Originally posted by JMoney95 Originally posted by Kyoruto Originally posted by JMoney95
Yeah I mean EA released those huge failures like Need For Speed series, The Sims, all those sports games, Battlefield 1942 / Battlefield2.
Oh wait, all those are huge successes.
I really really can't beleave you actually said Battlefield2. You do realizie that most of the people that bought BF2 can't play it becuase of the patches? The fact that they changed the system requirements from launch. I would agree with how good 1942 was. But EA really dropped the ball in making people pay 50 dollars for a game they can't even play.
Mine and my roommates comps run flawless with it after every patch, and apparently so do the people I've been playing online.
Seems like user error.
How could running a simple patch program be user error? All you do is double click and it installs automatically. Then again I don't have the best computer either. I don't have the money to buy upgrade after upgrade.
*Specs* 2.4GHz P4 processor 6200 Nvidea Geforce 120GB harddrive 1024mbz memory Monitor X2Gen MG19VT with a 75hz refresh rate.
The new patches forces you to run at 85 hz for who knows what reason. Which patches shouldn't go screwing with your options.But thats just bad bussiness. Still changing the specs after launch is a bit rediculous. Oh sure I can go and manually open a file and make it run off 75hz, but if a friend of mine with a slightly better computer can't run it; I sure as hell know I can't.
Siehst du mich Erkennst du mich Ganz tief in meinem Herz ist noch ein Platz f?r dich Ich suche dich Ich sehne mich nach dem was ich geliebt hab doch ich find es nicht
How about their awesome latest patch, where Clans can't have proper Clan matches because if they password their server the unlocked weapons are not available. How about how fun it is for the Commander to be able to drop vehicles on Snipers heads, or on Helicopters that are about to take off... the game is just stupid, and that's what worries me about EA owning WAR.
I have little doubt that the current ideas for WAR will change from now up until it's release, but what i have serious concerns for is the patches after it's released. EA is known for having shitty patches (like the latest BF2 patch), they change content all the time and most often it's for the worse. My biggest worry is that once EA has gotten their moneys worth out of this game, they'll drop it. I can't see it lasting as long as most MMO's last, especially if the numbers start to drop after some time, as people are bound to try different games at some point.
Well droping a vechical on a snipers head doesn't seem like a bad thing. (Don't take this as me being an ass. I'm just looking at it in a different way) Say you are the comander (And you don't know where the sniper is or anything like that on the battlefield) You want a vechical and order a drop. It just covenetenly lands on an enimy sniper thusly killing him. You didn't know, but it still works out for you in the long run. I'm not saying things like that happen in real war, but I don't doubt that an enimy hasn't been killed by something similur.
Siehst du mich Erkennst du mich Ganz tief in meinem Herz ist noch ein Platz f?r dich Ich suche dich Ich sehne mich nach dem was ich geliebt hab doch ich find es nicht
lol these are all the same people that post and complain how bad mythic has sucked for years and years. It just another thing for the average MMO fan to complain about. Go look at all the MMO boards out there, try and find a board were their isn't people complaining about the game company that makes the game.
The funny part is they'll complain and complain and bitch and moan, but they'll have their copy of WAR first day released complaining about it's launch.
Originally posted by neverhoody omg you damn idiots...
EA will do nothing more than providing "Mythic" with money...
Most of the people who post things along the lines of "omg you damn idiots" have never been involved in a company merger. A lot of people over react over news like this BUT EA has a very very very bad record with MMORPGs.
People are worried. EA doesn't respect gamers, and if they do they have a funny way of showing it.
HA yeah right, EA are just going to give Mythic all the cash they ask for whenever they ask for it in big bags with "swag" and "$" on the side.
I've heard the words "company A will have nothing to do with company B" so many times now that I can't help but laugh when someone thinks the world is that simple.
HEY who knows, maybe it will be fine. I'm sure i'll be playing WAR either way, I'd prefer EA over SoE and small MMO devs just can't make it on their own anymore.
Originally posted by naldric Originally posted by Distortion0 I wish Namco could of bought them out instead. They always had innovative sounds Wakawakawaka If Namco bought Mythic, WAR would be cancelled in favor of a MMO of large breasted girls playing beach volley...
You mean this isnt a MMO of large breasted elven women playing beach volleyball
Originally posted by WoodenDummy Originally posted by neverhoody omg you damn idiots...
EA will do nothing more than providing "Mythic" with money...
Most of the people who post things along the lines of "omg you damn idiots" have never been involved in a company merger. A lot of people over react over news like this BUT EA has a very very very bad record with MMORPGs.
People are worried. EA doesn't respect gamers, and if they do they have a funny way of showing it.
HA yeah right, EA are just going to give Mythic all the cash they ask for whenever they ask for it in big bags with "swag" and "$" on the side.
I've heard the words "company A will have nothing to do with company B" so many times now that I can't help but laugh when someone thinks the world is that simple.
HEY who knows, maybe it will be fine. I'm sure i'll be playing WAR either way, I'd prefer EA over SoE and small MMO devs just can't make it on their own anymore.
The only post that makes sense. I love how people think EA is just going to hand over a bag of money without a say in the product. Must be alot of kids that live at home here.
The only post that makes sense. I love how people think EA is just going to hand over a bag of money without a say in the product. Must be alot of kids that live at home here.
Happens all the time. It's called an investment. Whatever the specifcs of the buyout agreement, so long as Mythic is providing EA a return on their investment, there's no reason for them to get involved.
The interesting thing will be seeing if EA/Mythic are willing to accept the game as a financial success if it doesn't pull in WoW-like numbers. Will 250-500k subs be considered acceptable in light of WoW's millions of subs, even though it is profitable at that range?
Originally posted by Coldmeat Originally posted by Shaikura The only post that makes sense. I love how people think EA is just going to hand over a bag of money without a say in the product. Must be alot of kids that live at home here.
Happens all the time. It's called an investment. Whatever the specifcs of the buyout agreement, so long as Mythic is providing EA a return on their investment, there's no reason for them to get involved.
The interesting thing will be seeing if EA/Mythic are willing to accept the game as a financial success if it doesn't pull in WoW-like numbers. Will 250-500k subs be considered acceptable in light of WoW's millions of subs, even though it is profitable at that range?
You make a point and then dismiss it in the same post. There are a good many reasons why EA wouldn't give out money without a say in how it is spent.
To be fair they shouldn't be expected to hand out cash without a say in how it is spent, the problem is that EA don't always come across as having the gamers interest at heart.
Getting an influx of cash be it from another business, or an individual, doesn't necessarily mean they have any say in things. Look at the guys behind the Phantom console. They've raised millions in venture capital, and clearly there's no one running the show there, and they sure as hell haven't produced a console yet. You can purchase stock in a company all you want, but I wouldn't expect them to drop by the house and ask how you feel about the direction the company is taking.
If Mythic were some unkown dev team with no games under their belt, I'd agree with you. EA would have a pretty tight reign on their cash. However, Mythic's proven they can get the job done, as such, I figure it would be in EA's best interest to take a hands off approach, and just let the folks at Mythic do their thing, so long as their meeting their milestones, and so on.
EA's buyout of Mythic is pretty straightforward. As Blizzard has proven, there's still gold left in them thar hills, and EA want's a peice of the pie as it were. Mythic has a proven track record, and a successful game out, which makes them a smarter investment than some unknown indie dev team. Their upcoming title stands to do well, so long as Mythic doesn't bollocks it up.
Mythic needs the money to finish the project, and with EA handling the marketing, distro, and in all likelyhood the CS and servers, that gives Mythic more resources to focus on making the game, rather than worrying about all the things EA will now be taking care of. At this point, the only thing EA can screw up is the marketing campaign, and of course the customer service, or lack thereof.
As for EA, or Mythic, or any developer having the interest of gamers in mind? Of course they don't. They have their interests in mind, namely making a profit on their product. Which means appealing to the broadest market possible. So yeah, I imagine there will be many lessons taken from WoW in WAR, just as has been done in EQ2, and DAoC. This would happen with or without EA's involvement, but I don't expect people to make the distinction.
The days of the niche MMO are rapidly fading thanks to the success of games like WoW. Sure, you might get some indie game that pulls a Blair Witch Project, and makes a fortune, but when MMOs are costing millions to produce these days, without major financial backing, an indie team isn't going to be able get a game out the door, and no publisher in their right mind is going to back something that in all likelyhood will lose them alot of money.
The point is not so much do companies hand over money and let people get on with things but more do EA hand over money and let people get on with things.
I'm not bothered about EA making a profit from WAR, I'm bothered that they will feel the only way they can make money from it is if they stick their noses in. EA don't have a good past record with MMOs..
WAR is a project that's already a long way into production, and by all accounts they have an exremly solid base and know pretty much exactly what they're doing. As far as a games in production go i'd say WAR is as close as a game proverbially can get to 'set in stone'. There will be no, or very few (and slight) changes done.
WAR in other words is looking very solid. And as such it should enjoy a healthy financial backup.
The question is the future of Mythic, or rather, their future projects, since they're no longer independant. They will have to convince EA that their next project is worth funding, or the next and so on. Or there may be demands to make sequels of previous projects (seeing as this is EA we're talking about that's a pretty good assumption)... A sequel done for the sake of making a sequel and not because of a great game idea will probably sell well, but usually not live up to the expectations. It's a slow death, one that's been repeated several times (not just by EA)...
For as long as the cashcow provides it will be milked, after that it will get disected, bit by bit...
What a droopy attitude i have eh?
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." - Henry Mencken
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
"And what would you do with a brain if you had one?" - Wizard of Oz
I'm sure the game will be great at release but this is an MMO, what happens after release is a lot more important to the player base than for a regular game. Look at WoW as an example, at release a great game with wide appeal and running very stable on just about all machines that can actually run it. The lack of end game is not an immediate problem, it's an MMO and the promises of end game PvP and PvE on par with the already released game content has millions of players salivating in expectation... the actual end game turns out to be something completely different than the original game, not only is it different but it follows a design philosophy that is diametrically opposed to the one used for the original game - in addition support is very poor, server stability is a joke etc.
What I'm afraid of is just that, a game that is great out of the gate with a few things missing (there always are...) that supposedly will be added in the coming year or two through timely quality content patches. I'm afraid that with EA making their mark the lessons learned from DAOC will be forgotten and the lessons from WoW will be what dictates WAR's future after release. The player base will faithfully keep playing on unstable servers with little or no support available and they will keep paying for a lot of flashy gear oriented new content to grind through provided by whatever remains of the once visionary dev team now slaving under EA terms. The RvR will rapidly erode into a simple matter of who has the best gear and even that will be easily decided by who has the most RL money to spend on in game currency and items. On a side note here the tried and true way of designing MMO's for the asian market is very heavily gear oriented, this may or may not be the key to the market but anyone interested in being successful in asia will be given the advice to focus heavily on gear.
I think WAR will be a great game but I no longer think it will remain a great game for long after release, I very much hope I'm wrong and all concerned has learned their lessons (EA messing up their MMO's completely in the past, Mythic releasing a very good PvE expansion with major RvR impact completely shattering any hope of a balanced and easily accessible RvR end game, GW has improved a lot in their choice of partners for computer games but those of us that have been around don't want a return to the bad old days) but I really don't expect t at this point.
Problem is, this is a pointless argument, we are not paying anything yet, we are going off assumption that EA will f*** up. I have strong faith that they will (seeing as to what they did with UO) but ultimately time will tell. There will be an open beta and reguardless of what some people are saying here and how many times they state that they will not play this game when open beta comes they will be in it. So lets stop arguing about something that may or may not happen and discuss something useful......Like how much Chaos is going to own everyone else
from what mythic have said, they got a pretty good deal out of this, of course, a little part of me is still a bit uneasy about the whole thing, but let's not go rushing into things, just see how it pans out. If everybody figured change would lead to the end of the world as we know it, nothing would ever change, even for the better. it could happen! for now, i'm just going to watch and see how this one plays out.
------------------------------ Currently playing: Rift
former player of: DAoC, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, SWG (pre-NGE), WoW, Warhammer online, LotR:O
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Mine and my roommates comps run flawless with it after every patch, and apparently so do the people I've been playing online.
Seems like user error.
How could running a simple patch program be user error? All you do is double click and it installs automatically. Then again I don't have the best computer either. I don't have the money to buy upgrade after upgrade.
*Specs*
2.4GHz P4 processor
6200 Nvidea Geforce
120GB harddrive
1024mbz memory
Monitor X2Gen MG19VT with a 75hz refresh rate.
The new patches forces you to run at 85 hz for who knows what reason. Which patches shouldn't go screwing with your options.
Siehst du mich
Erkennst du mich
Ganz tief in meinem Herz
ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
Ich sehne mich
nach dem was ich geliebt hab
doch ich find es nicht
"3) EA has never, ever said that they want to change the deal with GW (Games Workshop)"
They don't have a choice. GW has the final say on everything that involves their IP.
DAoC - Mentalist TL + Tons of other Toons
How about their awesome latest patch, where Clans can't have proper Clan matches because if they password their server the unlocked weapons are not available. How about how fun it is for the Commander to be able to drop vehicles on Snipers heads, or on Helicopters that are about to take off... the game is just stupid, and that's what worries me about EA owning WAR.
I have little doubt that the current ideas for WAR will change from now up until it's release, but what i have serious concerns for is the patches after it's released. EA is known for having shitty patches (like the latest BF2 patch), they change content all the time and most often it's for the worse. My biggest worry is that once EA has gotten their moneys worth out of this game, they'll drop it. I can't see it lasting as long as most MMO's last, especially if the numbers start to drop after some time, as people are bound to try different games at some point.
Well droping a vechical on a snipers head doesn't seem like a bad thing. (Don't take this as me being an ass. I'm just looking at it in a different way) Say you are the comander (And you don't know where the sniper is or anything like that on the battlefield) You want a vechical and order a drop. It just covenetenly lands on an enimy sniper thusly killing him. You didn't know, but it still works out for you in the long run. I'm not saying things like that happen in real war, but I don't doubt that an enimy hasn't been killed by something similur.
Siehst du mich
Erkennst du mich
Ganz tief in meinem Herz
ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
Ich sehne mich
nach dem was ich geliebt hab
doch ich find es nicht
lol these are all the same people that post and complain how bad mythic has sucked for years and years. It just another thing for the average MMO fan to complain about. Go look at all the MMO boards out there, try and find a board were their isn't people complaining about the game company that makes the game.
The funny part is they'll complain and complain and bitch and moan, but they'll have their copy of WAR first day released complaining about it's launch.
Tormented echoes of a fallen Eden
I longed for her beauty
Yet from dust, she returned
The dream, an enigma.... silent
People are worried. EA doesn't respect gamers, and if they do they have a funny way of showing it.
HA yeah right, EA are just going to give Mythic all the cash they ask for whenever they ask for it in big bags with "swag" and "$" on the side.
I've heard the words "company A will have nothing to do with company B" so many times now that I can't help but laugh when someone thinks the world is that simple.
HEY who knows, maybe it will be fine. I'm sure i'll be playing WAR either way, I'd prefer EA over SoE and small MMO devs just can't make it on their own anymore.
You mean this isnt a MMO of large breasted elven women playing beach volleyball
Dang - I am following the wrong game
People are worried. EA doesn't respect gamers, and if they do they have a funny way of showing it.
HA yeah right, EA are just going to give Mythic all the cash they ask for whenever they ask for it in big bags with "swag" and "$" on the side.
I've heard the words "company A will have nothing to do with company B" so many times now that I can't help but laugh when someone thinks the world is that simple.
HEY who knows, maybe it will be fine. I'm sure i'll be playing WAR either way, I'd prefer EA over SoE and small MMO devs just can't make it on their own anymore.
The only post that makes sense. I love how people think EA is just going to hand over a bag of money without a say in the product. Must be alot of kids that live at home here.
and i cant trust anyone who says Believe me since in the center is LIE BE LIE VE
hehe some funny crap for ya
Originally posted by Shaikura
Happens all the time. It's called an investment. Whatever the specifcs of the buyout agreement, so long as Mythic is providing EA a return on their investment, there's no reason for them to get involved.
The interesting thing will be seeing if EA/Mythic are willing to accept the game as a financial success if it doesn't pull in WoW-like numbers. Will 250-500k subs be considered acceptable in light of WoW's millions of subs, even though it is profitable at that range?
Happens all the time. It's called an investment. Whatever the specifcs of the buyout agreement, so long as Mythic is providing EA a return on their investment, there's no reason for them to get involved.
The interesting thing will be seeing if EA/Mythic are willing to accept the game as a financial success if it doesn't pull in WoW-like numbers. Will 250-500k subs be considered acceptable in light of WoW's millions of subs, even though it is profitable at that range?
You make a point and then dismiss it in the same post. There are a good many reasons why EA wouldn't give out money without a say in how it is spent.
To be fair they shouldn't be expected to hand out cash without a say in how it is spent, the problem is that EA don't always come across as having the gamers interest at heart.
Getting an influx of cash be it from another business, or an individual, doesn't necessarily mean they have any say in things. Look at the guys behind the Phantom console. They've raised millions in venture capital, and clearly there's no one running the show there, and they sure as hell haven't produced a console yet. You can purchase stock in a company all you want, but I wouldn't expect them to drop by the house and ask how you feel about the direction the company is taking.
If Mythic were some unkown dev team with no games under their belt, I'd agree with you. EA would have a pretty tight reign on their cash. However, Mythic's proven they can get the job done, as such, I figure it would be in EA's best interest to take a hands off approach, and just let the folks at Mythic do their thing, so long as their meeting their milestones, and so on.
EA's buyout of Mythic is pretty straightforward. As Blizzard has proven, there's still gold left in them thar hills, and EA want's a peice of the pie as it were. Mythic has a proven track record, and a successful game out, which makes them a smarter investment than some unknown indie dev team. Their upcoming title stands to do well, so long as Mythic doesn't bollocks it up.
Mythic needs the money to finish the project, and with EA handling the marketing, distro, and in all likelyhood the CS and servers, that gives Mythic more resources to focus on making the game, rather than worrying about all the things EA will now be taking care of. At this point, the only thing EA can screw up is the marketing campaign, and of course the customer service, or lack thereof.
As for EA, or Mythic, or any developer having the interest of gamers in mind? Of course they don't. They have their interests in mind, namely making a profit on their product. Which means appealing to the broadest market possible. So yeah, I imagine there will be many lessons taken from WoW in WAR, just as has been done in EQ2, and DAoC. This would happen with or without EA's involvement, but I don't expect people to make the distinction.
The days of the niche MMO are rapidly fading thanks to the success of games like WoW. Sure, you might get some indie game that pulls a Blair Witch Project, and makes a fortune, but when MMOs are costing millions to produce these days, without major financial backing, an indie team isn't going to be able get a game out the door, and no publisher in their right mind is going to back something that in all likelyhood will lose them alot of money.
bah, double posts for the lose...
I'm not bothered about EA making a profit from WAR, I'm bothered that they will feel the only way they can make money from it is if they stick their noses in. EA don't have a good past record with MMOs..
WAR in other words is looking very solid. And as such it should enjoy a healthy financial backup.
The question is the future of Mythic, or rather, their future projects, since they're no longer independant. They will have to convince EA that their next project is worth funding, or the next and so on. Or there may be demands to make sequels of previous projects (seeing as this is EA we're talking about that's a pretty good assumption)... A sequel done for the sake of making a sequel and not because of a great game idea will probably sell well, but usually not live up to the expectations. It's a slow death, one that's been repeated several times (not just by EA)...
For as long as the cashcow provides it will be milked, after that it will get disected, bit by bit...
What a droopy attitude i have eh?
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth." - Henry Mencken
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
"And what would you do with a brain if you had one?" - Wizard of Oz
I'm sure the game will be great at release but this is an MMO, what happens after release is a lot more important to the player base than for a regular game. Look at WoW as an example, at release a great game with wide appeal and running very stable on just about all machines that can actually run it. The lack of end game is not an immediate problem, it's an MMO and the promises of end game PvP and PvE on par with the already released game content has millions of players salivating in expectation... the actual end game turns out to be something completely different than the original game, not only is it different but it follows a design philosophy that is diametrically opposed to the one used for the original game - in addition support is very poor, server stability is a joke etc.
What I'm afraid of is just that, a game that is great out of the gate with a few things missing (there always are...) that supposedly will be added in the coming year or two through timely quality content patches. I'm afraid that with EA making their mark the lessons learned from DAOC will be forgotten and the lessons from WoW will be what dictates WAR's future after release. The player base will faithfully keep playing on unstable servers with little or no support available and they will keep paying for a lot of flashy gear oriented new content to grind through provided by whatever remains of the once visionary dev team now slaving under EA terms. The RvR will rapidly erode into a simple matter of who has the best gear and even that will be easily decided by who has the most RL money to spend on in game currency and items. On a side note here the tried and true way of designing MMO's for the asian market is very heavily gear oriented, this may or may not be the key to the market but anyone interested in being successful in asia will be given the advice to focus heavily on gear.
I think WAR will be a great game but I no longer think it will remain a great game for long after release, I very much hope I'm wrong and all concerned has learned their lessons (EA messing up their MMO's completely in the past, Mythic releasing a very good PvE expansion with major RvR impact completely shattering any hope of a balanced and easily accessible RvR end game, GW has improved a lot in their choice of partners for computer games but those of us that have been around don't want a return to the bad old days) but I really don't expect t at this point.
If everybody figured change would lead to the end of the world as we know it, nothing would ever change, even for the better. it could happen!
for now, i'm just going to watch and see how this one plays out.
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Currently playing: Rift
former player of: DAoC, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, SWG (pre-NGE), WoW, Warhammer online, LotR:O