,99 $  so i was charged around 12,60 € depending on the exchange rates that apllied.
  
  So is this game a ripoff for the quality it provides, yes it is.
  
  
  
  
  
• PeaCee Member Posts: 67

  June 2006

  
  

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  Originally posted by Jackdog
  The forums are a blast, and they're free !
  

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• Valharan Member Posts: 190

  June 2006

  Yeah DnL's forum is off the hook funny YO!
• hercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,925

  June 2006

  Actually WoW is below $35 now on many sites/shops and if you look well you can get auto assault for that price.

  But i said it before $55 for a download only is steep.

  This is not a matter of whether its affordable,i am sure for many this is easy money.

  But like been said

  1)download only.No manual book,no dvd,no bonus materilas,no map,in short no nothing.Just the digital download.

  2)no monthly fee.Ofc you can say oh you got freedom or whatever its called.But fact remains every mmorpg sells their game with a free month that includes all access to all features of the game .

  3)it has horrible reviews.Come on!the game need clients and you make it the most expensive mmorpg to buy the software ever.And this again might i stress does not include any box!

  Sorry but got to agree with OP they are out to milk as much as they can in the shortest period.

  I seriously doubt there is any plans long term for this game.
• Unknown

  June 2006

  indeed! LOL This top end premium pricing for a download only with no manual on top of it! and premium top end monthly subscription (if you wish the full immersion instead of the "demo mode" type of play) and for whats inside it? This is truly the joke of the mmo world.
• DeletedAcct Member Posts: 883

  June 2006

  And AO has promotions every 3-6 months for 9.95 buys all expansions and then monthly fees afterward. 1/mo=14.95/mo, 3/mo=11.95/mo, 6/mo=9.95/mo, 1yr/=7.95/mo. And I have deepest sympathies for everyone who was mislead regarding DnL. Devs should be court ordered to never be involved in any type of game again. 
• Unknown

  June 2006

  
  

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  Originally posted by Zorvan
  And AO has promotions every 3-6 months for 9.95 buys all expansions and then monthly fees afterward. 1/mo=14.95/mo, 3/mo=11.95/mo, 6/mo=9.95/mo, 1yr/=7.95/mo. And I have deepest sympathies for everyone who was mislead regarding DnL. Devs should be court ordered to never be involved in any type of game again. 
  

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  Yes most, not all, but most games have the discount price the more months you buy.
  
• Valharan Member Posts: 190

  June 2006

  AO is probably my all time favorite MMO. Great concept, setting and at the time graphics. The community rules and it was just plain fun. Until the Shadowlands expansion it rarely felt like a grind and even then the grind wasn't as bad as other palces.
• Kilim Member Posts: 546

  June 2006

  But, D&L has 40,000 squre miles of ...
  
  It also has that AWESOME Quick Tutorial handbook!!!
  Who needs a game manual when you have that?!?!?!
  
  
  

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• hercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,925

  June 2006

  Actually i really wonder about DnL.

  Like mentioned the software(with no box!) is probably the most expensive we have ever seen.It seems they are out to make as much as they can and then settle into running the game on a skeleton staff or even worse shutdown.

  Fact remains if you have no boxed version it means you are relying on word of mouth thru the MMO community.No chance of getting the average joe stroll into his local shop and like the cover or box.

  So their who client base is generally going to be people already into the MMO market and most likely people who actually follow other mmo(no "i am a die hard blizzard fan no matter what and everything else sucks" here).

  And word is bad and really bad.The word is worse then horizons and hate to say it maybe even mourning.

  So how do they still expect to make $50+ at this stage i dunno.

  By now they should be frantically fixing the game and making it attractive.It maybe too early for a free trial but they should knowk the price down to $10 and say hey come see if the rumours are true for youself after all its all $10.

  But for $50+ no ty i am not going to take the risk