"Assuming again. Why do you think that I want to insult you or praise you? I merely state what I understand from reading you."
You said my mastery of English allowed me to appear to remain civil while actually ignoring civility. That was, at best, a backhanded compliment. No assumption needed, just a 'mastery of English'.
"Assumption are underline in the last posts, feel free to consider them."
I already have, and already responded to your assumptions of assumption...
"Well, because 1 person on the internet claims he is a PvE player, I have to change my wording and beliefs? I am sorry, I will still say that nobody in PvE enjoys Game Balancing until I see peoples in RL that are PvE players to actually believe otherwise. Among dozens of friends, none of them enjoys the Game Balancing post-character creation, which are nearly always nerfs, since I never consider bonus to players as "balancing", it is upping them, making them interesting to play, which is good."
You cannot have it both ways. If a change is made to a class post-live that improves its powers and makes it more balanced to the rest of the classes, that is still a balance.
How you refer to things is your business. I merely pointed out that, even after I stated that I like a balanced game, you continue to say that nobody does. Among the dozens of players I know in real life, none of them appreciate an unbalanced game. It has caused several to quit the games they were playing.
"You see what you want, you read what you want. I just keep giving you reasons, explanations and a logic despite what you claims. You answer with a condescendant attitude about my lack of logic, evidence, and so on. Honestly, would you have remains on the keymapping, I would just have stop answering...but by touching Game Balancing, I can keep going on for many, many, many messages."
I am condescending? That is rich, considering you have over and over again desmonstrated that the only opinions that count to you are the ones that agree with you. Frankly, I am surprised you have deigned to speak with me this long. You say you would have stopped arleady if I kept it at keymapping, but that is what is what this threat is supposed to be about. No wonder you complained that I kept bringing it back on topic.
"I still think that your explanation about their motivation is incomplete, thinking they merely try to do a PvE FPS game...incomplete, I don't believe it for 1 moment. First, most FPS are PvP, second they always love PvP, as Game Balancing and Kemapping support it, as the change to IH been not a toggle but a timed power, thereby a LOT stronger in PvP and a LOT weaker in PvE...and soooo many other aspects."
That was their reasoning, whether you believe it or not. It is not incomplete, it is just not to your tastes. Yes, they have made changes to powers for pvp, but you will note that those changes took place after pvp was introduced, not at the beginning of the game. And you are not taking into account that CoH was an attempt to create a mmo/fps hybrid. If failed in that aspect, but it was obvious from beta that was what they were doing, and they admitted as much.
"You are a PvP fan. Your point of view on Game Balancing in a PvE game is automatically PvP oriented, most of my PvP oriented friends enjoy Game Balancing in PvE. You can't detach yourself from who you are, I suppose that the vast majority of players that like Game Balancing in PvE games are also PvP fans, yet I dunno. This make my statement that Game Balancing is ruining PvE all the more strong, as I still have to find any non-PvP fan saying otherwise. You are not looking at the same things in a game that a non-PvP fan would. Just like a westerner like me could not go in Africa and forget that I am a westerner and adapt locally. Been a PvP fan is part of your root. When you talk about PvE, you always have that PvP twist in you."
If I may quote you: ASSUMPTION! I am not a fan of pvp in mmo's. PvP in mmo's is always, ALWAYS, inferior to fps pvp. I play mmo's for pve. When I am in the mood for pvp, I play a fps. You can believe what you will, but I do not pvp in CoX unless I am going for the timed zone badges. Since my main already has all of the timed pvp zone badges, you will rarely see me in a pvp zone.
So, by all means, continue to tell me I am what I am not. It gives me a good laugh.
"Good enought, from a PvP fan point of view, the word offensive prolly doesn't have the same bearing than to a non-PvP fan! These are merely words from your perspective I assume, while from mine, as a PvE fan, and socialiser been my second (far behind) aspect, I see words as slightly more than just words. Nonetheless, you might try to consider this in your further interactions with non-PvP fans. "
Again, more assumption. I find your assumption offensive. And words are, yes, merely words. Actions mean far more to me than words do. I am a doer in real life, not a talker. If you want to talk test scores, I went achiever, explorer, killer, socializer. Achiever and explorer were far above killer, which was far above socializer. I should try to find a link to the test to see how I rate now (it has been a few years), though I doubt the scores will change much.
"Game Balancing, from a PvE achiever point of view, really lack. I never said PvP players and fans would think that way. It is unclear to me if you are more an achiever or a killer, but your killer side is strong indeed! Strong enough to invalidate your point of view on a pure PvE aspect.
Anyway, good night and till next debate!"
My views are invalidated just because of your faulty assumption of who I am? Talk about pathetic. I could easily claim to find your views invalid because of some made up reason, much as you did here. You proclaim me to be a pvp fan, which is sort of true. If you talk fps games, sure. I love fps games. If you talk mmos, I hate pvp in mmos. It never works right. It is not what I play mmos for. I play mmos for pve, not pvp.
But, you have already invalidated my comments and the facts that I have posted on the faulty believe that I love pvp in mmos. So be it. I guess that ends the debate, as there is no point to my posting any more here. You clearly are not considering anything I post now, if you ever truly did before (which I have cause to doubt).
Originally posted by Weijyan "You are a PvP fan. Your point of view on Game Balancing in a PvE game is automatically PvP oriented, most of my PvP oriented friends enjoy Game Balancing in PvE. You can't detach yourself from who you are, I suppose that the vast majority of players that like Game Balancing in PvE games are also PvP fans, yet I dunno. This make my statement that Game Balancing is ruining PvE all the more strong, as I still have to find any non-PvP fan saying otherwise. You are not looking at the same things in a game that a non-PvP fan would. Just like a westerner like me could not go in Africa and forget that I am a westerner and adapt locally. Been a PvP fan is part of your root. When you talk about PvE, you always have that PvP twist in you." If I may quote you: ASSUMPTION! I am not a fan of pvp in mmo's. PvP in mmo's is always, ALWAYS, inferior to fps pvp. I play mmo's for pve. When I am in the mood for pvp, I play a fps. You can believe what you will, but I do not pvp in CoX unless I am going for the timed zone badges. Since my main already has all of the timed pvp zone badges, you will rarely see me in a pvp zone. So, by all means, continue to tell me I am what I am not. It gives me a good laugh.
The fact you PvP or not in the MMO is irrelevant, you are a PvP fan. Exactly like I am a fan of D&D. If we would talk about character developpment, my views are automatically twisted by my D&D side, even I don't play D&D at all in CoH, it doesn't change who I am, what I am. You are a fan of PvP by the games you describe so well. There is nothing wrong with been a PvP fan, however your views are automatically altered by this PvP aspect, even in a PvE setting.
My views are invalidated just because of your faulty assumption of who I am? Talk about pathetic.
Resorting to insults doesn't change the fact that you are a PvP-fan. No amount of PvE playing will ever change that, and there is nothing wrong about this. But your views on PvE are doomed to be corrupted by this PvP love.
Talking about PvE with a PvP fan could be interesting, yet you where constantly been harsh. I am done here with this debate, I wish you a lot of fun in games nonetheless.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
"The fact you PvP or not in the MMO is irrelevant, you are a PvP fan. Exactly like I am a fan of D&D. If we would talk about character developpment, my views are automatically twisted by my D&D side, even I don't play D&D at all in CoH, it doesn't change who I am, what I am. You are a fan of PvP by the games you describe so well. There is nothing wrong with been a PvP fan, however your views are automatically altered by this PvP aspect, even in a PvE setting."
Oh, wait... You mean how I play the game is irrelevant to what I like? Excuse me while I spend time laughing at you for that comment. You see, I am actually able to seperate what different games are good at. Do I enjoy fps games? Yes. But I also enjoy a wide variety of games. PvP is actually such a minute part of what I like to play that your pegging me as a pvp fan is quite frankly, just silly. If you actually had any clue what you were talking about, you would realize just how silly it is, actually. With the exception of getting the timed pvp zone badges on my main, I have not pvp'ed at all in 2 years.
"Resorting to insults doesn't change the fact that you are a PvP-fan. No amount of PvE playing will ever change that, and there is nothing wrong about this. But your views on PvE are doomed to be corrupted by this PvP love."
And continuing to repeat your assumptions do not make them any more true. It just serves to make them more pathetic. You are basing this faulty assumption on the fact that I do not agree with you about game balance and pve. That is pure egotism. But let me see if I can understand where you are coming from on this one.
In order to actually have a revelant view on pve, in your mind, I have to hate pvp? Are you aware of how that makes you sound? I prefer pve to pvp, an no amount of your insisting otherwise will change that. But by all means, continue to insist that you know what you do not. I get a good laugh out of it.
"Talking about PvE with a PvP fan could be interesting, yet you where constantly been harsh. I am done here with this debate, I wish you a lot of fun in games nonetheless."
Great. Talk about pve with a 'pvp fan' some time, but that has nothing to do with me. I wish you luck in your future debates, though. If this one is any indication, you will need plenty of it. Maybe next time, you might actually be able to figure out who it is you are talking to, since you were not even close to the mark this time.
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"Assuming again. Why do you think that I want to insult you or praise you? I merely state what I understand from reading you."
You said my mastery of English allowed me to appear to remain civil while actually ignoring civility. That was, at best, a backhanded compliment. No assumption needed, just a 'mastery of English'.
"Assumption are underline in the last posts, feel free to consider them."
I already have, and already responded to your assumptions of assumption...
"Well, because 1 person on the internet claims he is a PvE player, I have to change my wording and beliefs? I am sorry, I will still say that nobody in PvE enjoys Game Balancing until I see peoples in RL that are PvE players to actually believe otherwise. Among dozens of friends, none of them enjoys the Game Balancing post-character creation, which are nearly always nerfs, since I never consider bonus to players as "balancing", it is upping them, making them interesting to play, which is good."
You cannot have it both ways. If a change is made to a class post-live that improves its powers and makes it more balanced to the rest of the classes, that is still a balance.
How you refer to things is your business. I merely pointed out that, even after I stated that I like a balanced game, you continue to say that nobody does. Among the dozens of players I know in real life, none of them appreciate an unbalanced game. It has caused several to quit the games they were playing.
"You see what you want, you read what you want. I just keep giving you reasons, explanations and a logic despite what you claims. You answer with a condescendant attitude about my lack of logic, evidence, and so on. Honestly, would you have remains on the keymapping, I would just have stop answering...but by touching Game Balancing, I can keep going on for many, many, many messages."
I am condescending? That is rich, considering you have over and over again desmonstrated that the only opinions that count to you are the ones that agree with you. Frankly, I am surprised you have deigned to speak with me this long. You say you would have stopped arleady if I kept it at keymapping, but that is what is what this threat is supposed to be about. No wonder you complained that I kept bringing it back on topic.
"I still think that your explanation about their motivation is incomplete, thinking they merely try to do a PvE FPS game...incomplete, I don't believe it for 1 moment. First, most FPS are PvP, second they always love PvP, as Game Balancing and Kemapping support it, as the change to IH been not a toggle but a timed power, thereby a LOT stronger in PvP and a LOT weaker in PvE...and soooo many other aspects."
That was their reasoning, whether you believe it or not. It is not incomplete, it is just not to your tastes. Yes, they have made changes to powers for pvp, but you will note that those changes took place after pvp was introduced, not at the beginning of the game. And you are not taking into account that CoH was an attempt to create a mmo/fps hybrid. If failed in that aspect, but it was obvious from beta that was what they were doing, and they admitted as much.
"You are a PvP fan. Your point of view on Game Balancing in a PvE game is automatically PvP oriented, most of my PvP oriented friends enjoy Game Balancing in PvE. You can't detach yourself from who you are, I suppose that the vast majority of players that like Game Balancing in PvE games are also PvP fans, yet I dunno. This make my statement that Game Balancing is ruining PvE all the more strong, as I still have to find any non-PvP fan saying otherwise. You are not looking at the same things in a game that a non-PvP fan would. Just like a westerner like me could not go in Africa and forget that I am a westerner and adapt locally. Been a PvP fan is part of your root. When you talk about PvE, you always have that PvP twist in you."
If I may quote you: ASSUMPTION! I am not a fan of pvp in mmo's. PvP in mmo's is always, ALWAYS, inferior to fps pvp. I play mmo's for pve. When I am in the mood for pvp, I play a fps. You can believe what you will, but I do not pvp in CoX unless I am going for the timed zone badges. Since my main already has all of the timed pvp zone badges, you will rarely see me in a pvp zone.
So, by all means, continue to tell me I am what I am not. It gives me a good laugh.
"Good enought, from a PvP fan point of view, the word offensive prolly doesn't have the same bearing than to a non-PvP fan! These are merely words from your perspective I assume, while from mine, as a PvE fan, and socialiser been my second (far behind) aspect, I see words as slightly more than just words. Nonetheless, you might try to consider this in your further interactions with non-PvP fans.
"
Again, more assumption. I find your assumption offensive.
And words are, yes, merely words. Actions mean far more to me than words do. I am a doer in real life, not a talker. If you want to talk test scores, I went achiever, explorer, killer, socializer. Achiever and explorer were far above killer, which was far above socializer. I should try to find a link to the test to see how I rate now (it has been a few years), though I doubt the scores will change much.
"Game Balancing, from a PvE achiever point of view, really lack. I never said PvP players and fans would think that way. It is unclear to me if you are more an achiever or a killer, but your killer side is strong indeed! Strong enough to invalidate your point of view on a pure PvE aspect.
Anyway, good night and till next debate!"
My views are invalidated just because of your faulty assumption of who I am? Talk about pathetic. I could easily claim to find your views invalid because of some made up reason, much as you did here. You proclaim me to be a pvp fan, which is sort of true. If you talk fps games, sure. I love fps games. If you talk mmos, I hate pvp in mmos. It never works right. It is not what I play mmos for. I play mmos for pve, not pvp.
But, you have already invalidated my comments and the facts that I have posted on the faulty believe that I love pvp in mmos. So be it. I guess that ends the debate, as there is no point to my posting any more here. You clearly are not considering anything I post now, if you ever truly did before (which I have cause to doubt).
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- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
"The fact you PvP or not in the MMO is irrelevant, you are a PvP fan. Exactly like I am a fan of D&D. If we would talk about character developpment, my views are automatically twisted by my D&D side, even I don't play D&D at all in CoH, it doesn't change who I am, what I am. You are a fan of PvP by the games you describe so well. There is nothing wrong with been a PvP fan, however your views are automatically altered by this PvP aspect, even in a PvE setting."
Oh, wait... You mean how I play the game is irrelevant to what I like? Excuse me while I spend time laughing at you for that comment. You see, I am actually able to seperate what different games are good at. Do I enjoy fps games? Yes. But I also enjoy a wide variety of games. PvP is actually such a minute part of what I like to play that your pegging me as a pvp fan is quite frankly, just silly. If you actually had any clue what you were talking about, you would realize just how silly it is, actually. With the exception of getting the timed pvp zone badges on my main, I have not pvp'ed at all in 2 years.
"Resorting to insults doesn't change the fact that you are a PvP-fan. No amount of PvE playing will ever change that, and there is nothing wrong about this. But your views on PvE are doomed to be corrupted by this PvP love."
And continuing to repeat your assumptions do not make them any more true. It just serves to make them more pathetic. You are basing this faulty assumption on the fact that I do not agree with you about game balance and pve. That is pure egotism. But let me see if I can understand where you are coming from on this one.
In order to actually have a revelant view on pve, in your mind, I have to hate pvp? Are you aware of how that makes you sound? I prefer pve to pvp, an no amount of your insisting otherwise will change that. But by all means, continue to insist that you know what you do not. I get a good laugh out of it.
"Talking about PvE with a PvP fan could be interesting, yet you where constantly been harsh. I am done here with this debate, I wish you a lot of fun in games nonetheless."
Great. Talk about pve with a 'pvp fan' some time, but that has nothing to do with me. I wish you luck in your future debates, though. If this one is any indication, you will need plenty of it. Maybe next time, you might actually be able to figure out who it is you are talking to, since you were not even close to the mark this time.
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