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Another Alternative - Vanguard

OaksteadOakstead Member Posts: 455
Since the first alternative thread seems to be devoted to Saga of Ryzom which is a good possibllity and it is avialable now my clan, Age of Judgement will be moving to Vanguard - Saga of heros because it seems to have the most varied gameplay.

It will have all the conventional quests and raids,etc.

It will be a seamless huge world although on many different servers.

Servers will have different rule sets. The devs stated they will try out various roleplay and PvP rulesets.

It will have a player based economy.

Most importantly, it will have player built houses and outposts. The outposts are planned to be needed only for a short time for giving a benifit for a complex quest arc or mineral extraction. Yet having outposts will provide needed flexibility for roleplay, and something meaningful for PvP on those servers.

Players will get horses nearly from the start for holding exta armor, weapons, etc.

Beta 3 will soon start and they will begin inviting guilds as well has those who have a beta key from Computer Games magazine ;).

ahem, it has potential lol.


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  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321



    Originally posted by Oakstead

    ahem, it has potential lol.


    ~ slaps oak with a wet trerout for using the p word~

    Sorry but I would not touch Vanguard with a ten foot pole and it's not because of SOE. The whole game play concept of forced grouping and naked corpse runs is not for me.

    I miss DAoC

  • lysandinglysanding Member Posts: 154

    www.thronesofchaos.com

    I am tellin ya this ones  gonna pull hrough this time!!  shoulda seen the resume of one of the lead devs post in chat a while back..

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321


    Originally posted by lysanding

    www.thronesofchaos.com
    I am tellin ya this ones  gonna pull hrough this time!!  shoulda seen the resume of one of the lead devs post in chat a while back..



    another perpetual development game ?  Seriously I wish em luck, but I put that one in the wake me when it goes gold catagory. Don't worry it won't be lonley there a lot of other games in there to keep it company.

    On another note though that makes a good point in that thereare so many other inovative games out there some released some still in development. Why waste time and money on DnL?

    I miss DAoC

  • unficypunficyp Member Posts: 3


    Originally posted by lysanding

    www.thronesofchaos.com
    I am tellin ya this ones  gonna pull hrough this time!!  shoulda seen the resume of one of the lead devs post in chat a while back..


    This was Mourning,right ?
  • aNgELfiRe_aNgELfiRe_ Member Posts: 37


    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Originally posted by Oakstead

    ahem, it has potential lol.




    ~ slaps oak with a wet trerout for using the p word~
    Sorry but I would not touch Vanguard with a ten foot pole and it's not because of SOE. The whole game play concept of forced grouping and naked corpse runs is not for me.



    I palyed Ryzom and it is a solid game, the only annyoing thing about it, that you need at least 2 players to be able to advance in it, it's extremely slow alone.

    About Vanguard, it's worse than DnL, just look for beta testers comments. 4 and a half year in the making and the devs are asking players now how they want the game to be... a bit scary.

    aF/SeRa

  • McShaneMcShane Member Posts: 57


    Originally posted by aNgELfiRe_

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Originally posted by Oakstead

    ahem, it has potential lol.




    ~ slaps oak with a wet trerout for using the p word~
    Sorry but I would not touch Vanguard with a ten foot pole and it's not because of SOE. The whole game play concept of forced grouping and naked corpse runs is not for me.



    I palyed Ryzom and it is a solid game, the only annyoing thing about it, that you need at least 2 players to be able to advance in it, it's extremely slow alone.

    About Vanguard, it's worse than DnL, just look for beta testers comments. 4 and a half year in the making and the devs are asking players now how they want the game to be... a bit scary.



    ROFL, well, you certainly insulted Vanguard, so you accomplished what you wanted. But even if Vanguard is dull and boring, it'll be way better than DnL just for the quality, IMO of course.
  • FaydakeenFaydakeen Member Posts: 22

    I don't think anything will be as bad as DnL.  Hell, I have never been in a beta as bad as DnL in its released state.

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321


    Originally posted by Faydakeen

    I don't think anything will be as bad as DnL.  Hell, I have never been in a beta as bad as DnL in its released state.


    UO man, all the beta testers were begging Origin to not release it in the state it was in. It was bad, real bad. But that was in 97, have not seen a release as bad  DnL since, of course I missed EQ's in 99.

    I miss DAoC

  • FaydakeenFaydakeen Member Posts: 22
    Yeah your right Jackdog.  I started out with UO and that was a pretty bad release.  Forgot about that one.  EQ had its issues but not even comparable to DnL. 
  • jimmyman99jimmyman99 Member UncommonPosts: 3,221
    Vanguard is not being developed by NC. So it cant be worse then D&L.

    I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
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  • TithrielleTithrielle Member Posts: 547


    Originally posted by aNgELfiRe_

    About Vanguard, it's worse than DnL, just look for beta testers comments. 4 and a half year in the making and the devs are asking players now how they want the game to be... a bit scary.


    Because god forbid a company actually make a game that the players want...

    Idiot.
  • AvituAvitu Member Posts: 140


    Originally posted by jimmyman99
    Vanguard is not being developed by NC. So it cant be worse then D&L.



    no, but SOE have gotten their hands on Vanguard...So no matter how good the game is at release, it will quickly degenerate

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  • jimmyman99jimmyman99 Member UncommonPosts: 3,221


    Originally posted by Avitu
    no, but SOE have gotten their hands on Vanguard...So no matter how good the game is at release, it will quickly degenerate


    So, if SOE boxes the game and promotes it, it is doomed for failure? With that logic we wont see ANY released games becuase big companies have their hands in a lot of games. Seriously though, it has been said a zillion times over and over, SOE is only publishing the game. I doubt Sigil is dumb enough to sell themselves to SOE or even to let them influence VSOH development.

    I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
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  • Mikey0002Mikey0002 Member Posts: 97
    No offense but Vanguard is not exactly the best alternative to DnL. Its nothing like what DnL promised. DnL was meant to be a game focused mainly on PvP. YOu know, the bad vs the good, and battle for conquest of land and all that BS.

    Well, there are no games like what DnL promised.

    But there are games where you can have your guild fighting for power instead. Vanguard is not PvP focused, it is PvE focused, and is going to be focused on PvE. So if you want to rule a kingdom or some land;

    Lineage II (only bad thing; early stages (lower lvls) its hard, and the economy is really really bad. Costs a fortune to get a weapon. Overall, great game with politics and everything you would have liked to see in DnL. Just no emphasis on crafting though it is there.

    Then another alternative is Archlord, which is another Korean game comming out later on this year hopefully. Beta will be starting soon, and its already Open beta in Korea. Yeah its a Korean game with a hell of a grind, but the ideas for GvG combat are there. You get to be the ruler of the world for one month and all that, and at the end of that month you are given the chance to hold your rulership for longer, or else be challenged by another guild. Looks good and fun, not sure about all the features, but its got its politics and all that DnL doesn't have already in....so you can't be worried. Anyway, I can't say its going to be a good game, since I have not played it yet. Anyway, check it out.


    Have to put something up!



  • Originally posted by lysanding

    www.thronesofchaos.com
    I am tellin ya this ones  gonna pull hrough this time!!  shoulda seen the resume of one of the lead devs post in chat a while back..


    LOL anything like the bs filled histories of the team of Farlan/NP3? They stated they have enjoyed a 'long standing" experience in gaming LOL ahh yeh, uh huh...LOL Not saying this guys resume is crapola too just making sure you take most of this stuff with a grain of salt....well, in DNL's case, a case of seasoning.
  • AvituAvitu Member Posts: 140
    Originally posted by jimmyman99

    Originally posted by Avitu
    no, but SOE have gotten their hands on Vanguard...So no matter how good the game is at release, it will quickly degenerate

    So, if SOE boxes the game and promotes it, it is doomed for failure? With that logic we wont see ANY released games becuase big companies have their hands in a lot of games. Seriously though, it has been said a zillion times over and over, SOE is only publishing the game. I doubt Sigil is dumb enough to sell themselves to SOE or even to let them influence VSOH development.




    Well, let me put it like this...SOE make good publicity for their games and they sell well. Then they screw the community over, by turning those same games (which were mostly good at the start) to crap. Look at EQ2 and SWG.
    If you look at the playerbases of Everquest and SWG: 75% of those original players have left the games because of SOE's screw-ups and will never play a game published by SOE again.
    Maybe they only publish it, but mark my words, the game will quickly degenerate into crap, like the other SOE games have.
    Still, it gives them an advantage over Blizzard, I guess: WoW was crap from the start :)

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  • VyavaVyava Member Posts: 893


    Originally posted by Avitu
    Well, let me put it like this...SOE make good publicity for their games and they sell well. Then they screw the community over, by turning those same games (which were mostly good at the start) to crap. Look at EQ2 and SWG.
    If you look at the playerbases of Everquest and SWG: 75% of those original players have left the games because of SOE's screw-ups and will never play a game published by SOE again.
    Maybe they only publish it, but mark my words, the game will quickly degenerate into crap, like the other SOE games have.
    Still, it gives them an advantage over Blizzard, I guess: WoW was crap from the start :)


    It will degrade into crap, but that has nothing to do with SOE but because of Sigil.
  • VyavaVyava Member Posts: 893

    Double post. Odd 2nd in ~24hours too.

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