Originally posted by William2008 Dana, Is there a possiblity of MMORPG.com requesting another interview in a couple of months? I'd like to see if we could squeeze any more answers out of them. By the way, thanks for your time. I love you.
Well, my crack editorial plan was to just ignore them, but sure
As to consoles, they did say direct ports are evil and if they do a console version, it will feel as if it was the original intended platform.
Dana Massey Formerly of MMORPG.com Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
Originally posted by Anofalye And what if they would be making a Fallout 3? I can't rule that out! Ahhhhh my sanity! Or maybe BG 3? *start drooling over the keyboard*
Sorry to be out of topic but Fallout 3 is under way
To really get the theorists going, let's remember that since his departure from SOE as Chief Creative Officer, Raph Koster might be looking for a new gig.
Well that was nice to finally get some info, but as most know reputation counts a lot. And i'm in the boat of no matter what they make, i'll be one of the ones preordering it. Just because Bioware is that good plain and simple. And i'm willing to wager at least half of their normal millions of customers feel the same way. Just can't wait to see what it will be about.
I'm willing to bet that it will be based on their Dragon Age game... but neverknow
Originally posted by Brynn Ok, this article made me all excited, until I read the console comments. It's my opinion that creating a game for the console just ruins it for me, since I use the computer and I like the versatility of a computer game and the ability to work with the interface to my preference. But, I guess I can't fight it, seems to be the wave of the future. Why, I don't know. Doesn't make sense to me.
Well with all the new advances with the consoles, the Xbox 360 in its own right is much better than many current PCs and can be used with a keyboard just like a normal computer. The versatility will remain anyway. thus is why many MMOs currently are being looked at to get ported over to the Xbox 360. It has its own hard drive and all to keep getting the updates and such that are innate with MMOs. And it seems that the norm is to use XML as the base for intergrating flexability to the UI of many new and upcomming MMOs. In other words i wouldn't worry about it, flexability and versatility should be a key element to any MMO UI.
I believe this is the new Star Wars Galaxies! I heard many rumors that Bioware bought the Contract for the game and was told from the people from slashdot.com that it had been! The Hints Are given if you are a vetern of the game
[quote]"The primary high-level goal of BioWare Austin’s project is to apply that brand of storytelling to an MMORPG."............Whatever they produce, it will be a story driven game.[/quote]
Thats what Sony Attempted to do with SWG and failed being huge with stories such as the Cries of Alderran etc.
[quote]That’s not to say the two veterans are totally burnt out on this genre. The major asset MMORPGs have, according to both men, are their communities. They also noted things like crafting and economies as extremely interesting to them.[/quote]
For over 25 years star wars has been coming out on movie books have been coming out for even longer. Like before Sony Screwed up SWG What is a game without a great and fantastic crafter to make you armor, a weapon, train mounts
Originally posted by elzilcho21 I believe this is the new Star Wars Galaxies! I heard many rumors that Bioware bought the Contract for the game and was told from the people from slashdot.com that it had been! The Hints Are given if you are a vetern of the game
[quote]"The primary high-level goal of BioWare Austin’s project is to apply that brand of storytelling to an MMORPG."............Whatever they produce, it will be a story driven game.[/quote]
Thats what Sony Attempted to do with SWG and failed being huge with stories such as the Cries of Alderran etc.
[quote]That’s not to say the two veterans are totally burnt out on this genre. The major asset MMORPGs have, according to both men, are their communities. They also noted things like crafting and economies as extremely interesting to them.[/quote]
For over 25 years star wars has been coming out on movie books have been coming out for even longer. Like before Sony Screwed up SWG What is a game without a great and fantastic crafter to make you armor, a weapon, train mounts
you should try to read the posts before posting ^^
Why does every company think we want games that are strongly story driven? Or is it that there is a misunderstanding in the use of words? =/
*The dream of a humble player*
I want to MAKE the stories, I want to be the creator. I want to walk where I want, fight whom I want, wear what I want, and be whom I want! I want to be able to change what I am when I get bored or driven to it, I want to be able to use less benefitial combinations of skill/persona/equipment/armor if it fits my storyline or simply my current mood. I want to be able to build houses, create clothes, manufacture items, trade with other players, digg our resources ( not having them handed to me), or jsut sit down and talk for hours in a comfortable and appealing environment. I want to set the economy, drive the finances, play the politics, form governments and assasinate senators. I want to start epic wars, develop the strategy, battle whom ever I want even if I know its instant death, and choose freely who is my enemy from the beginning.
Free from deep and binding preset stories, from levels, classes and restrictions, from soulbound or unwearable items, from invisible walls or preset enemies.
I don't want the story set for me, I want to create it!
Don't give me an interactive game, give me an interactive world.
I agree with most here that it will NOT be a Star Wars or any Space Sim type MMO. I think the Star Wars/Star Trek Goober fanbios need to stop getting their hopes up.
However it does make me wonder why Turbine developed a D&D MMO that is based off the Ebberron realm rather than the most popular "Forgotten Realms". And that also Obsidian is developing NwN2 instead of Bioware doing it since they are the origins of NwN in the first place.
Yeah, I know. I am only dreaming that we will see the sword coast in a massive world of players. But I just can't help imagining being able to run from Amn, to Baldur's Gate, up to Water Deep, then onto Neverwinter to be locked out to a current plague (LOL, j/k) and then onto Luskan and even onto Icewind Dale..Maybe even trek in land to lurkwood, The Evermoors or deep into the High Forests to discover unknown and ancient tombs. Maybe you can go as far to travels for weeks to discover lands past the Anauroch Desert. The Danger awaits you and your path. Shall you strive to survive and live to tell the tails of your adventures in "THE FORGOTTEN REALMS ADVENTURES....ONLINE"
hehe just kidding. I WISH!!!
Well, outside of the typical human and elf slaying the all mighty dragon....I really think Bioware is going for the Sci Fi type, but not like the braces, zits and tape of the glasses type of Sci Fi *cough* SPACE SIM Star Wars/Star Trek *cough*...But more of what we ALLLLL been DIEING TO GET INTO . Well atleast me...is something like......................
Hmm, there was another game that was a post apocalyptic scenrio that I think would be a perfect but I don't recall the game. It was a sp game but I could only imagine it being a game of survival and using the elements to (craft) and trade (economy).
I am pretty sure a lot people reading this are going wild with their imagination as to how PvP would have a awesome purpose here as we think of Fallout and other games to even include movies like the Road Warrior "Madmax" stuff and on and on.
Well, Don't you all think it is time for a Sci Fi MMO of this type?
Well For one I am 38 years old I don't have tape on my glasses, infact I only wear glasses to drive and that has only been like that for the past 2 years.but I have been a Star wars fan ever since I was a child and my dad brought me to see the first Star wars, which by the way was Episode 4 LOL! I would love for Bioware to do a Star wars MMORPG and this time do it right. but I too do not think they are doing a Star wars game, but I tell you this I think that an awesome idea would to make a 3rd generation DUNE MMORPG! NOW that would be AWESOME! I would love to be a reverend Mother and a tailor one at that hehe!
New SWG would be great. But there is one SWG allready - and i think Sony is not letting it go.
What i would be extremely happy to see is another game Bioware holds rights to ( and only rights to its MMO version) :
FALLOUT
I doubt there is any game with so much potential for an excelent MMO in every aspect.
It is not fantasy , it is cruel with lot of potential for both pvp and rvr , its setting is so crafting/gathering oriented - no other setting comes close to it , it has great potential for guilds organisations ... and finally story line and roleplay aspects are simply fantastic.
If any MMO is set to break the mold it is surely Fallout Online
I hope Bioware is doing it ....
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
It's conceivable that BioWare Austin could create a Star Wars MMORPG based on the Old Republic of 4000 years ago, and which was the setting for BioWare's two KOTOR single-player games.
As for Fallout, it seems that Bethesda Softworks (makers of TES: Oblivion) acquired from Interplay the rights to make a single-player sequel (Fallout 3), but not the rights to make a MMOG based on the Fallout IP. (Side note: Interplay apparently also sold the rights to a pen-and-paper version of Fallout to someone called Glutton Creeper Games.)
Whether that means that Interplay has retained the rights to make a MMOG from Fallout is unclear. If so, we probably won't see one anytime soon as the last report I saw was that Interplay is basically shut down for lack of cash. If it goes under, there's no telling what will happen to any IP it retains, including a Fallout MMOG.
Or BA might just go nuts and develop a MMORPG based on an original IP. Probably depends on how much control the investors have over creative direction.
I wonder whether Warren Spector is still working on a MMORPG with Junction Point in Austin...?
BioWare does not have to use the classical time frame, nor the Old Republic time frame if they were indeed doing a SW game. They have other possibilities like doing Extended Universe. They could do an entire game in the Outer Rim. They could go back before the Old Republic. Etc, etc.
And as noted, KotOR 2 problems were not with BioWare. The reason KotOR 2 was the way it was happened to be because it was a start up company with no clout, Obsidian. Obsidian had neither the clout, the reputation, nor the resources to be able to tell LA to "Shut up, kthx, we'll release it when we're ready".
LA at its base is still a business, and made gobs of money with their partnership with BioWare while doing KotOR. Currently they are not making anything near their projections with SOE that they thought they should of with SWG.
BioWare has effectively worked with LA before and made an awesome game. I don't believe it was BioWare who was upset with the partnership at the time. They just basically stuck to their own timeframe and ignored LA's attempts to speed up the process.
I believe it was LA who was frustrated with things not moving quickly enough and then took the opportunity to take the next KotOR to a start up company they could have more control over. And amazingly enough, have gotten great heat for the way they handled Obsidian and forced them to put out an unfinished product just to hit a Christmas release.
I wouldn't put it by them at all to license another SW MMOG because they can not be happy looking at Blizzard success with a license that is less recognizable then their own. SW is normally a license to just print money.
Odds are against it, but it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility.
Having said all that, BioWare can do just about anything, original idea, or license. I could care less. All I know is that I've been hoping for years that they would throw their hat in the MMOG arena.
BTW, just wanted to add, EQ2 was announced May 2002....three years after release of EQ. SWG has been released for 3 years ago.
I'm not saying BioWare is doing a SW MMOG, just saying that those thinking it's "too soon", or that one is already released so they wont start working on another one isn't supported by past actions in the industry.
I'm just saying you can not dismiss it until we get the real dirt.
...but wouldn't it be great if they were doing a new SW MMOG?
Originally posted by req3st0r Originally posted by Cutedge When discussing the Wii, they told us something that really hit home for their product as well. “Innovation has a high cost… failure.”
Just because you ran SWG into the ground doesn't mean that anything that has innovative elements in it will fail.
Did Bioware have anything to do with SWG? I've never heard anything about that? I'm pretty sure they didn't, but ever since I touched SWG in beta I've stayed far far away so I'm definitely out of touch. If so it would definitely temper my expectations...
Bioware had nothing to do with SWG, they've never done an mmorpg. Bioware is known for having very high quality developers and is known for it's patatience when developing games. Bioware is also highly respected in the RPG industry.
Can Bioware pull it off? I don't know. If any company has the quality and the expereince to unseat Blizzard, it is Bioware IMO. But the mmorpg industry is a tough business and can be very expensive if large scale. I wish them well. I have very good feelings for Bioware and I hope they take the time to learn from the successes and failures of other mmorpg companies.
Originally posted by Syagrius Originally posted by req3st0r Originally posted by Cutedge When discussing the Wii, they told us something that really hit home for their product as well. “Innovation has a high cost… failure.”
Just because you ran SWG into the ground doesn't mean that anything that has innovative elements in it will fail.
Did Bioware have anything to do with SWG? I've never heard anything about that? I'm pretty sure they didn't, but ever since I touched SWG in beta I've stayed far far away so I'm definitely out of touch. If so it would definitely temper my expectations...
Bioware had nothing to do with SWG, they've never done an mmorpg. Bioware is known for having very high quality developers and is known for it's patatience when developing games. Bioware is also highly respected in the RPG industry.
Walton was the executive producer for Star Wars Galaxies.
I know Bioware had nothing to do with SWG, I never said that. I made the comment (a long time ago) about Walton who had the "innovation has the cost of failure" comment.
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As to consoles, they did say direct ports are evil and if they do a console version, it will feel as if it was the original intended platform.
Dana Massey
Formerly of MMORPG.com
Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios
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"In faith there is enough light for those who want to believe and enough shadows to blind those who don''t." -Blaise Pascal
To really get the theorists going, let's remember that since his departure from SOE as Chief Creative Officer, Raph Koster might be looking for a new gig.
--Flatfingers
Well that was nice to finally get some info, but as most know reputation counts a lot. And i'm in the boat of no matter what they make, i'll be one of the ones preordering it. Just because Bioware is that good plain and simple. And i'm willing to wager at least half of their normal millions of customers feel the same way. Just can't wait to see what it will be about.
I'm willing to bet that it will be based on their Dragon Age game... but neverknow
I believe this is the new Star Wars Galaxies! I heard many rumors that Bioware bought the Contract for the game and was told from the people from slashdot.com that it had been! The Hints Are given if you are a vetern of the game
[quote]"The primary high-level goal of BioWare Austin’s project is to apply that brand of storytelling to an MMORPG."............Whatever they produce, it will be a story driven game.[/quote]
Thats what Sony Attempted to do with SWG and failed being huge with stories such as the Cries of Alderran etc.
[quote]That’s not to say the two veterans are totally burnt out on this genre.
The major asset MMORPGs have, according to both men, are their
communities. They also noted things like crafting and economies as
extremely interesting to them.[/quote]
For over 25 years star wars has been coming out on movie books have been coming out for even longer. Like before Sony Screwed up SWG What is a game without a great and fantastic crafter to make you armor, a weapon, train mounts
Why does every company think we want games that are strongly story driven? Or is it that there is a misunderstanding in the use of words? =/
*The dream of a humble player*
I want to MAKE the stories, I want to be the creator. I want to walk where I want, fight whom I want, wear what I want, and be whom I want! I want to be able to change what I am when I get bored or driven to it, I want to be able to use less benefitial combinations of skill/persona/equipment/armor if it fits my storyline or simply my current mood. I want to be able to build houses, create clothes, manufacture items, trade with other players, digg our resources ( not having them handed to me), or jsut sit down and talk for hours in a comfortable and appealing environment. I want to set the economy, drive the finances, play the politics, form governments and assasinate senators. I want to start epic wars, develop the strategy, battle whom ever I want even if I know its instant death, and choose freely who is my enemy from the beginning.
Free from deep and binding preset stories, from levels, classes and restrictions, from soulbound or unwearable items, from invisible walls or preset enemies.
I don't want the story set for me, I want to create it!
Don't give me an interactive game, give me an interactive world.
Sincerely
a gaming student
ps: oh yea... and give us 18+ servers!
I agree with most here that it will NOT be a Star Wars or any Space Sim type MMO. I think the Star Wars/Star Trek Goober fanbios need to stop getting their hopes up.
However it does make me wonder why Turbine developed a D&D MMO that is based off the Ebberron realm rather than the most popular "Forgotten Realms". And that also Obsidian is developing NwN2 instead of Bioware doing it since they are the origins of NwN in the first place.
Yeah, I know. I am only dreaming that we will see the sword coast in a massive world of players. But I just can't help imagining being able to run from Amn, to Baldur's Gate, up to Water Deep, then onto Neverwinter to be locked out to a current plague (LOL, j/k) and then onto Luskan and even onto Icewind Dale..Maybe even trek in land to lurkwood, The Evermoors or deep into the High Forests to discover unknown and ancient tombs. Maybe you can go as far to travels for weeks to discover lands past the Anauroch Desert. The Danger awaits you and your path. Shall you strive to survive and live to tell the tails of your adventures in "THE FORGOTTEN REALMS ADVENTURES....ONLINE"
hehe just kidding. I WISH!!!
Well, outside of the typical human and elf slaying the all mighty dragon....I really think Bioware is going for the Sci Fi type, but not like the braces, zits and tape of the glasses type of Sci Fi *cough* SPACE SIM Star Wars/Star Trek *cough*...But more of what we ALLLLL been DIEING TO GET INTO . Well atleast me...is something like......................
..............................................FALLOUT.................................................
Hmm, there was another game that was a post apocalyptic scenrio that I think would be a perfect but I don't recall the game. It was a sp game but I could only imagine it being a game of survival and using the elements to (craft) and trade (economy).
I am pretty sure a lot people reading this are going wild with their imagination as to how PvP would have a awesome purpose here as we think of Fallout and other games to even include movies like the Road Warrior "Madmax" stuff and on and on.
Well, Don't you all think it is time for a Sci Fi MMO of this type?
I do!!!
Well For one I am 38 years old I don't have tape on my glasses, infact I only wear glasses to drive and that has only been like that for the past 2 years.but I have been a Star wars fan ever since I was a child and my dad brought me to see the first Star wars, which by the way was Episode 4 LOL!
I would love for Bioware to do a Star wars MMORPG and this time do it right.
but I too do not think they are doing a Star wars game, but I tell you this I think that an awesome idea would to make a 3rd generation DUNE MMORPG! NOW that would be AWESOME! I would love to be a reverend Mother and a tailor one at that hehe!
What i would be extremely happy to see is another game Bioware holds rights to ( and only rights to its MMO version) :
FALLOUT
I doubt there is any game with so much potential for an excelent MMO in every aspect.
It is not fantasy , it is cruel with lot of potential for both pvp and rvr , its setting is so crafting/gathering oriented - no other setting comes close to it , it has great potential for guilds organisations ... and finally story line and roleplay aspects are simply fantastic.
If any MMO is set to break the mold it is surely Fallout Online
I hope Bioware is doing it ....
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
It's conceivable that BioWare Austin could create a Star Wars MMORPG based on the Old Republic of 4000 years ago, and which was the setting for BioWare's two KOTOR single-player games.
As for Fallout, it seems that Bethesda Softworks (makers of TES: Oblivion) acquired from Interplay the rights to make a single-player sequel (Fallout 3), but not the rights to make a MMOG based on the Fallout IP. (Side note: Interplay apparently also sold the rights to a pen-and-paper version of Fallout to someone called Glutton Creeper Games.)
Whether that means that Interplay has retained the rights to make a MMOG from Fallout is unclear. If so, we probably won't see one anytime soon as the last report I saw was that Interplay is basically shut down for lack of cash. If it goes under, there's no telling what will happen to any IP it retains, including a Fallout MMOG.
Or BA might just go nuts and develop a MMORPG based on an original IP. Probably depends on how much control the investors have over creative direction.
I wonder whether Warren Spector is still working on a MMORPG with Junction Point in Austin...?
--Flatfingers
And as noted, KotOR 2 problems were not with BioWare. The reason KotOR 2 was the way it was happened to be because it was a start up company with no clout, Obsidian. Obsidian had neither the clout, the reputation, nor the resources to be able to tell LA to "Shut up, kthx, we'll release it when we're ready".
LA at its base is still a business, and made gobs of money with their partnership with BioWare while doing KotOR. Currently they are not making anything near their projections with SOE that they thought they should of with SWG.
BioWare has effectively worked with LA before and made an awesome game. I don't believe it was BioWare who was upset with the partnership at the time. They just basically stuck to their own timeframe and ignored LA's attempts to speed up the process.
I believe it was LA who was frustrated with things not moving quickly enough and then took the opportunity to take the next KotOR to a start up company they could have more control over. And amazingly enough, have gotten great heat for the way they handled Obsidian and forced them to put out an unfinished product just to hit a Christmas release.
I wouldn't put it by them at all to license another SW MMOG because they can not be happy looking at Blizzard success with a license that is less recognizable then their own. SW is normally a license to just print money.
Odds are against it, but it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility.
Having said all that, BioWare can do just about anything, original idea, or license. I could care less. All I know is that I've been hoping for years that they would throw their hat in the MMOG arena.
I'm not saying BioWare is doing a SW MMOG, just saying that those thinking it's "too soon", or that one is already released so they wont start working on another one isn't supported by past actions in the industry.
I'm just saying you can not dismiss it until we get the real dirt.
...but wouldn't it be great if they were doing a new SW MMOG?
Bioware had nothing to do with SWG, they've never done an mmorpg. Bioware is known for having very high quality developers and is known for it's patatience when developing games. Bioware is also highly respected in the RPG industry.
Can Bioware pull it off? I don't know. If any company has the quality and the expereince to unseat Blizzard, it is Bioware IMO. But the mmorpg industry is a tough business and can be very expensive if large scale. I wish them well. I have very good feelings for Bioware and I hope they take the time to learn from the successes and failures of other mmorpg companies.
Bioware had nothing to do with SWG, they've never done an mmorpg. Bioware is known for having very high quality developers and is known for it's patatience when developing games. Bioware is also highly respected in the RPG industry.
Walton was the executive producer for Star Wars Galaxies.
I know Bioware had nothing to do with SWG, I never said that. I made the comment (a long time ago) about Walton who had the "innovation has the cost of failure" comment.