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gonen94
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i live in israel.
the muslams are ok
but hamas is not!
they are killing people of us because nothing! the people they are killing not do anything to them!! and when we are killing them all of they say"the people you killing not do anything to you" but when they killing people its ok?
i dont know why but all the world aginst israel we want peace
if they will not kill our people
we will not kill they people
(they alll the time shot on shderot AND KILLLING people! thats ok uh!?!?)
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very much agreed, but it's just a conflict that can't be solved.
My support to Israel is total and complete.
They even withdraw from Gaza, give back lands and then the new Gaza government can't even control it own LANDS to stop them from using rockets against the neighboring country. If there would be some dimwits half-assed folks who would throw rockets from Canada to the US, the US wouldn't need to invade us. The door would be wide open so they can help us find the trash and clean it up if we wouldn't be able to solve it in a timely fashion. The fact they have to INVADE some lands to assure security just show you how little seriousness and efforts are done on the other side. It was a good occasion for Gaza to WORK with Israel, to make sure that these trash-criminal get caught. Instead, they put some opposition rather than offer cooperative solutions.
National security is a concern, if Hamas can't control the Gaza area, someone has to. Maybe something can be worked out with the Egyptians or Turks (bringing peace to THAT region would certainly lean heavily in favor of their accession to the Europeen Union, and maybe the white trash that I am would stop seeing Islam as a problem in itself). Rockets can't be allowed to be launched. If Gaza has to be occupied and pacified, it has to be done by a Muslim army for obvious reasons, peace must prevail, even if it has to be enforced.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
OmFG
i dont know why but some people think just israel is killing..
but when they killing us its ok? they can killing us? you want we will let them killing all of us ?! we not killing if they not killing..!(its a repply for hazmats)
I have to voice my support for Israel. While every last little thing they do may not be perfect, what country WOULD be in their situation. Israel is a country that has been beseiged since it's birth. I know it sounds trite, but after 9/11 I can only begin to fathom what the Israelis must have to feel each and every single day of their lives.
If Israel even DOES come across to some people as aggressive all I can say is they are a country that epitomises the saying "desperate times call for desperate measures".
As a Christian, sadly, I think it's only going to get worse till that certain someone comes to sign a 7 year treaty with Israel...and that alone means 3.5 years of worse than anything we've seen so far.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
so they can't kill you, but you can use suicide bombers to blow up restaurants? I do not think that is the way it works.
For people that don't know, The Jewish community has been shunned by the world for more than 2000 years (after the Diaspora), and i believe that they deserve some peace now.
Of course, the palestinians do have a point. Israel did take their land (then again..you can argue that the palestinians took israeli land...) and drove many into exile.
Another point on why i am for Israel, is that many arab countries have rejected the idea of the Holocaust. That is one thing i just find unforgivable. If you reject the Holocaust, then you shouldnt have been born.
OneMuslim, just stop now. Please. Not EVERY Israeli in the country considers EVERY Muslim the enemy. I can introduce you to a good number of Israelis and Muslims here in the U.S. that don't feel that way.
These sort of broad sweeping, all encompassing statements are what perpetuate the hate. Unless you want me to think that ALL Muslims hate ALL Americans like I have heard other say don't say think that ALL Israelis think that ALL Muslims are the enemy.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
then again, you could say the exact same thing for the palestinian side... This conflict is so confusing that i can't ever imagine and end to it...
Nazi?
Siehst du mich
Erkennst du mich
Ganz tief in meinem Herz
ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
Ich sehne mich
nach dem was ich geliebt hab
doch ich find es nicht
Originally posted by BobCrazyton
Originally posted by Meon
If you reject the Holocaust, then you shouldnt have been born.
Nazi?
The people that still support the Nazi's (they sadly enough do exist...) do not reject the holocaust, they believe it was the right thing to do (i already feel sick just writing these words...)
anyway, back on-topic now, ey?
No one kills someone for nothing
This idea is just not supportable.
There have been war in that area forever it's a blood feud coming from history. One side attacks and the other reply in th end the innocents die in both sides.
There were peace just when Ottoman Empire ruled as a super power.
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during the rule of the Ottoman Empire, there were hardly any jews in this region, therefore there couldnt be any religious warfare
...
The last time this region was peaceful would be the time of Solomon and David...and it wasnt even that peaceful at that time either...
It's kind of ironic that Hitler had chosen an ethnicity that was prone to hard work and intellectual pursuits.
Jews have never rioted over anything as insipid as a cartoon (the infamous cartoon in the news), nor have they ever perpetuated mindless hatred for any religions having opposing beliefs (I'm talking about the last 100-200 years.. I'm no historian).
However, some Islamic practices in middle-eastern countries (i.e. Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia) are nothing short of barbaric: Many of the teachings of the Koran have been corrupted by traditions that were developed during the crusades, yet, these people have not yet abandoned them.
A good example would be the intolerance of other faiths: There is no passage in the Koran that prescribes this; in fact toleration is PROMOTED in the Koran. Many Muslims have forgotten the Christian king that had help preserve their religion while their prophet was still alive; proving that between the religions there used to be a tight bond.
It is my personal opinion that the corruption in the religion is due to the political agendas of fanatacists that have inductively propagated themselves into the youths of today in developed countries. The culture that now exists among some younger muslims (not all, but a great deal in some EU countries like Germany, France, GB, etc.) is decadent and has led to a psuedo Jihad:
The Jihad was originally enacted in order to preseve the Islamic religion, but now it has extended to the annihilation of anything that isn't Islamic. It's more a form of nationalism than religion, since it completely defies the very principles that consitute the religion: They share the old testament and interpretations of the new testament with Christianity, which forbid the latter form of conquest.
I think that European countries should no longer permit Muslims to avoid public school and/or should append a course in religion in their curriculum (for students of the Islamic faith) that explains the true nature and origin of Islam using nothing but the Koran.
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The problem with Israel is they punish the whole population for the acts of a few. The Geneva Convention (which the nazis didnt follow) forbids collective punishment. Collective punishment is where you punish a whole race , group etc for the act of someone else. Hamas maybe make up 10% of the population so why are 100% of the palastinians being targeted ? What protections are in place that a missle fired from a mile away wont kill innocent civillians ? What about poeple hungry with no access to aid due to Israel locking the borders , what about hospitals needing electricity for the sick and wounded.
When Israel blew out the power system they affected every man woman and child. When they bomb cars from planes and kill innocent civillian bystanders who might be close by they are in fact no worse than the NAZIs they cry about to this day. The israelies often say "we will investigate" the death of civillians like the palestinian family bombed "by mistake" while enjoying a day on the beach but has noone has ever been charged to date or ever will.
Terrorism is abhorrent because it targets innocent civillians. It doesnt target soldiers , tanks , warplanes etc but usually helpless civillians who cant control the government any more than the rest of us can. So how is it that we can condem when one side kills innoncents and then ignore the other side doing the same. Isreal are masters of collective punishment and seem to have a cheering international community behind them. Cynics would say as long as they treat the palastinians harshly they will allways guarentee the militias will fight back. That will keep the status quo and avoid them having to accept a genuine Palastinian state.
Bring peace and prosperity and hope to the palastinians and the militant groups would fizzle away tommorow. Violence on the other hand begets violence, it always has and always will.
One classic collective punishment example I read on news forum (might of been BBC) was one palastinian who was interviewed who said him and his brother had spent a long time making a small strawberry farm to try and earn a living only to get it bulldozed over by the Israelis - crushed someones livelihood. Theres two side to the story , pity its only one that seems to be conveyed by the western media.
so they can't kill you, but you can use suicide bombers to blow up restaurants? I do not think that is the way it works.
For people that don't know, The Jewish community has been shunned by the world for more than 2000 years (after the Diaspora), and i believe that they deserve some peace now.
Of course, the palestinians do have a point. Israel did take their land (then again..you can argue that the palestinians took israeli land...) and drove many into exile.
Another point on why i am for Israel, is that many arab countries have rejected the idea of the Holocaust. That is one thing i just find unforgivable. If you reject the Holocaust, then you shouldnt have been born.
yes.. the Holocaust.. the germens killed 6000000 of us!! guys can you understand that number!?!??! 6milons people!!!! and ufter the Holocaust we came to Our land and guys.. we WANT PEACE we want to live with the arabic togther in israel.. the problem is,, they dont want to live with us.. they want to control all israel..they want to kill us! they all the time killing people that not do ANYTHING to them!!!!!!! and after we killing(they leaders)they are say to all the world"look the killing us!!"(but when they killing and they killing very much people its ok for them)
Agreed one hundred percent, I understand the Israeli's need security but its the way they go about doing it thats entirely counter productive.
Collective punishment is a war crime. To put it in terms more americans understand. Imagine if there were a shooting in your neighborhood. The police react by arresting every male between such and such age or a specific ethnic origin. Bomb and destroy your infrastructure, police, fire, emergency services, civil services, etc.
Your to scared to even go out. You just had the building where your job was at blown up, you have no electricity or water "and wont" for the forseeable future. Not only do you not have a job anymore, but you couldnt even find an open super market anymore.
So for a few bad apples, hundreds of thousands are suddenly thrown back into the stone age. Wouldnt that make you angry, you werent involved initially but now, its personal. Now times that by a thousand times over 40 years. Its no wonder the middle east is a mess.
Agreed one hundred percent, I understand the Israeli's need security but its the way they go about doing it thats entirely counter productive.
Collective punishment is a war crime. To put it in terms more americans understand. Imagine if there were a shooting in your neighborhood. The police react by arresting every male between such and such age or a specific ethnic origin. Bomb and destroy your infrastructure, police, fire, emergency services, civil services, etc.
Your to scared to even go out. You just had the building where your job was at blown up, you have no electricity or water "and wont" for the forseeable future. Not only do you not have a job anymore, but you couldnt even find an open super market anymore.
So for a few bad apples, hundreds of thousands are suddenly thrown back into the stone age. Wouldnt that make you angry, you werent involved initially but now, its personal. Now times that by a thousand times over 40 years. Its no wonder the middle east is a mess.
thats whats happen is shedrot!!!!!!!! every secend the terorists can shot on you kasam....!!! can just walk in the street and die...!!! all the world think just the arabics are poor.. but we are very poor too!!!!!!!!!!
all the people in shderot all the time in the hoom... becuase they are scard to come out!! so not only the arabics poor.
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
so.. what do you we do? if we not attak them they just kil kill kill kill kill kill and kill!and we cant just kill the the terroriests because the terroriests are living with the arabics!!!!!!!!!! and when we kill terroriests we must kill arabics too becuase the terroriets are LIVING WITH THE ARABICS and when we kill terroriests+arabics all the world say"he why you kill arabics"
so what do you we do? let them kill us?
so.. what do you we do? if we not attak them they just kil kill kill kill kill kill and kill!and we cant just kill the the terroriests because the terroriests are living with the arabics!!!!!!!!!! and when we kill terroriests we must kill arabics too becuase the terroriets are LIVING WITH THE ARABICS and when we kill terroriests+arabics all the world say"he why you kill arabics"
so what do you we do? let them kill us?