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do veteran mmorpg'ers agree??
Povey151
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That this game, while has some nice basic UI and player controls....doesnt scratch the surface of greatness that the original mmorpgs had? Im not saying I/We are biased because those are what popped out "mmorpg cherries" but all the same......I feel this game is just weak compared to the originals.
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As for UO and more sandbox like games or DAOC and its good RvR pvp. Well yeah WoW is pretty weak in that regard. I have to say they failed to live up to their hype in the PvP department, it was almost good but they messed it up.
So the answer is yes and no.
Yeah. It's a fun game, but doesn't have much to it. The endgame really let me down as I'm not such a huge fan of raiding for items that may not even drop. The PvP is fun for a while, but with only 3 BGs, it gets old. Great for new players but doesn't live up to the originals in the long term.
Maybe that's just because the originals were just that, original. They were a new type of game that hadn't been done before and players got to take part in a huge online world for the first time. WoW doesn't have that novelty and doesn't really have any groundbreaking new features.
It would be great if they took out a lot of the raid requirements, and added some new features. Like politics, wars, changes in geography, and more player involvement in the evolution of the world. Hopefully the expansion will be able to rejuvenate the game, and shake things up a little.
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Early EQ was truly great. Great. Much greater than WOW.
But why?
Maybe because it had hidden stuff in the world. Everything in WOW is mapped out and discovered, quite easily. But EQ1 still has some hidden stuff. I've heard a rumor that there are some quests in the original game that have never been discovered. A world with hidden stuff is a world of mystery, no matter how many times you enter a particular zone.
EQ1 was dangerous, so everything felt more real. No consequences in WOW, not of substance anyway.
EQ1 had graphics which tried for realism, even though they were crude. WOW clearly aims at cartoonish graphics and the whole game has the feel of a big cartoon.
First person view of EQ1 does much more for immersion than the 3rd person view in modern MMORPG's.
Chuck Norris would play EQ1, but would never be caught in WOW.
-iCeh
There is actually a ton of content pre 60 in WoW, problem is there is almost no reason to do it. You can often solo grind XP faster to level than get groups to do a quest that is appropriate to your level. By the time you can solo the quests the rewards have almost no value except to sell to NPC.
Flash forward to level 60 and almost all of the quests are repetitive grinding of an isntance for faction. Raiding and non raid dungeons both follow this pattern from the Ras Frostwhisper chain, the Hydraxis chain, Broodlord chain...etc etc etc.
All the fun from 1-59 disappears at 60 for many. WoW is enjoyable because it is rather simple and just arcad~ish fun. Once it loses that aspect through grinding it doesn't have anything to offer.
I would pick up and play WoW over EQ any day hands down. yes, even with the 30 tons of expansions EQ1 has.
It is so much better than EQ over every aspect that is no wonder EQ came first. WoW's developers, that include some old school EQ guys, took what they liked from EQ and all other games released in between and cleared it up.
I personally love it. I really cannot stand grinds, heavy ones especially, and I found EQ to have one of the worst, just after FFXI.
Plus it was clear at the time the game was experimental. they didn't really know what was working or not so many things in the game feel crude and un-polished. Of course they were the first of their type so that is to be expected, but the new, modern, polished product still look and feel much better.
Oh, Billius, maybe you didn't noticed that ALL Mmorpgs around (beside the 2D ones) have a first person view?
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
Yes, pre-60 it's a great game, i remember raiding Astranaar(sp?) a lot with some friends at Level 40 and i said "this'll be so cool at Level 60", but once Level 60 came there was little to no point in doing it, it just wasn't as fun as the challenge that it was at 40. There's no ??'s to be scared of... oh and dodging Civilians makes it even worse!
I reckon if they took out Civilians -or at least made them none hitable- then this game would be a lot more fun, world PvP is almost dead because of this, no-one wants to get a DK, so no-one runs into the towns and we all fight at distances.
-iCeh
Can’t agree with the OP at all ... and I’ve been playing mmorpgs since beta 3 of EQ1, and have played them all. WOW is an excellent game. But like all games it boils down to what you make of it. If people just want to ignore most of the content and simply grind to 60 as quickly as possible, then that’s what they do, and they get bored fast. If they want to enjoy all the content that the game provides, it’s a different matter - and make no mistake, there’s a lot more content in WOW than there was in EQ before the expansions started coming out.
Everywhere I go in WOW I see a significant number of people who don’t do content until they’re too high for it. That must be boring as hell, and it certainly must seem simple. OTOH if people seek out challenge, there is plenty to be found.
I am not saying WOW is better than EQ. I doubt I’ll ever love anything as much as EQ, and it did have the plus of being a more difficult, more painful game (which I doubt we will ever see again since all the whiners revolt against any difficulty). But WOW is a dang good game. As far as what to do when you're 60 and bored, EQ had the same problem. Now and then you just have to chill and wait for the next expansion.
hehe, retired with 256 DK's
BOW YOUR HEADS!!
hehe, retired with 256 DK's
BOW YOUR HEADS!!
LOL! Damn. Well i was going to get as many DK's as i could once i reached Rank 14, but that day never came, playing 24/7 just gave me an headache.
-iCeh
i agree that this game is great pre 60 after that all content becomes raiding and the game becomes
to me, nothing compares to preCU SWG. not WoW, not EQ, or any other game ive ever played. was the first mmo i played that didnt feel like it was talking to me in "baby speak". sadly i dont think we will ever see anything that immersive and diverse and interdependent ever again.
DAMN YOU SOE.
SWG ADDICT...clean since the NGE
WoW is an amazing PvE and content driven game.
The big issue with the game is that while PvE is great, players are STARVED for a good pvp game at the moment...And WoW just doesnt deliver, the Honor ranks are based on time and not skill nor effort. People are hiring foreigners to grind thier characters to the top pvp ranks because its all about time.
The first game that manages to balance PvE with a great PvP system will challange WoW's subscriptions IMO.
Let's face it, the PvP in this game sucks. While it's good fun playing the BGs for the first few times, it soon becomes a bore. Also you need to raid to get good items, because it's nearly impossible to get the pvp item sets, unless you play a LOT.
So on older servers you get ganked by the 24/7 raiders with T2 (soon-to-be T3) sets and unless you put a lot of time into raiding you will lag behind in terms of items - which, in the item-centric game that WoW is, sucks.
I miss DAoC PvP...yes, they introduced ToA, but honestly it was nothing compared to the grind-fest that WoW currently is.
And DAoC PvP pre ToA was so much fun, you leveled to 50, got your SC set and a few assorted quest items - done, you could PvP forever (or till the release of ToA
at least it doesn't take me couple years to get there...
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"