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Roll back

JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

In a thread over there it seems as if Serpico announced in IRC that they decided to do a rollback because of the exploited weapons. Put on a fresh batch of popcorn and grab a cold six pack of your favorite beverage.

Seriously I have to applaud them for doing the right thing, although this will piss off a number of people it was the correct response and took some balls. Now let's see if they actually follow through or was this just more talk.

I miss DAoC

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  • nexus42nexus42 Member Posts: 288
    Awesome.

    ...Pika

  • DairodDairod Member Posts: 60

    yeah ,awesome ....mainly because of this:

    http://darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=66028

    "Posté par EN

    Greetings,

    After a thorough study of the situation, we decided not to perform a rollback. We do not want to penalize players who did not take advantage of the exploit.

    The question of the exploiters themselves will be addressed soon for the betterment of all players.

    We apologize for any inconvenience you may have encountered.

    Best regards,
    The NP3 Team"

    Maybe I have misunderstood the real meaning of "not to perform a rollback"  or maybe Serpico has more recent news or maybe they have changed their mind in 6 hours or maybe no one on AD/NP3 has a clue of what to do.

  • FurrbawlFurrbawl Member Posts: 95
    Yet another example of complete incompetence.

    I still picture a bunch of college drop outs, sitting around in someones basement, smoking a bong...


    Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens.
    J. R. R. Tolkien

  • virtuellavirtuella Member UncommonPosts: 699


    Originally posted by Furrbawl
    Yet another example of complete incompetence.

    I still picture a bunch of college drop outs, sitting around in someones basement, smoking a bong...




    Here is one of Alchemic Dream.
    That should give you a hint.
    Alchemic Dream at E3 2006

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  • TithrielleTithrielle Member Posts: 547


    Originally posted by Dairod


    The question of the exploiters themselves will be addressed soon for the betterment of all players.



    The betterment of all players? Thank god for that.
  • blacksacblacksac Member Posts: 1,045

    Straight from NP3


    Citation:



    Posté par EN


    Dear People of Ganareth,

    The last days have been quite agitated , due to the problems linked to the craft bug exploit. We are aware of the problems that this exploit has caused and according to the massive reaction of the community about this, we?ve decided to revise our decision.

    Therefore we're going to perform a « server rollback », to begin with, going back to Friday 23rd of June status, before the patch. As we are aware that it may penalise the players which haven?t use this exploit too, we decide to compensate this loss by giving a bag and the access to the map of one neutral kingdom (Ysatis for the Lights, Agnar for the Darks) for all players.

    Moreover players who were connected during this period will receive during the week an additional bag containing a surprise - a unique item - to compensate the time lost in the game.

    Those among crafters who have bought some recipes that are above your current level and added them in your recipe book after Friday?s patch, you will find these recipes back in your bag until you reach the appropriate level.

    On a final note, we would like to add that using such exploits is considered as cheating. An ingame charter will be published quickly to set the same rules for all with some sanctions for those that do not respect them ? same goes for any other exploits or breach of rules.

    Best regards,

    The Dark and Light team.
  • BadTBadT Member Posts: 84


    Originally posted by Furrbawl
    Yet another example of complete incompetence.

    I still picture a bunch of college drop outs, sitting around in someones basement, smoking a bong...


    Exactly.
  • WallyWally Member UncommonPosts: 22
    Comedy gold
  • blacksacblacksac Member Posts: 1,045
    Roll back is now underway
  • DairodDairod Member Posts: 60

    There's a LOT of bugs in the near future(even the biggest fanboi could not think otherwise).

    Big,bad,gamebreaking bugs.....is this gonna be the solution?

    Well,looks like it due to:

    a) They dont know what QA team means

    b) They cant afford loosing players.

    c) They are afraid of a server-fix(one where the only the ones that used that weapons gets to the FXP of 23th) because it could introduce more bugs and people will scream angry:"Lie!! I didnt cheat"

    So in a proffesional mmorpg(those made by proffesionals) the solution is obvious: BAN.The SOE EULA(the one that aplies on DNL) states it clearly.

    In DnL caused by a),b),c) the solution is a rollback.Well,good luck np3 boys...youre gonna have a lot of rollbacks real soon( I dont wanna know what is gonna happen when the 3rd fighting path is implemented - if it is ever implemented).

  • MikeMongerMikeMonger Member Posts: 196

    And this is why Dark and Light will, ultimately, fail.

    MMORPG's have rollbacks from time to time.  It happens.  And normally when a rollback is performed, it's well deserved, and necessary to preserve the game.

    But the ONLY reason why THIS rollback is happening is because they didn't test their patch, and then they decided to have ZERO monitoring of their product over the weekend.

    This is unacceptable.

    I mean, bugs happen.  God knows, I've created some doozies in my day.  But this particular bug was so easy to find, that it would have been spotted almost instantly, if only they actually TESTED their work before sticking it in live.

  • FurrbawlFurrbawl Member Posts: 95


    Originally posted by virtuellaHere is one of Alchemic Dream.
    That should give you a hint.
    Alchemic Dream at E3 2006


    Hahahaha. That's priceless!

    Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens.
    J. R. R. Tolkien

  • ZippyZippy Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,412


    Originally posted by Jackdog

    In a thread over there it seems as if Serpico announced in IRC that they decided to do a rollback because of the exploited weapons. Put on a fresh batch of popcorn and grab a cold six pack of your favorite beverage.
    Seriously I have to applaud them for doing the right thing, although this will piss off a number of people it was the correct response and took some balls. Now let's see if they actually follow through or was this just more talk.


    While its generally much more fun to bash Farlan as they usually deserve it and more I have to applaud them for taking the courage to roll back.  But then again I have to ask why are they doing it.  They had otehr options such as identifying the cheaters and rolling them back, deleting their characters,  banning them or leaving it as it is.  I don't think they were capable of any of those choices.  Most games would have imediately shut down the server and got rid of the exploit.  Their problem was letting it go on so long.  Their solution of the rollback is by the easist, simplest solution, and the one that requirres the least amount of work on the part of Farlan which is probably why they chose it.

    Personally I think they should have banned or delted characters from every cheaters account which would have probably resulted in them banning over half the active player base.  But it would have sent a strong message.  Whats funny is all the cheaters making threads thats its not an exploit.  It really gives one an ideaof the immaturity of the players left playing DnL.

    Regardless they should be applauded for the rollback.  While for most companies it would not be an adequate response to the problem for Farlan it is much more than I would of expected of them.

  • GalaxyGalaxy Member Posts: 120

    Zippy-

    I have to differ with you on this..

    I believe the reason this "exploit" was such an issue was because it was A) nearly universal B) crafted items & C) allowed to go on for days with little/no dev intervention.

    Most bugs that result in exploits are by a small number of players.  The situation is almost always by beta players that found a "glitch" that they didn't report for the express purpose of gaining an advantage on retail release.

    This exploit was based on a stock crafted weapon build.  There is no sane reason for that type of bug to make it live and certainly no sane reason for it to remain live for 3 days.  This simply didn't fit the type of exploit we see in professionally programmed games.

    As for giving proprs to farlan, I can't go their either.  The bug should never have made it live, thus their solution is moot.  I don't believe you give praise for "doing the right thing" when a company made a series of concious choices that created the issue in the first place.

  • ZippyZippy Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,412


    Originally posted by Galaxy

    Zippy-
    I have to differ with you on this..
    I believe the reason this "exploit" was such an issue was because it was A) nearly universal B) crafted items & C) allowed to go on for days with little/no dev intervention.
    Most bugs that result in exploits are by a small number of players.  The situation is almost always by beta players that found a "glitch" that they didn't report for the express purpose of gaining an advantage on retail release.
    This exploit was based on a stock crafted weapon build.  There is no sane reason for that type of bug to make it live and certainly no sane reason for it to remain live for 3 days.  This simply didn't fit the type of exploit we see in professionally programmed games.
    As for giving proprs to farlan, I can't go their either.  The bug should never have made it live, thus their solution is moot.  I don't believe you give praise for "doing the right thing" when a company made a series of concious choices that created the issue in the first place.


    My props to Farlan is very limited.  In comparison to a real game compnay there would be no props just disgust.  But in comparison to my expectations for Farlan then they get props.  Attempting to do something is out of character for them especially something that will tick off the immature children that were xploiting which in essence is almost their entire fanbase.  Having the courage to try to fix something (that like you said sure never have been introducded into the game) is a small improvement for them.  Besides its pretty rare I ever get the oppurtunity to say something positive about Farlan so I am taking the oppurtunity to do so.  Hopefully my next oppurtunity to congratulate Farlan will be when they have enough sense to announce they are closing down the game.
  • AftonAfton Member Posts: 13

    They didnt even fix the weapon bug so the roll back was pointless. They will have to do it again in a few days because the exploiters will just keep doing it.

  • JelloB2000JelloB2000 Member CommonPosts: 1,848


    Originally posted by Afton
    They didnt even fix the weapon bug so the roll back was pointless. They will have to do it again in a few days because the exploiters will just keep doing it.

    To clarify: the "exploiters" are just making weapons just like any other weapon, which means its the weapons database that is messed up (or the devs dont know about decimals).

    There is a patch tommorow, my bet i that all the new gamebreaking bugg will be: flying transportation flying uppside down & backwards along with crafted weapons damaging the owner instead of the enemy when in battle. Impossible? well judging by Farlans track record...

  • indiramournindiramourn Member UncommonPosts: 884



    Originally posted by Zippy 

    But it would have sent a strong message. 


    The only strong message that Farlan has ever sent is "We are morons. We are lousy developers. Our programmers are clueless and inept. We listen to voices we hear in our heads and do what they say."


  • PeaCeePeaCee Member Posts: 67
    IT seems the bugged weapon crafting is still not fixed lol, fanboys are running rampant
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    I just can't believe the bug hasn't been fixed yet.. I can't believe it.


    I am speechless.


    Very bad job developers. Very, very bad job.

    You made us waste our last 5 days and for what? For what?


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    Yeah i was atleast hoping it would have rolled me back to right before
    i hit lvl 20, so i can go a different class like i wanted lol. No such
    luck. /shrug Ill still give this game a chance, but trust you me, it is
    wearing thin on every fanman and boys alike. Cant say much else, its
    getting harder and harder to defend this game anymore....dammit



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