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Monthly fees...why do you complain?
logangregor
Member Posts: 1,524
15 dollars... 20 dollars IS NOT ALOT OF MONEY IN A MONTH for the ammount of entertainment a good mmo provides. Why do you complain? You own expensive computers...most of you live in the US but you complain about 12 15 20 bucks a month.
I hear the comment so often... " Well IF I DIDNT HAVE TO PAY 15 a month....I would play the game"
SHUT UP ALREADY, your spoiled and cheap.
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People usually say that about games that are alright, but definately not worthy of having money spent on them.
SWG for example.
a 'good' MMO. thats usually the problem.
try posting something without the hostile attitude for once, might be a nice change.
I could spend those fifteen dollars on alcohol and then come here in a drunken stupor and post inane garbage!
Actually, when I look at it that way, I guess I really should be spending that money on MMORPG's instead.
I would (and do) pay $15 monthly for a GOOD MMO. I also only budget two MMOs subscriuptions- so the statement holds true. If the MMO is not among my favorite 2 at the time, and it was free, I would play it. An exellent example is Planetside. I would never pay to play that game, but as the "resevers" is free, I play it once and a while.
And to call people who can not afford to pay out money cheap is an insult, especially since, unlke you, not everyone gets an allowance from their parents.
-W.
... What does living in the US have to do with anything?
The games bill in USD and most of you live there. People who live in countries with a poor exchange rate are paying ( much ) more and yet they don't seem to be the ones complaining.
I don't think he meant any slight by saying that.....other then stop whinning :P
Money's money.
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You want to sell me something, you have to provide good value.
I can afford to throw hundreds of pounds a month onto the fire if I want to.
But I don't. I like to get value for my money. £10 a month isn't much, but it could be something else.
MMO's are the most expensive form of gaming on the market today. They cost much more than previous types of game. They are a premium product.
If you charge premium prices you must expect to give a premium service or people will be pissed off.
When you buy a game for 50$
WHAT THE F--- ARE YOU PAYING FOR IF YOURE NOT PAYING FOR THE PRICE OF PLAYING IT?
I support monthly fees OR a single cost. No game should have both.
If you live in US 15$ is really not that much money
However if you live in Turkey , Romania , Serbia , India ... etc etc etc You will think twice before getting into monthly fee ...
Also lately one of my Guildmates quited WOW because of fee. He has kids and the expenses were just to much for him.
Anyway It is not much , but it is something - and it adds up trough the year.Playing WOW costs 180 $ a year.
Playing GW costs nothing ....
I guess it is financial decision you have to make
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
Yeah hostile attitude....your right. Im tired of hearing people complain about it.
It irritates the shit out of me
And living in the US just shows your prolly doing ok financially. Dont tell me your not-- I have no doubt I make less money than 99.9 percent of you but I can still afford a high speed cable connection, my game of choice and the monthly fee.
You paid for the game---but your not paying for the hosting. Get over it--even if I wasnt grown with family/kids I could still afford it
I dont mind paying $15 or even $20 a month for a game and would continue to pay it for the 'right' game. I've seen far too many comment on this forum and others like it, that we as players ask to much from a single game.
If i'm paying the initial cost of the game and a monthly fee i want:
State of the art graphics engine(if i want to play a game that looks like it was on a console 10 years ago i'll go on ebay and pick up a super nintendo)
No point and click interface,(p&c gives you less fine control, so imo simplified combat)
Solo and group gameplay
Comprehensive crafting and vending system
Servers that can handle the amount of players that play on it(no lagfests)
Lastly a game with Gm's and Dev's that are actually gamers and can see and realise what a gaming experience should be.
Those are some of the things i want from my game. Not that is has to have all those things, but most of them at least. I stuck with Swg thoughout all the bs with multiple accounts for better than 2 years and that was far from the perfect game. So its not always the money, its the quality of what we are paying for.
I don't complain about monthly fees since I don't pay them.
Usually, if I want to try out a new MMO I'll buy the box and a time card. That gives me about 3 months to check out the game and see all that there is to see.... Most of the time anyway. Of course, I usually end up buying games that have been out long enough to go down in price so that I don't spend more than $50 on box + card. This is the main reason that I haven't tried WoW yet since I'd end up paying about $70 for the box and a 2 month time card. And then I'd have to repeat the process to try out the expansion, ugh.
I generally only stay on an MMO for about 3 months, so this system makes sense. Guild Wars is the exception to this rule, but it doesn't have a monthly fee. I'm usually able to burn through to the level cap and end game content in that space of time and there's not normally anything worth doing once you've gotten that far. It almost seems as though these games are made with the 3 month "churn" in mind to get people to pay $80+ for a game that is only worth $20. When the box for WoW drops to $30 or below, I'll probably check it out. The same goes for every other MMO that gets released.
In the meantime, there are games that only charge the price of the box, games that only charge monthly fees, and games that are completely free to occupy my time. It's not so much the monthly fee, it's the general price of admission.
Asheron's Call 2 spent what...three years online or something?
Let's say you played a game that lasted three years, with two expansions:
$40 box price
$20 expansion 1
$20 expansion 2
$540 three years sub
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$620 dollars for something that lasts 3 years.
The price of a non-mmo that has two expansions:
$40 box price
$20 expansion 1
$20 expansion 2
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$80 dollars for something that lasts far longer than 3 years
So I'm not sure if its a matter of being "spoiled and cheap." MMOs are just not a good value because you pay more, for software you cannot even utilize without the provider's discression, that will eventually become unplayable, worthless junk.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
With 15 dollars, you also can help some poor people in developing countries.
In fact, some online games are not wothy to spend money on.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Now-a-days the average is $15 a month. So advertising budgets are bigger, graphics departments are massively larger, servers still costs less propertionally per player to buy/rent/maintain, less and less content is available between expansions to push expansion sales, and the games are almost all clones of earlier games. They just are not worth the cost to many, it is disproportionate to the monthly fees.
Basically we are getting prettier less creative games with less content, but are being charged more. This is often called the "business degree mentality" in which massive parts of a budget are wasted on making a pretty box rather than a good product. That pretty box (and graphics) also has a negativew effect on content release speed because of the time and money wasted on new graphics. Servers are as laggy as ever and patches are so poorly tested that players of almost every game expect downtime or days of unplayable periods after a major update (even though they are paying the same monthly fee).
So...we are payiong 50% more (~40% more inflation) and are getting less. Do you really have to ask why people are unhappy?
Asheron's Call 2 spent what...three years online or something?
Let's say you played a game that lasted three years, with two expansions:
$40 box price
$20 expansion 1
$20 expansion 2
$540 three years sub
__________________________
$620 dollars for something that lasts 3 years.
The price of a non-mmo that has two expansions:
$40 box price
$20 expansion 1
$20 expansion 2
__________________
$80 dollars for something that lasts far longer than 3 years
So I'm not sure if its a matter of being "spoiled and cheap." MMOs are just not a good value because you pay more, for software you cannot even utilize without the provider's discression, that will eventually become unplayable, worthless junk.
Just out of curiousity, what non mmo game did you play for 3 years?
Neverwinter Nights, Unreal Tournament 2004, Final Fantasy 8, Alice, N One Lives Forever, Black and White 1
I am sure there are more, but those are what are what is currently installed on this specific computer.
I am sure I got at least that out of diablo 2, probably starcraft, and also age of empires. actually if I still had working copies of those games I'd likely still play them occasionly... hum, wonder if I do, hidden away someplace...
edit: forgot neverwinter, lots of time there.
ok each of you that responded mention more than one game. And i'm sure your playing them at or around the same time. So going with that idea you have to factor in the cost of 3 or 4 games in the cost comparison of free to mmo. Also to a certain extent dependant on other gamers to make mods to expand the afformentioned games.
Btw ages of empires is a great game, and i've been searching for my copy since it was mentioned it.
Not much of a diablo fan but now that you mention it i remember how much people liked it.
Arcanum was another game with alot of mods that i enjoyed for a very long time.
But still my 2 years at Swg was a time i spent no other gaming money except for that game. I think if i was playing games like i was pre Swg i would have spent around the same amount of money.
Diablo, Diablo 2, Civilisation, Doom, Duke Nukem, Rogue Spear, Ghost Recon, Operation Flashpoint, Hidden and Dangerous 2, Dune 2, Command and Conquer, Pirates, Defender, Pong.....
The list is long.
No MMO has ever matched any of those for hours spent gaming. I've played free games like minesweeper and solitaire and tetris for longer than any MMO too also. 1,500 hours is my record in an MMO.