As far as posting critical things about the game, that is really everyone's right. I generally see more trolling done by the proponents of the game than by the detractors.
Originally posted by Horsebath Hmm if you can't take your enemies loot after you kill them then the game is definiately carebear.Hopefully they will make a seperate PVP server for advanced players.
call it carebear if you like, but here is the problem with a system like that in a game like vanguard. vanguard is a item-centric game, it will take months to acquire some items in the game.
and if there was a full looting system like what you want, people wouldn't be doing any of those quests to get items just to have them be taken upon death.
also since vanguard is item-centric, the content will be balanced in reference to the stats and skill modifications from the items a character of that level should be wearing.
so yeah, i can pretty much guarantee you there will not be a server like what you are hoping for. and if there is, more power to ya but i seriously doubt it.
Originally posted by Salvatoris As far as posting critical things about the game, that is really everyone's right. I generally see more trolling done by the proponents of the game than by the detractors.
i haven't viewed these forums in a while, but i have to disagree. in the past these forums were taking over by people posting negative things about vanguard in a trollish manner.
people saying the same things over and over, only coming here to start crap with the "fanboi's" and not even attempting to have a actually discussion about vanguard.
not saying that vanguard fans don't troll, they do but i see alot more people that hate vanguard and come here only to start crap than i do the actual fans, again that was in the past maybe things have changed though i doubt it.
Originally posted by Horsebath Hmm if you can't take your enemies loot after you kill them then the game is definiately carebear.Hopefully they will make a seperate PVP server for advanced players.
call it carebear if you like, but here is the problem with a system like that in a game like vanguard. vanguard is a item-centric game, it will take months to acquire some items in the game.
and if there was a full looting system like what you want, people wouldn't be doing any of those quests to get items just to have them be taken upon death.
also since vanguard is item-centric, the content will be balanced in reference to the stats and skill modifications from the items a character of that level should be wearing.
so yeah, i can pretty much guarantee you there will not be a server like what you are hoping for. and if there is, more power to ya but i seriously doubt it.
Item centric? That is a shame. Like WOW pvp will revolve around items and not skill. Oh well this game is definitely carebear.
Originally posted by Horsebath Originally posted by baphametOriginally posted by HorsebathHmm if you can't take your enemies loot after you kill them then the game is definiately carebear.Hopefully they will make a seperate PVP server for advanced players. call it carebear if you like, but here is the problem with a system like that in a game like vanguard. vanguard is a item-centric game, it will take months to acquire some items in the game. and if there was a full looting system like what you want, people wouldn't be doing any of those quests to get items just to have them be taken upon death. also since vanguard is item-centric, the content will be balanced in reference to the stats and skill modifications from the items a character of that level should be wearing. so yeah, i can pretty much guarantee you there will not be a server like what you are hoping for. and if there is, more power to ya but i seriously doubt it.Item centric? That is a shame. Like WOW pvp will revolve around items and not skill. Oh well this game is definitely carebear.
yeah, you should probably be anticipating a game like darkfall not vanguard, vanguard is a pve focused game.
Originally posted by orodeon i could see that if u kill somone in pvp you could take items they looted but not there gear that would drive alot of people away
yeah i agree, you could loot all the coin they have on them and your choice of one or two items they have in their inventory.... i would say that is plenty of reward for killing someone in pvp.
Roleplaying = playing a role. That role can be evil, chaotic, good, neutral... you can be a assasin or a person that always help to others, both are roleplaying. What happens is that usually ppl that dont like evil characters say evil characters are not roleplaying and that they dont want ppl like that in his game. Well, if they dont want that ppl then they dont want roleplay, they prefer monoroleplay. I have heard even ppl calling really hard insults to others for being evil in game, and it just can be explained cause they dont know at all what is roleplay, the word meaning is quite simple, just read the word. Somehow they dont realize that evil characters doesnt mean evil ppl in rl, just ppl that like playing an evil character in that game. I have played good and bad characters, just what i felt like.
Also most rules of conduct of mmorpgs go completely against roleplaying. Dont know if you played any rpg in rl but it would be the same as if a character of a player insulted other in game. I dont say that if that player is saying something out of character cant be punished but if it is part of the character should be ok. What happens is that creators of game want most ppl they can get and they get lot of kids that are supposed no to hear that ( most kids are much ruder than me today ).
So for me this game and all games are carebear. It is impossible to roleplay anything cause the rules of the game, cause the game itself ( lack of realism ) and cause the ppl that are calling to Daddy-GM for an insult ( cause they dont know to face insults like men in rl, and not even to take that insult or evil action of the character as part of roleplay )
So, i say the same than non roleplayers and that love carebears say. Pls stay away of the games i play. It would be perfect there was carebear and non carebear games, but there are just carebear games, i will have to choose the best one of them. EQ was not very carebear compared to other games like Saga of Ryzom, so maybe Vanguard do the same or better, i hope so.
Blade with whom i have lived, blade with whom I now die. Serve right and justice one last time. Seek one last heart of evil. Still one last life of pain. Cut well old friend. Then farewell!
Originally posted by gurthgor So for me this game and all games are carebear. It is impossible to roleplay anything cause the rules of the game, cause the game itself ( lack of realism ) and cause the ppl that are calling to Daddy-GM for an insult ( cause they dont know to face insults like men in rl, and not even to take that insult or evil action of the character as part of roleplay )
If the insults and behavour of an evil player are in character and part of the canon of the game, yes you are right. But when you are ganked by some credit card hero and treat to 'ZOMG U R SO GHEY', that my friend, is not roleplaying.
Your so right, without full looting and being able to fight any guild you have declared war on whereever and whenever you want, PVP becomes pointless. If your gear is that important and makes up 90% of your stats as it is in wow (shudders) I say do away with avatars alltogether and start the game as just gear so everyone knows at the start and rename it gearquest #176 a cowards tale.
Originally posted by achellis As far as posting critical things about the game, that is really everyone's right. I generally see more trolling done by the proponents of the game than by the detractors.
So for me this game and all games are carebear. It is impossible to roleplay anything cause the rules of the game, cause the game itself ( lack of realism ) and cause the ppl that are calling to Daddy-GM for an insult ( cause they dont know to face insults like men in rl, and not even to take that insult or evil action of the character as part of roleplay )
Well the problem is - people in games act like total jerks - not because they are role-playing a jerk, but because they are jerks, and there are no consequences to their actions so they can freely abuse other people.
So you can say you are ganking people because you are role-playing an assassin - but at the end of the day you are role-playing a psycopath. Assassins get paid to kill specific people and dont wander around killing strangers at random. thye may kill someone ho interrupts them in the middle of a hit, but thats a totally different thing to getting their kicks from killing low level people who are no challenge at all.
And if the verbally abusive players acted like that in real life they would soon be lying in the gutter with their heads kicked in. Again they act like this because there are no consequences to their actions.
Originally posted by _Shadowmage Originally posted by gurthgorSo for me this game and all games are carebear. It is impossible to roleplay anything cause the rules of the game, cause the game itself ( lack of realism ) and cause the ppl that are calling to Daddy-GM for an insult ( cause they dont know to face insults like men in rl, and not even to take that insult or evil action of the character as part of roleplay ) Well the problem is - people in games act like total jerks - not because they are role-playing a jerk, but because they are jerks, and there are no consequences to their actions so they can freely abuse other people. So you can say you are ganking people because you are role-playing an assassin - but at the end of the day you are role-playing a psycopath. Assassins get paid to kill specific people and dont wander around killing strangers at random. thye may kill someone ho interrupts them in the middle of a hit, but thats a totally different thing to getting their kicks from killing low level people who are no challenge at all.And if the verbally abusive players acted like that in real life they would soon be lying in the gutter with their heads kicked in. Again they act like this because there are no consequences to their actions.
Actually assassins can kill anyone out of his job as any other evil character. An assasin in real life can kill someone out of his regular job. Actually in real life there are tons of murderers with different jobs. But they try not to be catched by police, yes the main difference is police and laws, if you make an open pvp you must make npcs that look for murderers, then it will be more fun for the ones that like pvp and safer for the ones that dont like it.
What happens in rl when a jerk insults you? Well, usually if you can you kick his ass, and that is the same in games, at least if you like roleplaying. Roleplaying doesnt mean you can not say certain words that are offensive, with roleplaying you play ANY role and others must roleplay with THEIR role with you. With open pvp if someone insults you then kill him, flee or shut up, but saying a GM someone has insulted you its like a 3 year old kid asking help to the teacher. Many say they love roleplaying and actually would just ban everybody that doesnt behave similar to them if they could, and what is that? a boring world with all very nice ppl, a nice community ppl say, that is crap, i like diversity, jerks, evil and good players, a world of fantasy with all kind of ppl and races. I dont expect a troll saying to me things, like hi, how are you today?. I expect he tells me go away from my way human! at least. I want to find jerks, i want to kill them and enjoy with that, i like epic battles of evil vs good.
Blade with whom i have lived, blade with whom I now die. Serve right and justice one last time. Seek one last heart of evil. Still one last life of pain. Cut well old friend. Then farewell!
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As far as posting critical things about the game, that is really everyone's right. I generally see more trolling done by the proponents of the game than by the detractors.
Hopefully they will make a seperate PVP server for advanced players.
call it carebear if you like, but here is the problem with a system like that in a game like vanguard. vanguard is a item-centric game, it will take months to acquire some items in the game.
and if there was a full looting system like what you want, people wouldn't be doing any of those quests to get items just to have them be taken upon death.
also since vanguard is item-centric, the content will be balanced in reference to the stats and skill modifications from the items a character of that level should be wearing.
so yeah, i can pretty much guarantee you there will not be a server like what you are hoping for. and if there is, more power to ya but i seriously doubt it.
i haven't viewed these forums in a while, but i have to disagree. in the past these forums were taking over by people posting negative things about vanguard in a trollish manner.
people saying the same things over and over, only coming here to start crap with the "fanboi's" and not even attempting to have a actually discussion about vanguard.
not saying that vanguard fans don't troll, they do but i see alot more people that hate vanguard and come here only to start crap than i do the actual fans, again that was in the past maybe things have changed though i doubt it.
call it carebear if you like, but here is the problem with a system like that in a game like vanguard. vanguard is a item-centric game, it will take months to acquire some items in the game.
and if there was a full looting system like what you want, people wouldn't be doing any of those quests to get items just to have them be taken upon death.
also since vanguard is item-centric, the content will be balanced in reference to the stats and skill modifications from the items a character of that level should be wearing.
so yeah, i can pretty much guarantee you there will not be a server like what you are hoping for. and if there is, more power to ya but i seriously doubt it.
Item centric? That is a shame. Like WOW pvp will revolve around items and not skill. Oh well this game is definitely carebear.
yeah, you should probably be anticipating a game like darkfall not vanguard, vanguard is a pve focused game.
OP, Darkfall is the mmo for you. It's due to release any day now.
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yeah i agree, you could loot all the coin they have on them and your choice of one or two items they have in their inventory.... i would say that is plenty of reward for killing someone in pvp.
Roleplaying = playing a role. That role can be evil, chaotic, good, neutral... you can be a assasin or a person that always help to others, both are roleplaying. What happens is that usually ppl that dont like evil characters say evil characters are not roleplaying and that they dont want ppl like that in his game. Well, if they dont want that ppl then they dont want roleplay, they prefer monoroleplay. I have heard even ppl calling really hard insults to others for being evil in game, and it just can be explained cause they dont know at all what is roleplay, the word meaning is quite simple, just read the word. Somehow they dont realize that evil characters doesnt mean evil ppl in rl, just ppl that like playing an evil character in that game. I have played good and bad characters, just what i felt like.
Also most rules of conduct of mmorpgs go completely against roleplaying. Dont know if you played any rpg in rl but it would be the same as if a character of a player insulted other in game. I dont say that if that player is saying something out of character cant be punished but if it is part of the character should be ok. What happens is that creators of game want most ppl they can get and they get lot of kids that are supposed no to hear that ( most kids are much ruder than me today ).
So for me this game and all games are carebear. It is impossible to roleplay anything cause the rules of the game, cause the game itself ( lack of realism ) and cause the ppl that are calling to Daddy-GM for an insult ( cause they dont know to face insults like men in rl, and not even to take that insult or evil action of the character as part of roleplay )
So, i say the same than non roleplayers and that love carebears say. Pls stay away of the games i play. It would be perfect there was carebear and non carebear games, but there are just carebear games, i will have to choose the best one of them. EQ was not very carebear compared to other games like Saga of Ryzom, so maybe Vanguard do the same or better, i hope so.
Blade with whom i have lived, blade with whom I now die. Serve right and justice one last time. Seek one last heart of evil. Still one last life of pain. Cut well old friend. Then farewell!
Your so right, without full looting and being able to fight any guild you have declared war on whereever and whenever you want, PVP becomes pointless. If your gear is that important and makes up 90% of your stats as it is in wow (shudders) I say do away with avatars alltogether and start the game as just gear so everyone knows at the start and rename it gearquest #176 a cowards tale.
Well the problem is - people in games act like total jerks - not because they are role-playing a jerk, but because they are jerks, and there are no consequences to their actions so they can freely abuse other people.
So you can say you are ganking people because you are role-playing an assassin - but at the end of the day you are role-playing a psycopath. Assassins get paid to kill specific people and dont wander around killing strangers at random. thye may kill someone ho interrupts them in the middle of a hit, but thats a totally different thing to getting their kicks from killing low level people who are no challenge at all.
And if the verbally abusive players acted like that in real life they would soon be lying in the gutter with their heads kicked in. Again they act like this because there are no consequences to their actions.
Actually assassins can kill anyone out of his job as any other evil character. An assasin in real life can kill someone out of his regular job. Actually in real life there are tons of murderers with different jobs. But they try not to be catched by police, yes the main difference is police and laws, if you make an open pvp you must make npcs that look for murderers, then it will be more fun for the ones that like pvp and safer for the ones that dont like it.
What happens in rl when a jerk insults you? Well, usually if you can you kick his ass, and that is the same in games, at least if you like roleplaying. Roleplaying doesnt mean you can not say certain words that are offensive, with roleplaying you play ANY role and others must roleplay with THEIR role with you. With open pvp if someone insults you then kill him, flee or shut up, but saying a GM someone has insulted you its like a 3 year old kid asking help to the teacher. Many say they love roleplaying and actually would just ban everybody that doesnt behave similar to them if they could, and what is that? a boring world with all very nice ppl, a nice community ppl say, that is crap, i like diversity, jerks, evil and good players, a world of fantasy with all kind of ppl and races. I dont expect a troll saying to me things, like hi, how are you today?. I expect he tells me go away from my way human! at least. I want to find jerks, i want to kill them and enjoy with that, i like epic battles of evil vs good.
Blade with whom i have lived, blade with whom I now die. Serve right and justice one last time. Seek one last heart of evil. Still one last life of pain. Cut well old friend. Then farewell!