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mythic failed to realize
flea1
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Mythic probly didnt realize what most of the old player base was. When Daoc released around that time anyways trammy ea hit uo. Guess what all the hard core pvp fans had no game and daoc was claiming fun pvp as rvr. So many of us jaded ea hater players of uo came to mythic. Wed leave and come back but daoc was always fun to go pvp in. When shadowbane tanked many came back to daoc again old uo players. See what im getting at your player base was old origin uo players. You just joined in our minds satan of mmos who killed our beloved uo.
Now for those who never played / heard of old uo it probly didnt matter but to your older loyal fan base its a major blow. Im on a wait and see approach myself. Yes i despise ea but maybe gw can force the issues for war. Daoc well up in the air and it kills me to see a solid fun pvp game probly gonna die.
Mark, Sanya and the rest didnt you realize this??? Yes more money but the loyal blood who stayed true to mythic is feeling poisoned.
Now for those who never played / heard of old uo it probly didnt matter but to your older loyal fan base its a major blow. Im on a wait and see approach myself. Yes i despise ea but maybe gw can force the issues for war. Daoc well up in the air and it kills me to see a solid fun pvp game probly gonna die.
Mark, Sanya and the rest didnt you realize this??? Yes more money but the loyal blood who stayed true to mythic is feeling poisoned.
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But for the right amount of money I'd be willing to change my name to "super idiot." Someone send me a check for 3million dollars and I'll go over to records and deeds right now and legally change my name to that.
I'm sure it was kinda the same thing with Mythic except they are heavy contracted and got a lot more money.
It would be more like saying Mon-tues-wed I must go by the name "super idoit" the rest of the time I can use my old name.
Heck look at everyone here....
If someone from EA suddenly called you up and said "I've seen you on the forums bashing are deal with mythic, you seem to carry a bit for repect amoung the other forum members. We'll pay you $5k if you start promoting us instead for the next 6months."
How many of you would not change your tune? If the check was infront of you... and all you had to do was sign it and say "I like EA" and you got payed, how many people wouldn't say that.
Lying? It doesn't matter how you feel. The contract didn't say you had to "really" like EA. Just that you say you do. They are paying for your public apprerence not your soul.
-iCeh
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EA Games has a lot more fans than it does enemies. While I do not expect a ton of people from DAoC to move over to WAR, I expect an entirely new generation of MMO'ers to go to WAR. Unfortunately.
I think that, from a players perspective, it's an awful decision. From a standpoint of both money and publicity, it's great for the game. Will have better technicalities, however I wonder how well EA can produce a from-scratch MMO engine. And it is entirely about money, not UO. The UO people who went to DAoC because EA acquired UO (I guess this is what happened, according to your original post, as I understand it) are going to leave because they hate EA. DAoC sold out because of money, as did UO (I assume). It's all about money in this industry.
What I'm curious to see is how long it takes EA Games to go "eek that's a lot of work, tank that project." But I guess I'm playing devils advocate here.
Oh, an additioanlly, you have to realize how many people Mythic pissed off with this announcement. The entire DAoC playerbase plus, I'm willing to wager, about an equal amount of ex-DAoC players. So a total sum of probably 50,000 people (not including European servers, I dunno what their stats are). The amount of people that will come in because they're like "Oo, EA title, I'll buy it" is so much larger. Case in point: WoW--only reason it did so well initially is because it's a Blizzard title. Every company has its fanboi's, and I'd bet that EA's fanboi collection is larger than DAoC's playerbase X 2.
How the hell can u allready call WAR a bad game, just because they have been taken over by EA. Yes, i know, EA has a very bad standing with MMOs, but we haven't even seen any new content since the take-over...
People relax please...
Personally I have faith in the EA staff to create a wonderful game. They do it all the time. I do not have faith in the staff to keep up a game, however. EA staff is notoriously overworked and, as a game designer myself, you cannot keep up a game under those conditions. At least not to a suitable level.
I'm still going to follow WAR, but I'm going to be keeping a skeptical eye on it. To be fair, however, the current Mythic staff seems like it's going to have a lot to do with WAR. It would be stupid to take off the entire team--or even portions of it--just because ownership has changed hands. But we'll see.
Mythic is not aiming for old UO players. There were... how many? 200,000 at most? And how many of them were playing UO for the PvP versus the fact it was the only kid on the MMO block for a long time. Mythic is not even looking to make a game for DAOC players, who may or may not be old UO PKs. Mythic and EA have their sights set on the 5,000,000+ players who are getting sick of WoW as we speak. And, to 4,990,000 of those players, "Trammel" is a baseball player.
Like you, I'm an ex-UO player. Like you, I died a little death when I read the EA announcement. And like you, I am a tiny, insignificant piece of the target audience for WAR.
I think a lot of EA's problems stem from how they treat their employees. It's tough to retain a knowledgeable staff when you're running a sweatshop. EA is an ok place to work if you're fresh out of college; but once you've got it on your resume and can leave without having to pay back that $5-10k sign on bonus there's no way most people would want to stick around in that kind of environment with that kind of pay.
I have no idea who specifically was in charge of the decisions made at OSI but I'd bet EA management didn't have nearly as much of a hand in it as new and unqualified staff did. Staff that was elevated to positions they should not have had due to EA’s employee turnover rate. The same kind of staff who, if they worked in another branch of EA, would play it safe and release the same title over and over. But who knows, I have heard stories of EA bigwigs bypassing the downward chain of command to micromanage a game.
But on the bright side, maybe Warhammer will be completed, or close to completion, when they start hemorrhaging employees. Or maybe Games Workshop has sufficient control over the project that they can steer it away from disaster, both now and years down the road.
Joining EA will probably be great for Mark Jacobs (he's likely making a truckload of money while divesting himself of risk), but it’ll certainly be bad for the long time MMO players out there. You can be sure that Warhammer will now try to cater to the least sophisticated gamers, probably at our expense; because that’s what’s needed to sell to the broadest market possible.
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I really do not mean to hi jack this discussion about WAR , Mythic and EA -- but are you saying that the majority of the Old player base of DAOC were the gankers from UO's past? Really now, the Trammel vs Fel debate is what, 8 years old now?
Hard core PvP fans as you put it don't gank miners and scam people out of possesions by luring them out of the guard zones. Hardcore Gankers do. Hard core PvP fans enjoy fighting other hardcore PvP fans. It was the gankers who cried (and continue to) cry foul over the apparant demise of their treasured game (even though subs went up post UO:R).
The reality is there were still a lot of hard core PvP fans post Trammel era UO which gradually dwindled away, not instantly like everyone remembers.
I post this to demonstrate people can put a 'spin' on just about anyhting but I encourage ppl to get their facts straight.
Here's my spin: I think the EA haters are just jealous of the SOE haters because the SOE haters came first and are on top. Its very, very silly to hate EA for making trammel 8 years ago and compare to a present day situation which makes a ton of sense for both Mythic and EA (considering the Sigil/SOE arrangement, the power house of Blizzard and the other 10 billlion 'new and innovative titles coming out).
You know I hate to say it but Mythic is still Mythic right now.
I know shocker eh? In fact Mythic will not become "EA Mythic" until the second quarter 2007 when the game is due to be released. Right now EA has NO SAY WHATSOEVER in WAR's development. They only want to help produce it and reap the benefits. So what if it tanks in a few years (I seriously doubt it) Im sure Ill get some great gameplay out of it.
According to Mark, his company has been on the table to be sold for years now. The thing is his deal incorporates that he doesnt lose control and none of his employees get touched. So his offer has been refused and balked at time and time again.
Now in comes a possible WoW killer. Moreso than anything EA would love to slap a competitor like Vivendi (who produced WoW mind you) across the face, very hard, with a steel guantlet and laugh at them. So they buy into the company, Mark keeps control and just changes his name some and gets to ride the money train. Its a win-win situation. The history of EA of course lends to a possible issue in the future but if Mark has played his cards correctly then we just might have the makings of a great man here. A man of extreme circumstance.
Only time will tell and I think the whiners have sent a message loud and clear to EA further strengthening Marks position. "EA.. if you screw up. YOU dont get our money! Capice? You bet on the house and screw around you will LOSE EVERYTHING!"
That said ya i think the old uo players have rights.
Also ea may not be able to touch the game in developement but ive yet to see once again any posts links anything. Saying GW still has control after release.
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Hindsight is 20/20 except when people remember back to MMORPG games. Everyone always talks about the glory days of UO pre -Trammel. Although I think the **way** EA did it was a mistake, its only the vocal minority (very vocal) who think that changing the game from a forced PvP ruleset to a non consentual/consentual ruleset was not the way to go. Everyone knows some people want to pvp and some people don't - EA gave them the choice and will go down in history for it.
I do completely agree with you on the cancellation of UO2 x2 - big mistake. When they cancled UO2 the first time they backed it up by saying 'we;re gonna make a UO 3d client instead". LMAO anyone remember UO: Third Dawn? glah
Anyway, to the OP you can call me a care bear or whatever you wanna call me but you couldn't be a trade skill character in UO and expect to defend your self against the insta cast or the hallys or the DP vanq spears. Yes they did totalyl screw up the game after a few years but introducing a consentual system for PvP was not the root cause.
Anyway, I truly fail to see how EA making Trammel 8 years ago has anything to do with mythic and WAR.