Similar situation on my server. The last two WSG 30-39 instances I played with my rogue alt, the alliance team achieved a total of 3 HK between their entire team before we achieved our three flag captures. We only ever get a decent fight when the alliance fields twinks and even then we usually beat them (despite not being twinked ourselves).
It's partly because Horde get to pvp more often, which gives us a number of important advantages
i) Better teamwork
ii) Knowing the goal of the battleground - WSG is about capturing flags, not running around like a headless chicken in the center of the map.
iii) More experience of which skills/abilities work well in pvp e.g. for rogues, stun attacks become more important
iv) Better pvp tactics - knowing that you should just ignore the warrior trying to beat on you, and heading for that squishy priest doing the healing at the back.
hopefully it will stay that way and the alliance wont wise up as they did on my server with the tier 2 epiced out ventrillo supported teams.......and yes! they run three at a time in every BG(save AV) so that means out of the 4 WSG games you may get into the one winning game but thats usually just a horde pre-made team....Dunemaul ftl
im not over powered! look it took me 10 minutes to kill that guy
Oh..hell no..lmfao. QFT. Lol I'm a fanboy of the Horde Let me tell u, i have played 30 games of BG, and lost 14....(My server is Noragannon) Both sides are equal. I dont belive this garbage. Stop crying and help the Allaince if u must.
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Originally posted by OldManFunk Horde has the best racials for PvP as well as Shaman. A well played Shaman is much more valuable than a well played Paladin.
Horde = PvP
Alliance = PvE
I did like to point out, this poster knows the reason for the horde being better in PvP other then that.. allaince has some shitty racial skills ...espcially the night elfs.. shadowmeld is good up to lvl 30 or below.. i dont know why they dont give us anything else.
Ya horde do own. Although they do have thier moments, we win most of the time. On my server most of the people(even the alliance) mock the alliance for playing horribly.
Originally posted by xuinasha Originally posted by OldManFunk Horde has the best racials for PvP as well as Shaman. A well played Shaman is much more valuable than a well played Paladin.
Horde = PvP
Alliance = PvE
I did like to point out, this poster knows the reason for the horde being better in PvP other then that.. allaince has some shitty racial skills ...espcially the night elfs.. shadowmeld is good up to lvl 30 or below.. i dont know why they dont give us anything else.
I personally, think that Alliance have better racial skills for PvP and PvE
Night Elves - Shadowmeld, turn invisible - great for PvE and sometimes PvP
Humans - Perception - trust me, i tested this out it is actually really good for spotting hidden rogues in the flag room and when they sneak up behind you in Contested Areas.
Dwarves - Stoneform - Increased armour and whatnot, good against warriors.
Gnomes - Escape Artist - I think this skill is great, while everyone else waits for 20secs frozen by something Gnomes can just get out straight away.
Lets see what Horde get:
Undead - Cannabalise, Will of the Forsaken and Underwater breathing better - What use is this in PvP besides Will of the Forsaken? WotF is handy when feared but not as good as some alliance moves IMO
Orcs - Strength increase, lower armour - Yeah it's OK, but nothing that you couldnt beat with some good armour and weapons
Trolls - Beserking - Basically the same as for Orcs
Taurens - War Stomp - This is probably one of the best racial moves i will say. Excellent for PvP and PvE.
These are just my opinions, think what you want.
Edit: But yeah, i do agree that Alliance play BG crapply (atleast at lower levels anyhow)
At level 60 the AC win most games, the AC have two WSG HWL groups going a lot of the time. They win more often in AV than they lose, and ABs go to AC more often with their zerging nature.
The horde HWL group is really not very friendly towards outsiders. We have one of them Razzel of Bloodlines guild who is in the HWL group and he is applauded for it by the GM of the guild, yet our GM dosen't realize that this Razzel person never teams up with anyone from his own guild to help them in BGs or leads anyone. Frankly thats annoying
When I was levlling up it was other way around, Horde would win pug versus pug in either BG more often
Either way I hate Battlegrounds, AC at level 60 have better equipment than the horde do, and I'm sick of being a squishy cloth wearer.
Originally posted by Aseenus guys.. all i can say is get to level 60 then talk okz
every server is different, horde wins av? so bloody wat! alliance win mostly everything else
alliance also out number horde 3-1 world pvp sucks coz of it
ya world PvP with the Horde generally suck because Allies outnumber them on every server. The only PvP server that the Horde seem to have an upper hand is in Boulderfist. But in Battlegrounds it's even. And like I said the allies mock themselves for sucking. Oh and how do you know wer're not lvl 60? Not that I'm saying I am but still...
Originally posted by stoned_drum Alliance can't win becuase its full of little kiddies. Horde FTW!!
the horde has it's share of little kids too, spend a day in the barrens, its actually cause the alliance is full of rogues, i swear every1 there has 1.
You guys need to wake up and think rationally. It's a matter of fact the horde-ally ratio in the servers. Some server has more ally than horde than of course they're gonna win more than the horde. In many cases, sometimes you start with like 10 ally and 3 horde. After the ally capped 2 flags, 5 horde joined the game because there are just not enough horde on that server. Also, the class roster in important too. If one side have no healers and no dps and the other side have the opposite ...then the opposite side is more likely gonna wtfpwn your ass. Then, gear is also important too as you all know. Skills...vent organized teams as well. I usually think of it this way for the 3 bgs...
AV favors horde
AB favors alliance - pally can really defend bases
WSG favors horde - frost shocks are just truly annoying
Saying this is kinda biased anyways...but in our server (laughing skull) this is what it's like. Therefore most of the ally likes to play AB.
Originally posted by paravion You guys need to wake up and think rationally. It's a matter of fact the horde-ally ratio in the servers. Some server has more ally than horde than of course they're gonna win more than the horde. In many cases, sometimes you start with like 10 ally and 3 horde. After the ally capped 2 flags, 5 horde joined the game because there are just not enough horde on that server. Also, the class roster in important too. If one side have no healers and no dps and the other side have the opposite ...then the opposite side is more likely gonna wtfpwn your ass. Then, gear is also important too as you all know. Skills...vent organized teams as well. I usually think of it this way for the 3 bgs... AV favors horde AB favors alliance - pally can really defend bases WSG favors horde - frost shocks are just truly annoying Saying this is kinda biased anyways...but in our server (laughing skull) this is what it's like. Therefore most of the ally likes to play AB.
Umm....ah...no....
On my server Horde usually controls it. The alliance still win but not as much as the Horde. Same with AB...atleast on the 30's and 40's bracket. But the one area where the Alliance own on my server is in the 10-19 bracket. Mainly because of the loads of twinks they have. And it's one guild thats all twinks and thats all they do is play WSG. But they're pretty looked down upon because if they have an easy victory on thie rhands they'll start GY camping. Plus it's a guild full of twinks!
I think that another reason why Horde win is because they are more experienced.
-New players tend to start on Ally, either because people advise them to on forums or because they think that the Alliance are the "good guys". (Which i might add that if you read some of the lore then the Horde are neither good nor evil and same with the alliance in a way)
-The more experienced players, the ones who have played an Ally character to quite high, tend to start their next to characters on Horde for a change. This means that most of the Horde are experienced players from the Alliance and therefore know more strageties (exuse my spelling) and tactics and ways to win than the Alliance players.
Originally posted by OldManFunk Horde has the best racials for PvP as well as Shaman. A well played Shaman is much more valuable than a well played Paladin.
Horde = PvP
Alliance = PvE
No way, I would take a paladin in PvP anyday. Paladins are the ULTIMATE support class, good paladins that heal, cleanse, and keep their teams up are far superior to a Shaman running around hitting people with Chain Lightning. No doubt, shamans are uber, but only times that alliance would destroy us in BGs is when they would have 2-3 healadons, who can keep their entire teams up, by using their blessings - shields - instant heals.
I would also agree that Horde is better in PvP due to the fact they get to PvP more. My server, Lothar, while PvE, the Horde did nothing but PvP. It was 20% horde / 80% alliance, there was 2 guilds in aq40 on Horde, and 10 guilds in aq40 on alliance. However, Horde destroys the alliance in PvP atleast 85% of the time pre made vs pre made. Now, pugs it was absolutely unfair, Horde in greens and blues with good racials isn't going to help vs a alliance pug with tier 1 on everyone, and tier 2 on a good deal of them.
Not sure if this was a problem for you guys, but our server alliance loves to turtle, it is like the only thing they can do in WSG to have a chance. Paladins shine during those turtles, 2-3 of them, it's a 1 hour game for sure. They can bubble and heal each other easily while keeping their full wrath tank alive. Just rely completely on a rogue and a trinket mage to kill the horde FC, since horde has to send 7+ on offense to have a chance.
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You know what I find thats funny is that even though the Hored wins most of the time in BG's, they are the ones who complain that Alliance are twinked out so they go and twink out themselfs to even though they are the one's who are twinked out more than the Alliance.
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Originally posted by Afrit Originally posted by xuinasha Originally posted by OldManFunk Horde has the best racials for PvP as well as Shaman. A well played Shaman is much more valuable than a well played Paladin.
Horde = PvP
Alliance = PvE
I did like to point out, this poster knows the reason for the horde being better in PvP other then that.. allaince has some shitty racial skills ...espcially the night elfs.. shadowmeld is good up to lvl 30 or below.. i dont know why they dont give us anything else.
I personally, think that Alliance have better racial skills for PvP and PvE
Night Elves - Shadowmeld, turn invisible - great for PvE and sometimes PvP
shadowmeld sucks after lvl 20, monsters cna see thru that lvl 1 hide skill.
Humans - Perception - trust me, i tested this out it is actually really good for spotting hidden rogues in the flag room and when they sneak up behind you in Contested Areas.
i agree, great skill for PvP, only <_<
Dwarves - Stoneform - Increased armour and whatnot, good against warriors.
good,both pvp and pve
dwarves cna also pull otu of fear which is also good for pvp, and pve.
Gnomes - Escape Artist - I think this skill is great, while everyone else waits for 20secs frozen by something Gnomes can just get out straight away.
for pvp
Lets see what Horde get:
Undead - Cannabalise, Will of the Forsaken and Underwater breathing better - What use is this in PvP besides Will of the Forsaken? WotF is handy when feared but not as good as some alliance moves IMO
WoTf is good in Pve and pvP.. 60-man raids. maggy and etc.
Orcs - Strength increase, lower armour - Yeah it's OK, but nothing that you couldnt beat with some good armour and weapons
orcs also have stun % resist.. der, anti-rogue there..
Trolls - Beserking - Basically the same as for Orcs
not comptlely the same, trolls also have axe+skill,and hutner advgantges.
Taurens - War Stomp - This is probably one of the best racial moves i will say. Excellent for PvP and PvE.
useless in pve when u hit 60 into raids.. only good for pvP, taurens also have additional hp for both pve,and pvp
These are just my opinions, think what you want.
Edit: But yeah, i do agree that Alliance play BG crapply (atleast at lower levels anyhow)
Originally posted by Afrit Originally posted by xuinasha Originally posted by OldManFunk Horde has the best racials for PvP as well as Shaman. A well played Shaman is much more valuable than a well played Paladin.
Horde = PvP
Alliance = PvE
I did like to point out, this poster knows the reason for the horde being better in PvP other then that.. allaince has some shitty racial skills ...espcially the night elfs.. shadowmeld is good up to lvl 30 or below.. i dont know why they dont give us anything else.
I personally, think that Alliance have better racial skills for PvP and PvE
Gnomes - Escape Artist - I think this skill is great, while everyone else waits for 20secs frozen by something Gnomes can just get out straight away.
can't everyone get the break free trinket from pvp rank?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
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It's partly because Horde get to pvp more often, which gives us a number of important advantages
i) Better teamwork
ii) Knowing the goal of the battleground - WSG is about capturing flags, not running around like a headless chicken in the center of the map.
iii) More experience of which skills/abilities work well in pvp e.g. for rogues, stun attacks become more important
iv) Better pvp tactics - knowing that you should just ignore the warrior trying to beat on you, and heading for that squishy priest doing the healing at the back.
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Horde = PvP
Alliance = PvE
im not over powered! look it took me 10 minutes to kill that guy
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other then that..
allaince has some shitty racial skills ...espcially the night elfs.. shadowmeld is good up to lvl 30 or below.. i dont know why they dont give us anything else.
other then that..
allaince has some shitty racial skills ...espcially the night elfs.. shadowmeld is good up to lvl 30 or below.. i dont know why they dont give us anything else.
I personally, think that Alliance have better racial skills for PvP and PvE
Edit: But yeah, i do agree that Alliance play BG crapply (atleast at lower levels anyhow)
On Stonemaul pvp server,
At level 60 the AC win most games, the AC have two WSG HWL groups going a lot of the time. They win more often in AV than they lose, and ABs go to AC more often with their zerging nature.
The horde HWL group is really not very friendly towards outsiders. We have one of them Razzel of Bloodlines guild who is in the HWL group and he is applauded for it by the GM of the guild, yet our GM dosen't realize that this Razzel person never teams up with anyone from his own guild to help them in BGs or leads anyone. Frankly thats annoying
When I was levlling up it was other way around, Horde would win pug versus pug in either BG more often
Either way I hate Battlegrounds, AC at level 60 have better equipment than the horde do, and I'm sick of being a squishy cloth wearer.
every server is different, horde wins av? so bloody wat! alliance win mostly everything else
alliance also out number horde 3-1 world pvp sucks coz of it
the horde has it's share of little kids too, spend a day in the barrens, its actually cause the alliance is full of rogues, i swear every1 there has 1.
You guys need to wake up and think rationally. It's a matter of fact the horde-ally ratio in the servers. Some server has more ally than horde than of course they're gonna win more than the horde. In many cases, sometimes you start with like 10 ally and 3 horde. After the ally capped 2 flags, 5 horde joined the game because there are just not enough horde on that server. Also, the class roster in important too. If one side have no healers and no dps and the other side have the opposite ...then the opposite side is more likely gonna wtfpwn your ass. Then, gear is also important too as you all know. Skills...vent organized teams as well. I usually think of it this way for the 3 bgs...
AV favors horde
AB favors alliance - pally can really defend bases
WSG favors horde - frost shocks are just truly annoying
Saying this is kinda biased anyways...but in our server (laughing skull) this is what it's like. Therefore most of the ally likes to play AB.
Umm....ah...no....
On my server Horde usually controls it. The alliance still win but not as much as the Horde. Same with AB...atleast on the 30's and 40's bracket. But the one area where the Alliance own on my server is in the 10-19 bracket. Mainly because of the loads of twinks they have. And it's one guild thats all twinks and thats all they do is play WSG. But they're pretty looked down upon because if they have an easy victory on thie rhands they'll start GY camping. Plus it's a guild full of twinks!
-New players tend to start on Ally, either because people advise them to on forums or because they think that the Alliance are the "good guys". (Which i might add that if you read some of the lore then the Horde are neither good nor evil and same with the alliance in a way)
-The more experienced players, the ones who have played an Ally character to quite high, tend to start their next to characters on Horde for a change. This means that most of the Horde are experienced players from the Alliance and therefore know more strageties (exuse my spelling) and tactics and ways to win than the Alliance players.
I would also agree that Horde is better in PvP due to the fact they get to PvP more. My server, Lothar, while PvE, the Horde did nothing but PvP. It was 20% horde / 80% alliance, there was 2 guilds in aq40 on Horde, and 10 guilds in aq40 on alliance. However, Horde destroys the alliance in PvP atleast 85% of the time pre made vs pre made. Now, pugs it was absolutely unfair, Horde in greens and blues with good racials isn't going to help vs a alliance pug with tier 1 on everyone, and tier 2 on a good deal of them.
Not sure if this was a problem for you guys, but our server alliance loves to turtle, it is like the only thing they can do in WSG to have a chance. Paladins shine during those turtles, 2-3 of them, it's a 1 hour game for sure. They can bubble and heal each other easily while keeping their full wrath tank alive. Just rely completely on a rogue and a trinket mage to kill the horde FC, since horde has to send 7+ on offense to have a chance.
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other then that..
allaince has some shitty racial skills ...espcially the night elfs.. shadowmeld is good up to lvl 30 or below.. i dont know why they dont give us anything else.
I personally, think that Alliance have better racial skills for PvP and PvE
Edit: But yeah, i do agree that Alliance play BG crapply (atleast at lower levels anyhow)
That may be a good reason why I quit, Horde on my home server is really frustrating.
other then that..
allaince has some shitty racial skills ...espcially the night elfs.. shadowmeld is good up to lvl 30 or below.. i dont know why they dont give us anything else.
I personally, think that Alliance have better racial skills for PvP and PvE
can't everyone get the break free trinket from pvp rank?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?