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Stop bashing VG because of SOE - SWG wasn't their fault
pingofdeath
Member Posts: 83
All I've read the last few weeks is how VG is doomed because of SOE. Most people have these feelings because they played SWG prior to the NGE and somehow blame SOE for it. SOE DIDN'T ruin SWG themselves--the NGE was all things George Lucas insisted SOE change. If you want to blame someone, blame the god of Star Wars himself, and stop using $ in SOE.
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I think most of the Vanguard Haters are just bored fans of other games. Bored because the game they are fan of isn't coming out for about a year or two.
Good luck with that.
Before SOE there were few negative posts here, now everything is. Even things not relating to SOE.
Prior to SOe the game looked good to people, now the same people say the game ITSELF doesnt look good.
Odd how nothing changed in the game itself though.
Given Mr. Lucas' consistant rape of his own stories and blatant disregard of his diehard fans...I wouldn't expect SWG to be anything but utter crap.
I mean... did you see Episode One? I mean...wtf was he thinking?!? o.O
Oh, and btw...if you haven't heard...
They're finally re-releasing the Origional Origional Starwars Trilogy on DVD...unedited
...and when I say unedited, I mean just that. Nothing...not even digital enhancements, or color touch ups....nothing.
....in fact they are ripped from old Laser Disks...
...and you can only buy them in a package with the retardedly changed and edited versions.
excellent
$OE mismanaged the game from the start, $OE coded EVERY LINE of the CU and nge.
LA just LET THEM get away with it.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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It does sorta make you wonder what the f*ck they where all thinking............
I would be very interested in the motivation for all this chaos around SWG. (the real reasons and the logic behind the changes from the designers standpoint)
By the way, for anyone who doesn't play SWG. they just completely changed the combat system again this week. Thats pretty much 4 versions of this game in 3 years. At this point I would say SWG is more or less the laughing stock of the industry.
Frankly I don't care about SOE's level of involvement in Vanguard but they are certainly not making friends in the MMO world.
Not saying I wont but it but it is now in the "wait a few months and see" which often means my priorities will be in other places. I really distrust SOE that much and I wish they would have stayed far away since I had high hopes for thsi game.
Funny thing is, all the SWG fans who are avid SOE haters will be the same ones camping out three days on the street to get tickets if they ever come out with another SW series. Even though Lucas is just as much to blame, they won't hesitate to hand him their hard earned money.
What many people (though I'm assuming NOT you) also forget is that there were many, many other management problems with SWG besides the CU and NGE. Not every screw up was approved by LA, most of them were SOE all the way. Not to mention the way they handled the transition into NGE (deny deny deny) and they way they refused to admit they were wrong (No, silly...you LOVE the NGE, remember?)
I (think) I will still be playing VG when it comes out...but I am not going to let myself get too into it, because I know that other shoe could drop at any time...cause no matter what anyone says, we ALL want the game to be more Vanguardy And Heroic!!
You're telling me George Lucas has taken an active interest in SWG and took time out to plan a total revamp of an MMO that he's never played? Also you're implying George Lucas knows something about the MMO industry and doesn't just sell licenses to companies to make products?
Man if we all had some of what you're smoking I suppose Delorean wasn't to blame for a crap car that didn't sell right? Yeah Santa Clause told him to change the design and move the factories.
I guess Nick Leeson wasn't to blame for the collapse of Bearings bank right? Yeah, some branch manager told him to go on trading with money they didn't have.
And I suppose Charles Manson wasn't to blame for all those murders right? Because the neighbour's dog told him to do it.
I know someone's gonna point out how extreme that last example was and try to look clever and sensible. Well they're probably right so I'm gonna sit back and listen to my favourite remix,
/puts on record
"Don't blame it on $medley,
Don't blame it on Torres,
Don't blame it on Lucas,
Blame it on the money!"
/turns off record
oh and just to peeve you off
$OE RUINED SWG
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
To think... during all this time, he actually called any of the shots is delusional at best. Remember.. the WAS SHOOTING THE PREQUELS during all the design/execution of SWG.
He's got an Empire to screw up.. he's hardly micromanaging this mess. He's busy making sure Greedo shot first.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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To be honest, all SWG is to them is a license deal. As long as they get the money they are asking for they probably don't get all that involved. Some change docs with some justifications and sales projectionsis more then likely all they see. They are probably passed of to some lower level assistant type who really doesn't have much interest or understanding of it. LA is a license / marketing company not a technical PC game company.
There are so many other SW licenses that make so much more money then PC games. The toys and DVD's alone bring in more cash then ol' Lucus will ever know what to do with. Heck, the burger king toy deal probably made them more money then SWG ever will.
It has been stated MANY times from Smed himself that LA had little involvement for the first two years. After that, they only signed off on projects, not taking ANY active role in the direction of the game.
They allowed it to happen... yes.
They coded or maintained any of it... no.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
It has been stated MANY times from Smed himself that LA had little involvement for the first two years. After that, they only signed off on projects, not taking ANY active role in the direction of the game.
They allowed it to happen... yes.
They coded or maintained any of it... no.
So if the Congress came up with a jacked up Bill that required the sodomy of every SWG lover in America and the President failed to Veto said Bill....is he any less responsible?
Surely approving the NGE rates LA more than 1% blame, but other than that....What he said.
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
I liked 1, it was 2 and 3 that made me question if he still had his sanity.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
LEC only gets 1% blame for saying to change the game that way but make sure it's rolled out by X-mas? That for me would put them at around 90% of the blame. Not to mention he could have said NO.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
I liked 1, it was 2 and 3 that made me question if he still had his sanity.
One name: Jar-Jar Binks.
-W.
Yesterday the my shoelace broke just before I had to leave for work, I know $OE was behind the changes in shoelace development and the poor quality of the NSE (new shoelace experience)
Yes - I do blame $OE for the failures of a few games
No - I will not support anything that $OE is involved in
Yes - I do feel as though $OE will take over Vanguard
No - I will not stop using the moniker $OE or Micro$oft
You know, I am normally not a mean guy, but I have to say DUH to your last comment. No crap they will be the ones most anxious to see the new StarWars movies if they are made. Why the hell do you think they were so mad about the changes to SWG? It's because they are DIE HARD STARWARS FANS. Holy crap man is it that hard to figure out?
Those of us that are NOT "die hard starwars fans" were upset with the whole change to SWG cause it was just plain bad design and development, but the people that will take their grudge towards SoE over what they did to SWG are the most hard core starwars fans on the planet.
It's like being a die hard corvette fan and owning a 1979 Corvette Stingray only to wake up one day to find out that Chevy showed up while you was asleep and removed the v8 and put in a 1.5 litter 4 cyllinder engine. You would be upset to no end over that, but if you was a true Corvette fan, you would still go to corvette shows and such. It's in your blood. Just because the manufacture made a fatal mistake doesn't change the fact that you loved the original design.
For the most part, many SWG fans would gladly go back to SWG ****IF**** the game was put back to the way it was before the NGE ****AND**** SoE made a contractually binding agreement not to ever change the core game desin of the game again. In other words, old SWG fans are still SWG fans. They just HATE the NGE and refuse to play it.