Misconceptions abou BOB

Stumpy26 · June 2006

I have heard many rumors about BOB, that they are a bunch of bloodthirsty, ruthless Player killers. But I have never met any BOB member personaly. So im sure this isnt entirely true what Ive heard. Could a BOB member please explain what you are all about and what you do?

No this isnt leading to me asking to go into BOB im far too much of a noob for that

is it true that BOB is the most powerful player corp in EVE? and I heard BOB has built a couple Titans and whats ur member count ? are we talking hundreds, thousands *gulps* more?.

Im just curious thats all

Rychek · June 2006

Originally posted by Stumpy26

I have heard many rumors about BOB, that they are a bunch of bloodthirsty, ruthless Player killers. But I have never met any BOB member personaly. So im sure this isnt entirely true what Ive heard. Could a BOB member please explain what you are all about and what you do?

No this isnt leading to me asking to go into BOB im far too much of a noob for that
is it true that BOB is the most powerful player corp in EVE? and I heard BOB has built a couple Titans and whats ur member count ? are we talking hundreds, thousands *gulps* more?.
Im just curious thats all

The biggest misconception about BoB is that you need to know any of this. Space is a big place. Its very easy to find a section of 0.0 that will never see a BoB member.

ps. I'm not in BoB

Minsc · June 2006

Originally posted by Stumpy26

I have heard many rumors about BOB, that they are a bunch of bloodthirsty, ruthless Player killers. But I have never met any BOB member personaly. So im sure this isnt entirely true what Ive heard. Could a BOB member please explain what you are all about and what you do?

No this isnt leading to me asking to go into BOB im far too much of a noob for that
is it true that BOB is the most powerful player corp in EVE? and I heard BOB has built a couple Titans and whats ur member count ? are we talking hundreds, thousands *gulps* more?.
Im just curious thats all

BoB is an alliance, not a corp, they work very well together and are able to achieve things in EVE no other group seems able to do as a result. They are the biggest demonstrator of what teamwork can do in this game. They are not the largest alliance however, afaik ASCN holds that title with over 3k members.

I'm not in BoB either btw.

Knightblast · June 2006

is it true that BOB is the most powerful player corp in EVE? and I heard BOB has built a couple Titans and whats ur member count ? are we talking hundreds, thousands *gulps* more?.
I am not in BoB but I do know quite a few BoB members. BoB is an alliance of elite combat pilots. For the most part, they are either very seasoned players (ie, 2-3 year types) or younger players who have a lot of talent for PvP. They are not the biggest alliance by far, but they have the highest concentration of elite combat pilots ... higher, far higher, than any other alliance. And they have enjoyed some tremendous successes as a result of their superior combat talent, planning, teamwork, and disciplined structures.
I think the reason why many dislike BoB is because BoB tends to suck up elite combat pilots from other corps and alliances. I think quite a few people dislike that. Also, some people find BoB arrogant (which they admittedly are), and are put off by that. As another poster said, BoB are not everywhere in space, however. It's easy enough to avoid BoB if you want to, and so the amount of heat they generate on the forums and elsewhere is interesting (and very welcomed by BoB, doubtless).

I had a lot more respect for BoB before they turned on ASCN with hardly any warning in EC-P8R. I am not a member of ASCN either, but to me that's just crass and vile treachery, and BoB, whom I previously admired somewhat, lost a lot of respect in my eyes as a result of that act.

I think the biggest challenge for BoB is maintaining interest for all those capable combat pilots they have ... staving off boredom is a big challenge, I think.

SobaMan · June 2006

I know they managed to get ahold of the only T2 Tin Foil Hats in the game! F-ing SPLOITERS!!

demolishIX · June 2006

BoB arent rutheless PKs,my encounters with them havent being like that,the only reason that BoB are very good in PVP is there abillity to fight as a group not solo.

Rekindle · June 2006

contrary to the "koom by yah" candle waving thats going on here I'm happy to report that there are elements within BoB that will happily gank away. BoB might have some good combat pilots but I can tell you from personal experience that they are not always what they are being cracked up to be in this thread.

I almost spewed coffee on the screen when I read some of these replies.

I also heard they eat their young.

Rod_B · June 2006

Well, considering that I actually am in BoB it might be good if I do some limited explaining here.

BoB are not gm's, we don't have dev home adressed and we don't review their plans for game changes before they implement them. That might be the most important part to get out of the way. Idiotic rumours like that have circulated about other player groups before BoB formed btw, they aren't new to eve but seem to be a product of the high tension that the relatively ruthless game environment generates within Eve Online.

Now, as to waht we actually are.

BoB formed from a few corporations that came together during one of the game's largest and longest player-alliance wars so far. All five corporations that formed the group later known BoB fought at the same side during that war (it lasted about a year), and all of them were well-established corporations with both extended industrial operations as well as highly regarded pvp capabilities. One of the corporations dissolved aftera while (m0o) and one remained out of the formal alliance formed later on (ATUK).

Since then BoB has gradually changted into an alliance that is more sedentary, it now is amde up of 5 corporations again (BNC.e as sort of industrial wing of BNC was formed, and DICE joined recently, made up of mostly ex-ATUK members). BoB is a highly agressive alliance that likes to take a 'do or die' stance towards itself as well as towards other alliances and players. We are in the trade of gathering and using power in any form, be it by industrial or military might.

The combination of a high number of good leaders (our most valuable asset imo), alot of good pvp'ers (both solo as well as in groups actually, altho not all of us are top of the line solo at all no), and of an extremely strong and dedicated industrial/logistic organisation makes for an alliance that indeed is Eve's most prominent and known example of the power of teamwork.

Combine that teamwork with well-set objectives, good planning, and a good dose of playfull arrogance directed outwards and you get alot of attention (which we don't mind too much either since forums are entertainment too).

What we are not is griefing 12 year old isk-buying friends of the gm's that h4x and sploited their way into power. We are far from unbeatable (altho noone has actually succeeded yet, and only few have really tried).

What we also are not is the only powefull player group in Eve Online. Far from it. Objectively seen I;d say that there's 4 to 5 large player alliances in Eve Online that could expect to rival each of the other (D2, ASCN/AXE, LV/-V- and friends and one positions that is open but should be filled soon I'd say).

We just get the most attention because we are the most agressive and the most present.

Our numbers are somwhere around one thousand in characters. In players it's alot less, but our aliance should probably have a higher activity rate then most. The fact that we are still seen as strongest of the blocks is probably due to that activity and the fact that every single of our players is part of our combat fleets when needed, but part of our mining fleet when needed too. We can simply do more with less players due to our high level of organisation and activity.

Of course, I could be lying about all of this, I;m in BoB after all

Gelt · June 2006

Originally posted by Rod_B

Of course, I could be lying about all of this, I;m in BoB after all

Obviously he IS lying, he is in BoB!!!

Seriously though, they are just a very effective Alliance with a lot of good pilots. Fight them or avoid them, you just can't IGNORE them without dying.

panjit · June 2006

I remember fighting BoB in a large fleet battle when I was with NBSI; smack talk was minimal and lag was plentiful but overall it was a good experience, even if I was in a vigil at the time

Copeland · June 2006

I've been in active combat against BoB for what seems like 80% of my EVE career. I've been playing for 2 years.

What makes BoB is their logistic capabilities. We've beaten BoB in fleet ops several times. They definately aren't unbeatable in battle but if you don't have equal logistic capabilities they will always win the war in the long run (and they wont give up).

BoB is also good at propaganda. They will repeat their stupidity (for lack of a better word) over and over again until everyone believes it and even your own side will start to believe.

BoB has also been very lucky. No successful group gets that way without a considerable amount of luck. This leads people to accuse them of coniving with GM's. Theres been some cases where even i think it but i don't really believe it.

BoB will never be defeated. I can say that with little doubt. I've heard masterplan after masterplan from their largest rivals and none of them stand a chance.

BoB has more spies than anyone. They know exactly what you're planning before you ever get a chance to act on it. I've seen it over and over again. This leads to leaders being very secretive and not providing information to their warriors. This plays into point 2 about propaganda. If your leaders aren't giving you much information and the enemy is eventually you start to believe them. It makes your leaders look weak and people start to lose faith. It takes a strong leader to lead a protracted war against the likes of BoB.

BoB's overall approach to warfare and politics is truly the best you'll ever see in any game. I hate BoB but i have sooooo much respect for them.

Rod_B · June 2006

Thanks Copeland.

Like I said, BoB's biggest asset is the neverending leadership-types. Of course, the fact that people in BoB tend to blindly trust nearly all others in theri alliance helps getting things done well and fast. It also bring good leadership potential to the surface where in other alliances it's smothered in political dealings and individuality.

And yeah, we've lost a few battles here and there in the last year or two. I do doubt however that much luck is involved with the ascent of BoB. Remember that the corps in it have mostly been at the top-end of the powerspectrum since early into retail, or at least have a core of players from such positions.

Beatable ? Definately. But our propaganda is often alot of harshness and arrogance covering a large core of truth. We don't lie for our propaganda, we may twist People indeed would need to bring quite something to beat us in the long run. And there is no beating us in the short run.

Copeland · June 2006

Originally posted by Rod_B
Thanks Copeland.Like I said, BoB's biggest asset is the neverending leadership-types. Of course, the fact that people in BoB tend to blindly trust nearly all others in theri alliance helps getting things done well and fast. It also bring good leadership potential to the surface where in other alliances it's smothered in political dealings and individuality.
And yeah, we've lost a few battles here and there in the last year or two. I do doubt however that much luck is involved with the ascent of BoB. Remember that the corps in it have mostly been at the top-end of the powerspectrum since early into retail, or at least have a core of players from such positions.
Beatable ? Definately. But our propaganda is often alot of harshness and arrogance covering a large core of truth. We don't lie for our propaganda, we may twist People indeed would need to bring quite something to beat us in the long run. And there is no beating us in the short run.

When i say BoB has had luck i mean things like this for example. I remember someone in BoB buying a character legit on eve auction. Low and behold that character happens to be in the opposing alliance with full access to pos's. Billions in losses to the enemy with one foul swoop. Pure luck.

BoB definately has good leaders. I can't argue that. They hate me though. I'm pretty vocal in my anti BoB stance in game. It's all about picking sides though not really anything against BoB's players. You can either join the best or fight the best. I prefer to fight the best. It's more challenging.

RollinDutch · June 2006

Originally posted by Rod_B

Thanks Copeland.

Like I said, BoB's biggest asset is the neverending leadership-types. Of course, the fact that people in BoB tend to blindly trust nearly all others in theri alliance helps getting things done well and fast. It also bring good leadership potential to the surface where in other alliances it's smothered in political dealings and individuality.
And yeah, we've lost a few battles here and there in the last year or two. I do doubt however that much luck is involved with the ascent of BoB. Remember that the corps in it have mostly been at the top-end of the powerspectrum since early into retail, or at least have a core of players from such positions.
Beatable ? Definately. But our propaganda is often alot of harshness and arrogance covering a large core of truth. We don't lie for our propaganda, we may twist People indeed would need to bring quite something to beat us in the long run. And there is no beating us in the short run.

You simply cannot beat an entity with the kind of isk-generating capacity that BoB has. Period. A substansial investment in blueprints and PoSes means that an alliance of that type will always be generating more isk then youre destroying. (Not that this is something unique to BoB, D2 and ASCN are in the same situation).

Rod_B · June 2006

Well, destropying the infrastructure (pos's) and taking the outposts would sure put a spanner in teh works.

Of course, only an enemy with nothing to lose could do that, because they wouldn't be able to stop us doing the exact same to them if we wanted.

It's exactly that that's keeping a stable çold-war'-style detente going in Eve atm. If we'd kill ASCN's pos's with our capital fleet, they'd have nothing left to defend and come with their capitals to kill ours. Given enough dedication, numbers or logistics nothing can stop you from killing pos's. If any side chooses to replace them you end up in a pos-spammage war, which isn't fun for either side (see RA).

What it comes down is this: the big alliances don't attack full-out because it's mean mutually ensured loss of infrastructure they spent months on building up.

Small alliances can't really challenge the big ones bcause the big ones can always make mroe then they lose due to Eve's somewhat imbalanced wealth-generation system.

I really don't like this situation tbh, since what it comes down to is that wars between big groups will come down to causing single but massive losses without actually challenging eachother's existence. Border wars and attacks on titans, motherships and other capital ships will probably be the mainstay of things for a while.

Pity, becaus ein retrospect the period of the GNW was the most fun in my Eve play ever tbh. Being under constant pressure in a massively active warzone without much in the way of resources at your disposal. Way better then sitting around seeing wether you make twice as much or trice as much as you really should need.

nibl · June 2006

Originally posted by Gelt

Originally posted by Rod_B

Of course, I could be lying about all of this, I;m in BoB after all

Obviously he IS lying, he is in BoB!!!

Well if you think about it like that, who's to say he's not lying about being in BoB? ^^

Jaggiz0r · June 2006

Band of Brothers is well known for winning; and winning with lesser numbers...

how?

They have Battleships fitted to the teeth with T2 modules; They have Intel like no other alliance and have the organization of an elite group of soldiers with a Leader who has an IQ of 200 and an ability to forsee battles with that of a God.

Bob does not have a titan YET but it is being built, ASCN and D2 are also building titans, and its basically like the cold war ' an arms race ' get the biggest ships asap.

Bob wont fall, not for a long while, you'd need the numbers of 200+ to beat bobs fleet, and even then 1/3 will drop out due to node placements by activity in that system.

SobaMan · June 2006

Originally posted by Jaggiz0r
Band of Brothers is well known for winning; and winning with lesser numbers...

how?

They have Battleships fitted to the teeth with T2 modules; They have Intel like no other alliance and have the organization of an elite group of soldiers with a Leader who has an IQ of 200 and an ability to forsee battles with that of a God.

In fact, he is God! God and Mods, that's BoB! In fact, the whole [m0o] seperation can be explained if you just look up the Holy Wars in the Bible!

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