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Originally posted by rushin Originally posted by scarazi you know you could have just said "pick kami"
too many points raised there for me to do more than comment on one thing o.o
What the Kami faction needs is a leader/guild to lead. and i dont just mean a Pro PvP guild who is there at every OP battle, but someone to train, teach, mobilise, win over people to care enough to take part in faction PvP. back in the day when i was more involved in it it was frankly impossible to get anyone to help in attacking an OP, and only to defend if there was some vested interest due to an alliance. people didnt want to attack because they were scared of reprisals and thought if they stay invisible the KA would leave them alone.
I've moaned about this on the main forums before so not going to do it again, but i really believe the best thing to happen now is the kami lose *every* op, might be enough of kick up our proverbial asses to make people care.
i seriously hope spires are not introduced until our shard gets its act together and finds a better balance, if they come in with things as they are now it will just cause more ppl to leave and no one will have any fun from them.
and Grim there are lots of players that love the game and have been around forever, just not all of them are as vocal or should that be huggable as Kibs
Oh I agree with you Rushin.
But, I´m absolutely 100% sure, that those who DO leave will not see their own failure to get up an DO something about the situation, but will blame again Navrax for not being on "their side". Sorry, but This WILL come to pass and I hate it when that happens. People are too damn shortsighted, they want everyting but don´t want to do anything for it. I´m not realy into PvP either, as stated above, I do it because it IS implemented in the Game, its part of the Game, so it is part of the Role I play as a Homin on Atys. I mostly try to stay out of it, but if due to RP I can´t avoid it, I do it. Where the hell is the problem with that? Sadly most people will only see that "spires are for PvPers" and "we poor Kami have been betrayed by Nevrax". They wallow in selfpity, and will rant, rant, rant about it. Flame about it and go away about it. They won´t do anything about it. Only thing that will come will be accusations of Nevarx and Karavan players to be "evil".
They have the chance to do something before the spires are implemented. The KNOW that Spires are comming, the have all the warnings, all the signs, all the wirtings on the walls they need, to do something about it. They have all chances they need, but do they use them? Nope, they will wait untill the proverbial child has fallen down the well and then will rise up and shout accusations of betrial by Nevrax and "the other part of the com" too. It´s the same on every Server. In every Game I´ve played so far. LARP, Tabetop, or MMO. Not a few people develop a defeatist attitude, if a Games Developers don´t implement at once what THEY want the Game to be. Just as it was said above, I agree with that. If these people don´t get what THEY wish, they will declare the Game a failure and will storm of with flameguns ablaze. They simply don´t see the larger Picture and aren´t able to look just a whee bit into the future.
There are and will be a few (but only a very few) that aren´t as vocal as me or you yes. These are the ones that accept that it´s a Game, that develops over time and that, even with some circumstances changed, it still remains the same Game at its core. And for these people the Game isn´t about Numbercrunching, PvP, or PvE, its about Fun. Fun in adapting to a new environment. At least it is for me. I see change as an oportunity to grow with it. For me and my charakter. These people will stay, regardless of Spires. They see the larger Picture. They will try and act accordingly. Sadly they are a small minority. And this could break a game. Let´s hope that Arispotles Kami Cominuty is not to defeatist. But I´m sure a lot of people will be.
Sorry to sound so negative. But that´s how I see the situation in the light of above descriptions and past occurances.
MaDSaM
Ryzom, we dare to be different. Do you dare to adapt?
RP + PvP = roleplaying a character who wants to kill other homins for some reason.
And I agree with Acridiel, by the way. On that note, I believe the only reason we aren't seeing more kitin invasions is that, ingame, we simply do not show that we want it. <rant> We whine and whine OOC on forums, wah wah we want more RAID engine usage...but next to no real demonstration of that desire ingame. We sit there and wait for things to come to us. If you really want something, MAKE IT HAPPEN! Make those kitin angry by striking their nests again and again! Ryzom is a different breed of MMO - the players must take significant initiative to direct it the way they want. The opportunity is there, but maybe many people are just too accustomed to the static quest content type common to other MMOs, so they don't understand how to take advantage of it... </rant> As for me, I will be pushing for homin invasions in the near future, as soon as some RL things settle down.
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Originally posted by katriell RP + PvP = roleplaying a character who wants to kill other homins for some reason. And I agree with Acridiel, by the way. On that note, I believe the only reason we aren't seeing more kitin invasions is that, ingame, we simply do not show that we want it. <rant> We whine and whine OOC on forums, wah wah we want more RAID engine usage...but next to no real demonstration of that desire ingame. We sit there and wait for things to come to us. If you really want something, MAKE IT HAPPEN! Make those kitin angry by striking their nests again and again! Ryzom is a different breed of MMO - the players must take significant initiative to direct it the way they want. The opportunity is there, but maybe many people are just too accustomed to the static quest content type common to other MMOs, so they don't understand how to take advantage of it... </rant> As for me, I will be pushing for homin invasions in the near future, as soon as some RL things settle down.
*LOL* Funny how we seem to think alike Kat.
A few friends and me have come to the same conclusion lately and we´ll try "and bansih the Kitin from our Homelands!!". (let´s see if we can´t get those bugs roused. )
But, admittedly, I think the next Invasion will come once R² is up an runnig. And it will be competely different from what we´ve experienced so far. Just read the possibilitys of R² again... *gulp*
MaDSaM / Acridiel
Ryzom, we dare to be different. Do you dare to adapt?
There is one thing I realy don´t understand about Arispotles population though. I better ask here, as not to be "killed" in the offic. Forums Why are there SO many Kami-Players? As I understand it, it almost seems that Arispotles Players are about 90% Kami aligned. On Lenaon we´re about 50/50 I would estimate. Wich is quite good for PvP and RP alike. So, can anyone answer me why almost everyone on Arispotle seems to want to play Kami?
(I won´t reveal my allegiance here as not to be questioned about it, those who know me, know anyway and what I think about it)
MaDSaM
My review of the situation atm the moment goes something like this. the kami and the karavan were once quite evenly balanced, the karavan guilds had the numbers but not the belief (i.e why was infinity never challenged for their 2op's). The kami on the other hand had the belief and only slightly lesss numbers. Infinity then left the game, all of a sudden a large hurdle to the karavan dissapeared. First a few karavan guilds tested the water and were met with success. When it became apparent they could win they got very confident and also got organised (good job of it too). The more successes the karavans had forced some kami to get frustrated and either leave (crescent moon) or switch sides (some people cant handle being on the losing side). This thus increased the gulf between the factions. the remaining kami guild now are split between those who want to take a stand and fight back (KoO) and those who are scared of taking that step as they may lose what they already have (op's) if the karavan retaliate. the introduction of spires with this inbalance will be a grave mistake. New players will become frustrated at the lack of freedom to travel and explore, old players will also leave due to losing access to common hunting grounds etc. Some people are crafters by nature and only chose a side for teleport access. The already feel punished for what they see as an infringement on their freedom to play without having to partcipate in PvP. This feeling will increase if/when spires does arrive. I liked many of grims ideas in his overlong post its not often I do agree with him. I dont however believe nevrax would dare trying to address the balance issue but penalising the karavan (which essentially it would be if inplemented against todays game). The lost 50% of the kami playerbase, why would they shoot themselves in the foot and do it to the karavan. who knows the whole thing may come a full circle one day. 60% of the people I seem to be fighting these days are fyros. maybe its true about some PvP players not being able to lose and joining the winning side every time. so read, digest, tear apart my opinion. thats just the way I see things these days. I always look forward to input (barring the sometime silly remarks)
Please don´t forget, while Arispotle is now the most populated Server, or so it may seem I don´t realy know about Aniro, there are still two other shards, where the Situation isn´t that dire to begin with.
While I belive that even on thses servers a certain amount of people, whom I openly consider pretty dense in this regard, will leave "because Nevrax betryed us". This will by no means be as severe as on Arispotle. As Rushin already said. people should leran to get their act togehter and do something about it, other then switching from the whiner side to the winner side. The should quit whining alltogether and organise, do something about in INGame!!! Maybe even through R² Insatnces where they can lead the "normal" life they prefere. But secluding themselves into selvbuilt exile won´t help for long. I´m pretty sure that the spires are hyped up as "the next big bad thing" because people don´t quite understand what they realy mean. It was this way with Patch One. It was this way with Episode One. And it will again be this way with the Spires, and even with R² maybe. Somepople can´t be bothered to look above and beyond their own style of play and their own wants and needs, however strange or rational they may be. And I realy dont see the Spires as alike to SWGs NGE. Not at all. As I said above, I see them as an oprotunity for change, for new Avneues to Roleplay, to NOT comming to a standstill with the Game, but to implement more new Ideas and other ways of Fun to be had.
I´m not someone who says that "a war is the best thing that can happen to a nation." but without conflict any game would be just lame... No Basketball, Baseball, Football Game would be as exiting without the inherrent conflct and the desire to WIN.
I for myself will stay with SoR, regardless of the Spires. I will adapt and wait whats in store for the Future. People who are to set in their ways and aren´t able to accept new concepts have my pity, but I won´t realy miss them. In a way I enjoy the situation as it is currently. The thread of war looming over all Homins, and some clamouring for it, others doing their best to prevent it. It´s quite exiting and I might say: We live in interesting times.
MaDSaM
Ryzom, we dare to be different. Do you dare to adapt?
My question is, what Kami guild or guilds are in the best position to challenge this inbalance? Are there any currently willing to take up the sword but not strong enough? If the control of outposts is unbalanced, over time it will be increasingly more difficult to oppose a foe who has reaped the rewards of that control. The strong will only get stronger, and when the spires arrive be in a much better position to take control of them.
I just began playing a couple of weeks ago, and wish to join a "Pro-active" Kami PvP guild, but none have stood out. Anyone who can point me in the right direction please let me know.
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too many points raised there for me to do more than comment on one thing o.o
What the Kami faction needs is a leader/guild to lead. and i dont just mean a Pro PvP guild who is there at every OP battle, but someone to train, teach, mobilise, win over people to care enough to take part in faction PvP. back in the day when i was more involved in it it was frankly impossible to get anyone to help in attacking an OP, and only to defend if there was some vested interest due to an alliance. people didnt want to attack because they were scared of reprisals and thought if they stay invisible the KA would leave them alone.
I've moaned about this on the main forums before so not going to do it again, but i really believe the best thing to happen now is the kami lose *every* op, might be enough of kick up our proverbial asses to make people care.
i seriously hope spires are not introduced until our shard gets its act together and finds a better balance, if they come in with things as they are now it will just cause more ppl to leave and no one will have any fun from them.
and Grim there are lots of players that love the game and have been around forever, just not all of them are as vocal or should that be huggable as Kibs
Oh I agree with you Rushin.
But, I´m absolutely 100% sure, that those who DO leave will not see their own failure to get up an DO something about the situation, but will blame again Navrax for not being on "their side".
Sorry, but This WILL come to pass and I hate it when that happens.
People are too damn shortsighted, they want everyting but don´t want to do anything for it.
I´m not realy into PvP either, as stated above, I do it because it IS implemented in the Game, its part of the Game, so it is part of the Role I play as a Homin on Atys. I mostly try to stay out of it, but if due to RP I can´t avoid it, I do it. Where the hell is the problem with that?
Sadly most people will only see that "spires are for PvPers" and "we poor Kami have been betrayed by Nevrax".
They wallow in selfpity, and will rant, rant, rant about it. Flame about it and go away about it.
They won´t do anything about it. Only thing that will come will be accusations of Nevarx and Karavan players to be "evil".
They have the chance to do something before the spires are implemented. The KNOW that Spires are comming, the have all the warnings, all the signs, all the wirtings on the walls they need, to do something about it. They have all chances they need, but do they use them? Nope, they will wait untill the proverbial child has fallen down the well and then will rise up and shout accusations of betrial by Nevrax and "the other part of the com" too.
It´s the same on every Server. In every Game I´ve played so far. LARP, Tabetop, or MMO.
Not a few people develop a defeatist attitude, if a Games Developers don´t implement at once what THEY want the Game to be. Just as it was said above, I agree with that. If these people don´t get what THEY wish, they will declare the Game a failure and will storm of with flameguns ablaze. They simply don´t see the larger Picture and aren´t able to look just a whee bit into the future.
There are and will be a few (but only a very few) that aren´t as vocal as me or you yes. These are the ones that accept that it´s a Game, that develops over time and that, even with some circumstances changed, it still remains the same Game at its core. And for these people the Game isn´t about Numbercrunching, PvP, or PvE, its about Fun.
Fun in adapting to a new environment. At least it is for me. I see change as an oportunity to grow with it.
For me and my charakter. These people will stay, regardless of Spires.
They see the larger Picture. They will try and act accordingly.
Sadly they are a small minority.
And this could break a game. Let´s hope that Arispotles Kami Cominuty is not to defeatist. But I´m sure a lot of people will be.
Sorry to sound so negative.
But that´s how I see the situation in the light of above descriptions and past occurances.
MaDSaM
Do you dare to adapt?
RP + PvP = roleplaying a character who wants to kill other homins for some reason.
And I agree with Acridiel, by the way. On that note, I believe the only reason we aren't seeing more kitin invasions is that, ingame, we simply do not show that we want it. <rant> We whine and whine OOC on forums, wah wah we want more RAID engine usage...but next to no real demonstration of that desire ingame. We sit there and wait for things to come to us. If you really want something, MAKE IT HAPPEN! Make those kitin angry by striking their nests again and again! Ryzom is a different breed of MMO - the players must take significant initiative to direct it the way they want. The opportunity is there, but maybe many people are just too accustomed to the static quest content type common to other MMOs, so they don't understand how to take advantage of it... </rant> As for me, I will be pushing for homin invasions in the near future, as soon as some RL things settle down.
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In memory of Laura "Taera" Genender. Passed away on August 13, 2008.
A few friends and me have come to the same conclusion lately and we´ll try "and bansih the Kitin from our Homelands!!". (let´s see if we can´t get those bugs roused.
But, admittedly, I think the next Invasion will come once R² is up an runnig. And it will be competely different from what we´ve experienced so far. Just read the possibilitys of R² again... *gulp*
MaDSaM / Acridiel
Do you dare to adapt?
While I belive that even on thses servers a certain amount of people, whom I openly consider pretty dense in this regard, will leave "because Nevrax betryed us". This will by no means be as severe as on Arispotle.
As Rushin already said. people should leran to get their act togehter and do something about it, other then switching from the whiner side to the winner side.
The should quit whining alltogether and organise, do something about in INGame!!!
Maybe even through R² Insatnces where they can lead the "normal" life they prefere. But secluding themselves into selvbuilt exile won´t help for long.
I´m pretty sure that the spires are hyped up as "the next big bad thing" because people don´t quite understand what they realy mean.
It was this way with Patch One. It was this way with Episode One. And it will again be this way with the Spires, and even with R² maybe.
Somepople can´t be bothered to look above and beyond their own style of play and their own wants and needs, however strange or rational they may be.
And I realy dont see the Spires as alike to SWGs NGE. Not at all.
As I said above, I see them as an oprotunity for change, for new Avneues to Roleplay, to NOT comming to a standstill with the Game, but to implement more new Ideas and other ways of Fun to be had.
I´m not someone who says that "a war is the best thing that can happen to a nation." but without conflict any game would be just lame...
No Basketball, Baseball, Football Game would be as exiting without the inherrent conflct and the desire to WIN.
I for myself will stay with SoR, regardless of the Spires. I will adapt and wait whats in store for the Future.
People who are to set in their ways and aren´t able to accept new concepts have my pity, but I won´t realy miss them.
In a way I enjoy the situation as it is currently. The thread of war looming over all Homins, and some clamouring for it, others doing their best to prevent it.
We live in interesting times.
MaDSaM
Do you dare to adapt?
btw I only quoted you coz the reply button wouldnt work
Do you dare to adapt?
I just began playing a couple of weeks ago, and wish to join a "Pro-active" Kami PvP guild, but none have stood out. Anyone who can point me in the right direction please let me know.
kings of oblivion is my guild
we are as far as I know the only PvP guild on the kami side atm
This is the best source for guilds, their focus and alignment politically.
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23509
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