Originally posted by Joel1120 How is that thread hi-jacking? I responded to a comment made about what I suggested to the one who started this topic. I would love to know what your explaination is.
Joel, you only harped on playing There. The topic is one that affects all MMORPGs, and you offered nothing constructive to the actual topic.
In fact, you hijack every thread all the time about There. I've been reporting them as I find them, because it really isn't that cool or funny.
I don't know if you are some kind of shill getting paid for this, or if you really are just being a spaz about it, but the joke's been long over. I'm encouraging everyone to report you for hijacking any thread that you try to turn into a There advertisement.
You want to actually talk about the issue of role-playing, and how it is handled and defined alongside other forms of gameplay in an MMO, and the implications of limiting other forms of gameplay to support it, as opposed to only harping on how cool you think There is, be my guest.
Just because you don't like There doesn't mean the one who started this thread won't either. Don't ruin the experience of There for other people, would ya.
Originally posted by Username! Originally posted by Joel1120
Just because you don't like There doesn't mean the one who started this thread won't either. Don't ruin the experience of There for other people, would ya.
Well, do you? I mean just so many people don't like There on this forum I have to assume. But i'm sorry. Also, no one ask me why I still talk about There if no one likes it. The real is because people need to know about it.
Originally posted by Eindrachen Originally posted by Joel1120 How is that thread hi-jacking? I responded to a comment made about what I suggested to the one who started this topic. I would love to know what your explaination is.
Joel, you only harped on playing There. The topic is one that affects all MMORPGs, and you offered nothing constructive to the actual topic.
In fact, you hijack every thread all the time about There. I've been reporting them as I find them, because it really isn't that cool or funny.
I don't know if you are some kind of shill getting paid for this, or if you really are just being a spaz about it, but the joke's been long over. I'm encouraging everyone to report you for hijacking any thread that you try to turn into a There advertisement.
You want to actually talk about the issue of role-playing, and how it is handled and defined alongside other forms of gameplay in an MMO, and the implications of limiting other forms of gameplay to support it, as opposed to only harping on how cool you think There is, be my guest.
Until then, as I say, reported.
I can't suggest anything exept There because I have played nothing but There. Unless I suggest Active Worlds, which is way outdated. I mean, what do you want? Me to suggest nothing by doing a blank post? No, I am going to suggest There when people want a suggestion. It isn't spam or hi-jacking because it offers the topic something. There offers a topic something more then any other MMO.
I can't suggest anything exept There because I have played nothing but There. Unless I suggest Active Worlds, which is way outdated. I mean, what do you want? Me to suggest nothing by doing a blank post? No, I am going to suggest There when people want a suggestion. It isn't spam or hi-jacking because it offers the topic something. There offers a topic something more then any other MMO.
How about you just talk about an MMO without referencing one. Like, abstract how something that happens in one of them could be applicable to all of them.
People don't want a suggestion about a game you want them to play. People want input about the bigger issue at hand.
And I'd rather let the admins decide what is or isn't spam or thread-jacking, according to their rules. If they say you're fine, then everything is kosher.
For the record, your behavior is precisely why I haven't even thought about checking out There. Until you shut up about it, I won't be inclined to bother about it.
I can't suggest anything exept There because I have played nothing but There. Unless I suggest Active Worlds, which is way outdated. I mean, what do you want? Me to suggest nothing by doing a blank post? No, I am going to suggest There when people want a suggestion. It isn't spam or hi-jacking because it offers the topic something. There offers a topic something more then any other MMO.
How about you just talk about an MMO without referencing one. Like, abstract how something that happens in one of them could be applicable to all of them.
People don't want a suggestion about a game you want them to play. People want input about the bigger issue at hand.
And I'd rather let the admins decide what is or isn't spam or thread-jacking, according to their rules. If they say you're fine, then everything is kosher.
For the record, your behavior is precisely why I haven't even thought about checking out There. Until you shut up about it, I won't be inclined to bother about it.
Well, i'd rather you not try There out then try it and then be disapointed. If you don't like socializing, being creative, or building then I don't think There is for you. So, if you do think you'd like it then try it out. Don't let me ruin it for you. I don't even see how I could be stopping you from trying There out.
Yeah i dunno why they even call em MMORPGs anymore considering the mmoRPG the rpg has been butchered out since the money grubbin corporations have taken over.And not too mention most the newer generation of players didnt grow up on d&d like most of us older players did they dunno what rpg even is.IMO if you dont rp MMORPG are just a waste of freakin money its a genra that was specifically made for rpers.Now all you got are players who are just wanting to ease there egos.Or now even worse you got people making a profit by sellin ingame items for money.the genra has been obliterated and is just gonna get worse as they progress.
Originally posted by Rammur Yeah i dunno why they even call em MMORPGs anymore considering the mmoRPG the rpg has been butchered out since the money grubbin corporations have taken over.And not too mention most the newer generation of players didnt grow up on d&d like most of us older players did they dunno what rpg even is.IMO if you dont rp MMORPG are just a waste of freakin money its a genra that was specifically made for rpers.Now all you got are players who are just wanting to ease there egos.Or now even worse you got people making a profit by sellin ingame items for money.the genra has been obliterated and is just gonna get worse as they progress.
Agreed. RPG is now defined as "killing things, taking loot, getting powers/abilities". The idea that you are actually playing the role of a fictional persona, and that you can play the role of that persona in the game, is all but dead these days.
In theory, a fully open environment (i.e. do anything you want) would support this.
In practice, players get on that end up deliberately screwing around, tormenting other players for no reason other than they can.
It was one reason that I liked games like WOW and EQ2 and CoX, where the PVP was fully voluntary, and the player determined how much/often they participated in that kind of content, but they couldn't force other players to do the same.
And that's why I'm hoping that trend of giving players better control of the content they can access will continue.
Eindrachen, Rammur: Ryzom. It's a "sandbox game" like pre-CU/NGE SWG, with consensual PvP. Very friendly and mature community. Deep lore that is very present ingame and is advanced/evolved via live events. Unique science-fantasy setting, races, story, etc. Beautiful 3D graphics. Most importantly, it is conducive to and supportive of RP.
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I highly recommend Final Fantasy XI for roleplaying. Disadvantage is the grind, but if you get a good linkshell (like a guild), which is not hard, since the community is really nice and friendly, you'll have a lot of fun.
I've had many memories from UO roleplaying, it was the ultimate I ever experienced in an mmorpg. Sure there was griefers and pkers but they were dealt with accordingly. We had battles with hundreds of people, all roleplaying different parts in armies, mobs etc etc. The game died down a bit but Europa server still holds the largest UO Rping community and yes its still great rp
I can point you in the direction of a game, a server and a fully active community. I haven't met another game that has this, SWG had bad copies once, which sucked. So here goes, if you want real mmorpg RP;
Game: Ultima Online Server: Europa Community: CoRE - http://core.moongates.org/ Recommended guild: Baronship of Cove (great new starter guild which is about a militia in a town called cove who fights a two front war against other guilds, alliances, stories etc etc, they got it. - http://cove.fantasyworld.nl/
Another guild who is one of the most long actively played guilds on Europa and the RP world there is the Guardsmen Militia, 130 members, they RP guardsmen and play a vital role in most wars. Damn fun! And they are the most strict guild in the RP with strict rules so no griefers here - http://www.guvadan.net/grd/
Im talking from experience if you doubt me, I was there when Spiritwood existed in Felucca, when Bagball was made, when CoY moved to Trammel. I've RPed countless of hours with loads of people there. UO isn't dead yet mwuhaha...
Originally posted by Torrak Any of them out there?
I've been playing WoW a little recently but the RP servers are obviously there just for show, very few actually do it. Most are the usual obnoxious kiddies that seem to inhabit WoW more and more lately. I've also heard that EQ2 does not fare all that well when it comes to finding roleplayers.
What attracts me in games is immersion. I'm not very fond of being the best in PvP or having the best loot in the world. I want to explore, socialize and I prefer to do this in an in-character manner. I'm not one of those people who roleplay a second life and sit around just talking for hours, I usually play the game like any other but I do it in character. Having people jump around me yelling "LOL" and other nonsense can quickly ruin my immersion. And that is a large part of what most MMORPGS are about, an immersive gameworld. This is why I usually end up among the people who roleplay.
My question is, is there a single MMORPG out there that has all this? One with a good, friendly and RP'ing playerbase? Or am I stuck to playing oblivion when I want to immerse myself in a gameworld? I guess I'm not the target audience of todays MMOG's, but I felt I had to try.
Any suggestions, comments would be welcome.
Yes and no.
Okay. Role-playing isn't only just talking and acting. Take Lord of the Rings. Yes, it was a good story about many different kinds of conflict (good vs. evil, nature vs. industry, etc.). But it needed the action as a vehicle for the story. It's like without the action, the conflicts might have taken far too long to come to anything. Likewise, if LOTR didn't have the story it did behind it, it was just a mindless dungeon crawl ala D&D.
Role-playing means getting into the head of the person you are pretending to be. If that means fighting when it's time to fight, then there should be that option. But sometimes it might talking to someone about how stupid it is to fight the enemy faction, just because your leader(s) say that's what has to be done.
It's hard to explain, but for me, MMOs can be a lot like getting to star in your own action movie. Maybe you didn't get to destroy the uber bad-a** dragon, okay. But that doesn't mean there's not just as good a story about standing alone against someone in PVP, or even just taking on hordes of lesser enemies that might have overwhelmed someone else who wasn't quick on the trigger.
Myst... I dunno. The whole Myst storyline was pretty much not my thing to begin with. I tried playing one or two of them, and I just don't like that style of gaming. I need to be at least marginally more active. Magic books that rewrite reality doesn't float my boat. I've got to at least experience some real, down-and-dirty combat somewhere in there.
That's my feelings on it. Others may feel differently, of course.
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There
The only limitation in There is your own imagination!
Joel, you only harped on playing There. The topic is one that affects all MMORPGs, and you offered nothing constructive to the actual topic.
In fact, you hijack every thread all the time about There. I've been reporting them as I find them, because it really isn't that cool or funny.
I don't know if you are some kind of shill getting paid for this, or if you really are just being a spaz about it, but the joke's been long over. I'm encouraging everyone to report you for hijacking any thread that you try to turn into a There advertisement.
You want to actually talk about the issue of role-playing, and how it is handled and defined alongside other forms of gameplay in an MMO, and the implications of limiting other forms of gameplay to support it, as opposed to only harping on how cool you think There is, be my guest.
Until then, as I say, reported.
You did assume that I didn't like There...
Edit: Sorry about hijacking this thread as well
Try Underlight!
Underlight
You did assume that I didn't like There...
Edit: Sorry about hijacking this thread as well
Try Underlight!
Underlight
Well, do you? I mean just so many people don't like There on this forum I have to assume. But i'm sorry. Also, no one ask me why I still talk about There if no one likes it. The real is because people need to know about it.
There
The only limitation in There is your own imagination!
Joel, you only harped on playing There. The topic is one that affects all MMORPGs, and you offered nothing constructive to the actual topic.
In fact, you hijack every thread all the time about There. I've been reporting them as I find them, because it really isn't that cool or funny.
I don't know if you are some kind of shill getting paid for this, or if you really are just being a spaz about it, but the joke's been long over. I'm encouraging everyone to report you for hijacking any thread that you try to turn into a There advertisement.
You want to actually talk about the issue of role-playing, and how it is handled and defined alongside other forms of gameplay in an MMO, and the implications of limiting other forms of gameplay to support it, as opposed to only harping on how cool you think There is, be my guest.
Until then, as I say, reported.
I can't suggest anything exept There because I have played nothing but There. Unless I suggest Active Worlds, which is way outdated. I mean, what do you want? Me to suggest nothing by doing a blank post? No, I am going to suggest There when people want a suggestion. It isn't spam or hi-jacking because it offers the topic something. There offers a topic something more then any other MMO.
There
The only limitation in There is your own imagination!
How about you just talk about an MMO without referencing one. Like, abstract how something that happens in one of them could be applicable to all of them.
People don't want a suggestion about a game you want them to play. People want input about the bigger issue at hand.
And I'd rather let the admins decide what is or isn't spam or thread-jacking, according to their rules. If they say you're fine, then everything is kosher.
For the record, your behavior is precisely why I haven't even thought about checking out There. Until you shut up about it, I won't be inclined to bother about it.
How about you just talk about an MMO without referencing one. Like, abstract how something that happens in one of them could be applicable to all of them.
People don't want a suggestion about a game you want them to play. People want input about the bigger issue at hand.
And I'd rather let the admins decide what is or isn't spam or thread-jacking, according to their rules. If they say you're fine, then everything is kosher.
For the record, your behavior is precisely why I haven't even thought about checking out There. Until you shut up about it, I won't be inclined to bother about it.
Well, i'd rather you not try There out then try it and then be disapointed. If you don't like socializing, being creative, or building then I don't think There is for you. So, if you do think you'd like it then try it out. Don't let me ruin it for you. I don't even see how I could be stopping you from trying There out.
There
The only limitation in There is your own imagination!
I don't want to be creative, I just want a weapon in my hand.
I want to build.
I can do all that in Real life instead of trying There.
But I will try "There"...
This thread has been Joel-jacked.
Agreed. RPG is now defined as "killing things, taking loot, getting powers/abilities". The idea that you are actually playing the role of a fictional persona, and that you can play the role of that persona in the game, is all but dead these days.
In theory, a fully open environment (i.e. do anything you want) would support this.
In practice, players get on that end up deliberately screwing around, tormenting other players for no reason other than they can.
It was one reason that I liked games like WOW and EQ2 and CoX, where the PVP was fully voluntary, and the player determined how much/often they participated in that kind of content, but they couldn't force other players to do the same.
And that's why I'm hoping that trend of giving players better control of the content they can access will continue.
Eindrachen, Rammur: Ryzom. It's a "sandbox game" like pre-CU/NGE SWG, with consensual PvP. Very friendly and mature community. Deep lore that is very present ingame and is advanced/evolved via live events. Unique science-fantasy setting, races, story, etc. Beautiful 3D graphics. Most importantly, it is conducive to and supportive of RP.
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In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on August 13, 2008.
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I can point you in the direction of a game, a server and a fully active community. I haven't met another game that has this, SWG had bad copies once, which sucked. So here goes, if you want real mmorpg RP;
Game: Ultima Online
Server: Europa
Community: CoRE - http://core.moongates.org/
Recommended guild: Baronship of Cove (great new starter guild which is about a militia in a town called cove who fights a two front war against other guilds, alliances, stories etc etc, they got it. - http://cove.fantasyworld.nl/
Another guild who is one of the most long actively played guilds on Europa and the RP world there is the Guardsmen Militia, 130 members, they RP guardsmen and play a vital role in most wars. Damn fun! And they are the most strict guild in the RP with strict rules so no griefers here - http://www.guvadan.net/grd/
Im talking from experience if you doubt me, I was there when Spiritwood existed in Felucca, when Bagball was made, when CoY moved to Trammel. I've RPed countless of hours with loads of people there. UO isn't dead yet mwuhaha...
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Yes and no.
Okay. Role-playing isn't only just talking and acting. Take Lord of the Rings. Yes, it was a good story about many different kinds of conflict (good vs. evil, nature vs. industry, etc.). But it needed the action as a vehicle for the story. It's like without the action, the conflicts might have taken far too long to come to anything. Likewise, if LOTR didn't have the story it did behind it, it was just a mindless dungeon crawl ala D&D.
Role-playing means getting into the head of the person you are pretending to be. If that means fighting when it's time to fight, then there should be that option. But sometimes it might talking to someone about how stupid it is to fight the enemy faction, just because your leader(s) say that's what has to be done.
It's hard to explain, but for me, MMOs can be a lot like getting to star in your own action movie. Maybe you didn't get to destroy the uber bad-a** dragon, okay. But that doesn't mean there's not just as good a story about standing alone against someone in PVP, or even just taking on hordes of lesser enemies that might have overwhelmed someone else who wasn't quick on the trigger.
Myst... I dunno. The whole Myst storyline was pretty much not my thing to begin with. I tried playing one or two of them, and I just don't like that style of gaming. I need to be at least marginally more active. Magic books that rewrite reality doesn't float my boat. I've got to at least experience some real, down-and-dirty combat somewhere in there.
That's my feelings on it. Others may feel differently, of course.