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Just saw the Expertise system ...
Gorair
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So i see lots pissed about it ( like you werent warned a million times) and others saying the jedi already had their powers revamp earlier.
So my question is if the Jedi now is what a jedi would be if he could purchase all the powers using the expertise why did they nerf them recently?
I mean why knock down the powers by almost 30% if you KNEW that soon players would not have the points to spend in the expertise system to get it all back? I see how if that was an end result of an impossible build how it was overpowered when ALL those powers were running at master level or whatever , but since you cant get them all back to where they were, why make them weaker? That was what made the jedi strong ALL those powers being at 100% and since it cant be done under the expertise system why take them down? saber block at 100% was great when you could break snare and FR but without those 2 it doesnt matter if its 100% or not, its pretty useless. Same with a Snare break unless you can SB , a gun dude is gonna take you down quick even if you break it ,unless you happen to already be near a corner to run out of sight.
The sad thing is what will happen to all the non jedi soon I can imagine medics only being able to use pistols unless you spend a stupid amout of points to buy the right to use rifles , and then if you do, you wont have enough points to make your gas have an AOE and a DOT etc ...( guess based on past SOE design ).
EDIT ( WTF? ok an entire paragraph was here and didnt show up , but i dont feel like retyping it just yet)
Maybe if they had not gone out of their way to try to prove they listen and communicate to the players they would not have everyone and their mom watching them like a hawk ready to pounce with the "liar" tag.
How can internal communication over there be 100% incorrect, 100% of the time? the old saying even goes "even a broken clock is right twice a day" they should have lucky guessed out an announcment by now and been right. Oh well ,I kinda feel like im watching a train wreck, cant look away , just stare amazed at the carnage , while listeningto the one guy always there saying the trains are perfect, we meant to do this , nothing to see here.
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This again points to total mismangement. Had they fully developed the NGE and released it complete, and fully beta tested, much of the anger from the community could have been avoided. They would have heard from the current playerbase, and then implemeted what we liked about the old game into the new system before hand. It still would have been a poor substitute, but it would have cut down alot of the infighting and player disatifaction.
I seen the Expertise system. To me, it looks like an almost exact copy of World of Warcrafts Talent system.
You have 3 Branches to choose from. Exactly like WoW
You gain an Expertise point (Talent point) every 2 levels. Exactly like WoW.
Youre first Expertise point (Talent point) is gained at level 10. Exactly like WoW.
Ect. ect. ect.
It looks like a rip off from WoWs Talent tree system to me. I wonder if Blizzard knows that SOE is using thier talent system.
WoW gives talent points every level. New abilities every other (even numbered) level. Of course, SWG has 1/3 more levels than WoW, so it makes sense.
Still, a shameless copy of WoW's talent system.
WoW gives talent points every level. New abilities every other (even numbered) level. Of course, SWG has 1/3 more levels than WoW, so it makes sense.
Still, a shameless copy of WoW's talent system.
Youre right. I stand corrected. My apologies. Need more cofee
...I think you can assume they're copying WoW.
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lol rather then all the features from wow maybe they should try copying Blizzards quality
Sooner or later some of the player base will run out of teeth to be kicked out.
I have to wonder what on Earth makes people just NOT understand how they are being treated and or sold a bag of goods.
All they have to do is just sit down and ask: "What have the told me and what have they delivered on".... then it is just common sense at that point.
I have some friends I know right now, that TRY to play.. I almost feel for them as they even say on Team speak of how broke it is -- THEN I ask "WHY IN THE FRIG DO YOU PLAY THEN?" --- Nine times out of ten, it's because it's Star Wars and people --
I have yet to have one person say "It's because of the great gameplay experience and working quests"...... lol
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
What I find silly is the piss poor social environment which has become of SWG. Now that the game appeals to illiterate 12 year olds with attention deficit disorder you see something of 60% of the player base was braty Jedi who are trying to scam everyone. It's very bad.
The "expertise" system is nothing like WoW. Sure, you can purchase talent but that is not WoW. WoW did not establish that type of character development mechanics and even then it's not the same.
Rollplaying games of 20 years ago have had a similar method to advance your character. There had been many different systems which use a similar perpoint per % increase as what's being presented for the new SWG skill system. If I recall, even games which did not facilaitate this means of advancement had DMs (game masters) include a similar customizable feature which allowed players to "spend a point" to increase a statistic.
I like what's being presented. It's obviously not complete and many things should change. The current question of concern is the apparent lack of actuall diversity through a restriction of a low hard cap of the allowable points you can spend on a skill. Players need to have the abliity to dump as many points into a category as they wish if such a field provided an increase. If someone wants +200% to ForceRun then by all means let them have it. As well, this also applies to all the other dynamic stats.
The main problem I see with this is the severely low number of points which are allowed to be spent. With a total of 45 points and heavy requirements on certain fields this new system does not suceed in the form as it's being presented.
Good game:
- "I'm so cool headshooting everyone. last night I fragged 8 people in a row"
- "Love the epic armor. Need to do 17 more raids to get missing parts"
- "Wow, last nights castle siege sucked so bad. Their aoes decimated us"
- "I'm now going to build second city, running out of garbage space in the first one"
Bad game:
- "I enjoy the quests"
- "I belive that with a few improvements, the pvp will rock"
- "I'm having lots of fun participating in epic battles"
- "These last additions really improved looting"
The main difference is in detail. If you have a good game, people will play it, and never refer to it as a game. If you have a bad game, there will be no emotional attachment, no involvement, statements will be cold and detached.
This has nothing to do with some absolute quality of the game. Nothing in this world is perfect. But if you have majority of people, who have forgotten about the game, and actually find the activities engaging, then you have a good game.
Think of it this way:
"Last nights match was great, even score till last 3 minutes"
"I enjoy the teamplay and skill it takes to maneuver the ball"
Both describe soccer match, but one finds it enjoyable, other doesn't.
And if you think I'm full of bull, go skim through random game forums. You'll see the correlation soon enough.
If it was smooth and working like WoW -- I would not be playing WoW -- along with at least 1000 other people I know of from Bria that left.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I don't know why people are suprised, they did after all jump on the WOW band wagon as soon as they pushed the NGE live. The only reason SWG is slighty different and at the moment a poor mans WOW, is because they are crap at programming efficiently and its going to probably take them another 12 months before the game is basically WOW with a Star Wars skin on it. So I'm laughing when I see people saying "SWG is 100 times better then WOW" or " I personally can't stand WOW for more then 2 weeks, how can you enjoy such an un-fun game." when infact they are playing a game which is ripping off the basics from WOW and will more then likely just end up being WOW in space but a much poorer version. The talent trees are just one of many things that will come along, you will probably end up with massive raid instances much like Molten core, crafting will probably be pushed as secondary waste of space profession much like WOW. The only thing that will differentiate SWG from WOW will be the ability to create player cities and player housing but you never know SOE may just get rid of that aswell.
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As an update, HanseSOE has been replying to much of R5's Comlink regarding the expertise system today. Here is one particular quote that has me all excited.
HanseSOE
Yay! More particle effects! Let's have even more spells to cast!
This is what happens when you crap on people. SOE crapped on the original devs and canned them or they quit. They hired a bunch of morons that think they have a clue and.....NGE is what you get. They have NO ORIGNAL IDEAS and try to copy from other games without being too obvious.
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lol rather then all the features from wow maybe they should try copying Blizzards quality
PERISH the thought!
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