Another game where rich people pwn?

grimboj · July 2006

Ive played Second Life, Project Scamtropia and There and im a bit disturbed to see their business model leeking into real mmorpgs? Some people enjoy not being rich in real life and being rich in the game. I think this business model may cost them a few members

Nerf09 · July 2006

I don't think you have to be rich to be an e-baying loser.

Wether the gaming company sanctions e-baying, or the gaming company can't do anytyhing about e-baying, or if the gaming company IS the e-bay, the losers will always find a way to be losers. The cheaters cheat. There are plenty of lower-middle class losers, middle-middle class losers, and upper-middle class e-baying losers in every game, the losers arent necissarilly rich. But, I have good news, I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Christianity.

Let me guess, you are a Democrat, that class-envy thing is a dead giveaway. If you stay a Democrat you will forever remain ignorant.

grimboj · July 2006

Originally posted by Nerf09

Let me guess, you are a Democrat, that class-envy thing is a dead giveaway. If you stay a Democrat you will forever remain ignorant.

Whatever agenda you were trying to push, I think you selected completely the wrong scenario to push it on buddy. Unfortunately for you Im not even american.

Anywho, I dont think you quite understand how much money people will pump into a game when they have absolutely no guilt or risk of being persecuted for it. Welcome to hyperinflation that forces out people who dont want to put money in.

herminyon · July 2006

In an ideal world people wouldn't be able to pay real life cash for ingame advantages. Unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world and I haven't seen any succesfull mmorpg games that have found a good solution to completely eliminating this problem. I have had first hand experience with many games of being severely disadvantaged against people who buy ingame currency or buying second accounts. For all intents and purposes these people are playing Project Eutropia or There or what not (although developpers won't be able to benefit from this and be able to reinvest into game development.

The difference I see here is that the company has come up with a design that gives them direct control over inflation and the exchange rate between real life currency and ingame currency. For example, if the in game currency becomes very prevalent and you have inflation, you can increase the amount of ingame currency new players start with and modify the exchange rate between real life dollars and ingame currency. Nobody can make money ingame as fast and efficiently as the developpers.

Another thing to keep in mind is that people won't just sit on their money and you need to rely on other people in this game to make and do things because it is designed so one person can't do everything. So you are basically paying other people to do aspects of the game you are not interested in doing or just don't have time too and others benefit from this

I think it is an interesting experiment and am anxious to see how it actually works out.

Edit: spelling. Bah wrote rpg instead of mmorpg lol

hercules · July 2006

Actually there been games which relies on you spending ingame money and its even free download.Similarly it is near impossible to achieve much without buying ingame money in this game unless you play 24/7.As mentioned by OP.

So there have been and are such ingame money for real cash which is the bread and butter of the developers.

http://www.entropiauniverse.com/en/rich/5000.html

This is an actually descent game with ok graphics but i tried it and was almost impossible to do much without real cash .But otherwise it was okish.

other one is

http://secondlife.com/

Not tried this one but it claims to have over 10k on at prime time and over 300k accounts(mind you most are probably just hanging accounts) with 200k $ spent in one day real US $.

So tbh maybe this is the future of mmorph sadly.If it proves to be very profitable .I think quite a few RV fanboys are under the illusion that they will make do without real cash in this game.

But one thing about this type of games is that those dedicated to them tend to spend way more then $15 a month because its their primary game and the mentality is to be top dog or near that like you would in a normal mmorpg .But here in RV you will spend loads of real $ to achieve it.Its quite easy to progress from saying "oh nm its only 10$ a month" to saying "oh nm its only $100 a month for my entertainment".

Not saying this will certainly happen in RV but it has the right mix for this to occur.

Salvatoris · July 2006

Originally posted by Nerf09

I don't think you have to be rich to be an e-baying loser.
Wether the gaming company sanctions e-baying, or the gaming company can't do anytyhing about e-baying, or if the gaming company IS the e-bay, the losers will always find a way to be losers. The cheaters cheat. There are plenty of lower-middle class losers, middle-middle class losers, and upper-middle class e-baying losers in every game, the losers arent necissarilly rich. But, I have good news, I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Christianity.
Let me guess, you are a Democrat, that class-envy thing is a dead giveaway. If you stay a Democrat you will forever remain ignorant.

I want to respond to this.. But first i need to know how severe your learning disabilities are. I mean... are crazy, stupid or just really deluded?

What exactly does your post have top do with the original topic? It might apply somehow, by some stretch of the imagination... but it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Oh.. wait, are you a child? if so, I apologize for calling you a retard.. otherwise.. I'll just stand by it. To be clear, While I find your political views to be completely moronic, my actual issue is with you throwing them unprovoked in to this discussion. You should also understand that if you are basing political affiliation on finances and accumulated wealth, unless you are a millionaire... you are a democrat

back on topic. I don't think RV will have a big enough playerbase for the VERM system to be successful. i think that their attempts to correct the system, in order to generate revenue, will undermine the proposed safeguards to the abuse of the system. They will have to find some way to compel you to buy currency, otherwise they can't keep the servers on line. The only way i can see to do that is to make it almost a necesity... which ends up being the more you spend, the more effective you are in game. I really don't think that benefits anyone. I also believe that they would just go with a monthly payment plan if they didn't believe they would make more money with the VERM system.

tetsul · July 2006

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Oh.. wait, are you a child? if so, I apologize for calling you a retard.. otherwise.. I'll just stand by it. To be clear, While I find your political views to be completely moronic, my actual issue is with you throwing them unprovoked in to this discussion. You should also understand that if you are basing political affiliation on finances and accumulated wealth, unless you are a millionaire... you are a democrat

That sounds like liberal talk to me..... just screwing with you.

hercules · July 2006

Be intresting to see how it turns out .Considering i see quite a few under the impression they will make it without buying money ,i wonder if this does not turn out like they wish ,will they stay?

I myself from what i played doubt anyone but the extreme hardcore(and doubt they can too) will survive on not buying game money.

But unlike project entropia that the fanbase seems to be well aware the need to spend real cash ,looking at RV community there seems to be a feeling that they will get by without it for some reason.

Lets see how it turns out.

Salvatoris · July 2006

Originally posted by tetsul

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Oh.. wait, are you a child? if so, I apologize for calling you a retard.. otherwise.. I'll just stand by it. To be clear, While I find your political views to be completely moronic, my actual issue is with you throwing them unprovoked in to this discussion. You should also understand that if you are basing political affiliation on finances and accumulated wealth, unless you are a millionaire... you are a democrat

That sounds like liberal talk to me..... just screwing with you.

I'll admit to liberal leaning... so much so that I'm an atheist and a borderline socialist... but I don't come to these forums to discuss politics. I generally prefer to have those conversations only with adults which I am comfortable with. I don't even post in the general discussion areas of this forum, specfically to avoid political or religious discussions.. I just wanna talk about video games. It's the only way I can maintain to remain a civil discourse. If this guy insists on turning legitimate game discussion in to philosophical, political debate... I'll probably get banned for flaming.... at least I know my limitations

nexus42 · July 2006

I voted for Kerry, and my wife and I donate to the ASPCA and PETA. I own all of Al Franklin's books. I'm not sure what this has to do with MMORPGs, but far be it from me not to run with the crowd.

As for the original topic, I would respond thusly:

1) MMORPGs, as they currently stand, have two great, I would say universal, flaws: You either have to dedicate lots of time to your game of choice OR rely on outside resources (IGE, et. al.) to give yourself a competive edge and 'keep up with the Jones's'.

2) As a working adult with two children, I do not have the time I would like to have to dedicate to my hobby of choice.

3) This being the case, I therefore welcome an alternative method to stay competitive. I don't mind dropping $20/month on a game, if it is going to reward me with quality time. By quality time, I use what I call 'The Movie Measure': If a movie is two hours long and costs me $20 to take the wife to, am I getting the same amount, if not greater, amount of enjoyment from a game that I would from a good movie? If so, it's a good deal.

siredmond · July 2006

Well as the game stands, Even if you put 20 bucks a month is, you would still be at a character skill disadvantage, but thats because they spend hours training, but you would not have the equipment disadvantage. However there are no uber weapons like, Mighty Lognsword of Exorsist that cost 99999 ses. There are however diffrent types of swords and sword variations, sure some maybe better to use, but it could also be personal prefrence.

treysmooth · July 2006

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hercules · July 2006

Originally posted by treysmooth
    While I don't agree with Mr. Right wings if you don't agree with me your a left wing nut, a few things to consider. One post said that if your not a millionaire then your a democrat, not true, I make less than 30k a year and though I don't consider myself a republican(nor a democrat) I will say this, socialism/communism is a pipe dream and at the core of the democratic party thats what the left wingers want, a centralization of money through higher taxes, social programs for all, universal health care etc...

    I want nothing to do the socialist/communist ideal even if I may have to work my ass off to get where I want to be in life, for one simple reason, every socialist government has failed or will fail, socialism is for people who want the government to make all the choices for them, my proof, who pays for the additional programs? not the lower class, the upper and middle class do. Specifically the middle class gets slammed the more social programs the more the government takes from you to pay for the programs, its that simple. When the government is in charge of funds they waste so much money which is poor for the economy in general.

    I say privatization is the way to go in most areas of life as it provides competition which in turn forces those involved to make the venture profitiable and streamlined or lose out to someone who does. I may never be rich but I will continue to pursue the American dream, I'm self employed and work very heavy hours but at least I'm in charge of the money I make, and with the right choices maybe I can be in the upperclass, there is nothing wrong with wanting this for yourself.

    My point, just because your not democrat doesn't make you a right wing extremist, I just feel everyone should be responsible for themselves and if someone needs a helping hand thats fine within reason. Don't fall for the far lefts attacks on moderates and conservatives saying that we want to keep the lower class down, no matter the system the lower class pays little to no taxes regardless of the system in place, thats simple economics. The people making the most will always pay a lion share of the taxes and in turn pay for the social programs, but the idea of having to pay for more and more programs personally makes me angry. I EARNED what I have, why should I give it to the government so they can give to those unwilling to do for themselves. People within a socialist system become complacent because they have no reason to strive for anything further than what the government hands them, reason being the government is taking a majority of your income and competition is next to nil.

Flame me as you will but the fact is I would prefer the ideal of I make my own choices and have a chance of big success over I make alot of money and the government takes 70 percent or more because the social programs require that of anyone who might wish to push themselves ahead of others through hard work and dedication.
Those looking for a free ride should simply move to one of the many struggling socialist countries of the world if thats your choice, but don't try to turn a great country into another one of those places.

Just my two cents.....

Take it to off topic forum please.This is a game forum.

look under general discussion to find off topic forum .

shae · July 2006

As per the original topic:

The issue of purchasing in game money for real world cash is the single reason I will not consider playing this game on release.

I fully admit this is a failing on my part, I have a hard time seeing the pleasure in not being outplayed by someone but being out-purchased, it bothers me to know that I may not be able to play well with friends because I'm not willing to spend $40.00 (arbitrary amount here) a month on an online game. It dissheartens me that an in game economy will be run by the "havs" and the "have nots" will be less valued members of the game and in turn, the community.

But again, those are my failings. They are failings because they are assumptions, I've been playing MMO's for awhile now and always under the standard of paying your $12.95 or $14.95 a month and your on level playing ground. Certainly, that's not often the case though, just look at the booming gold seller markets for games like WoW, EQ2 and the like, that's not fair by any stretch of the imagination and in my oppinion those developers really need to be doing something to take care of the problem, but that's an entirely different topic.

Knowing that most of my apprehention comes from a lack of understanding and faith, I'm at least going to try to keep an open mind about it though. I hope that RV's development company is honest enough to not make this a money sink and I hope that we (the gaming community) see a new business model evolve that truly works in a controled environment.

I have my doubts and my dissapointments, the sandbox'ish feeling to RV greatly appeals to me and I would have loved to make myself a part of the game but I'll keep my eye out on the games progression and pay attention to the community happenings. Hopefully in the end, it works out for everyone.

Entreri28 · July 2006

I am sorry but, you are all terribly mistaken. There are many of the people in beta have achieved a lot without buying sesterces. Most of them more successful. The only time you really need to buy money is possibly in the start or if you play very casually( 2 hour or less a week).

You really need to play this game before you make any kind of discussion. The barbs in this game have progressed quite a bit more and they didn't even have a lot of the merchants that the Romans had.

I think that the VERM system will fail because far too few people will need to buy sesterces. I was in beta from late June of last year so I know what I am talking about. This is a game based a lot on cooperation. If you don't want to join a guild or group then yeah you might have to buy sesterces or work really hard to keep up. Even then you will be nowhere near the highly organized groups that I have no doubt will be building cities in a month if they havn't started already. You may have to look to other players when starting out but, there are lots and lots of helpful players. That is the main reason the pre orders got in 2 weeks early is so they can be somewhat established to help out the new players.

I am not playing for a few months because I have issues with the combat system. It is a great game though.

GrimSkunk2 · July 2006

Originally posted by grimboj
Ive played Second Life

That's as far as I could make it before I started laughing out loud.

Nerf09 · July 2006

Originally posted by Salvatoris

I'll admit to liberal leaning... nooooo so much so that I'm an atheist no way jose and a borderline socialist... noooooo

Nerf09 · July 2006

Originally posted by nexus42

I voted for Kerry, and my wife and I donate to the ASPCA and PETA. I own all of Al Franklin's books. I'm not sure what this has to do with MMORPGs, Title of the thread: Another game where rich people pwn? Im just here to set the record straight, BLIND DEMOCRAT LIBERALS, that it isn't just rich people who cheat, class envy blind'or'onoos.

As for the original topic, I would respond thusly:
1) MMORPGs, as they currently stand, have two great, I would say universal, flaws: You either have to dedicate lots of time to your game of choice OR rely on outside resources (IGE, et. al.) to give yourself a competive edge and 'keep up with the Jones's'.
2) As a working adult with two children, I do not have the time I would like to have to dedicate to my hobby of choice.
3) This being the case, I therefore welcome an alternative method to stay competitive. I don't mind dropping $20/month on a game, if it is going to reward me with quality time. By quality time, I use what I call 'The Movie Measure': If a movie is two hours long and costs me $20 to take the wife to, am I getting the same amount, if not greater, amount of enjoyment from a game that I would from a good movie? If so, it's a good deal.
LOL! I rest my case.
Limosine Liberals.

Cheaters come in all shapes, sizes, income classes, and political affiliations, Democrat class envy person.

nexus42 · July 2006

...

Yeah, I guess you showed me.

Aetius73 · July 2006

Last time I saw Grimboj post something he was trying to start a troll/flame war in the Eve forum guess he succeded here.

Bennjim · July 2006

Sounds like a hired gun going after the indies, perhaps he gets paid in gold.

I've played throughout the last 6-months of the test and spend $35 in total, I've had excellent value. I like the VERM system, I think it's fair and I totally disagree that real life rich people pwn regular players as it's simply not true.

Benny...................................................

elitwebb · July 2006

I figure that you really can't lose here. Buy the game, you don't like it, don't pay a monthly and see where the game goes, perhaps in time you will like it enough to pay some each month. Even if you are paying $10 a month, that is still a great deal compaired to WoW, EQ2, etc.

myrrdinirl · July 2006

Sigh, i'm tired of you morons that try to apply politics to EVERYTHING, including MMO's.

gb2cnn

elitwebb · July 2006

Originally posted by myrrdinirl

Sigh, i'm tired of you morons that try to apply politics to EVERYTHING, including MMO's.
gb2cnn

Huh?

myrrdinirl · July 2006

Originally posted by elitwebb

Originally posted by myrrdinirl

Sigh, i'm tired of you morons that try to apply politics to EVERYTHING, including MMO's.
gb2cnn

Huh?

Did you read the thread?

grimboj · July 2006

Originally posted by Aetius73
Last time I saw Grimboj post something he was trying to start a troll/flame war in the Eve forum guess he succeded here.

Id like to thank my fans, without which this would not possible. Id like to thank the good people at mmorpg.com for hosting my posts....

Eve is a really bad game in many many ways and Im totally sick of fanbois recommending it as fun. Same with this game - every post in general chat replies with 'roma victor' 'eq2' or 'eve'.

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