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Silithus: Confirmed Dune ripoff
This is a description from the Test Realm of the actual Silithus PvP stuff:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=9106695&p=1&tmp=1#post9106695
They actually have sandworms spawn when you harvest the "dust". Man they completely ripped off Dune. I dunno why this pisses me off more than the Warhammer ripoff. I guess I will give anyone a certain amount of borrowing before goign to far. But this is blatant and not even funny or humorous bleh. And its Dune, please just leave Dune alone, Blizzard. You wanna ripoff some fantasy stuff that is all derivative of various folklore traditions anway, fine, but get your grubby hands off of Dune.
The buff just gives you better rep grinding. That is awful. PvP so that you can farm reputation, something almost no one likes and is completely pve oriented. Gah I knew it was bad, but this is sickening.
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I'm not going to even argue that point. Its well settled history that Warcraft I was orignally meant to be a Warhammer RTS, Blizzard even tried to get a license from Games Workshop. Games Workshop made a bad move and didn't agree to it. And more to the point I never let it bother me much, so whatever.
Was that "burrows" a bad pun? If so, Bravo!
I'm not surprised; WoW has a number of references to movies (or books) in the game, such as the 'spooky kids' next to Crystal Lake in Goldshire.
Ico
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Characters
Dran Droffers and Malton Droffers
They resemble Fred Sanford and his son Lamont (as much as a couple of
orcs can, anyway), and Dran Droffers talks and acts like Fred Sanford,
who ran a junk dealership similar to his. Finally, "Dran Droffers" is
an anagram of "Fred Sanford" and "Malton" of "Lamont".
Hin Denburg
Patrick Garrett
Doctor Herbert Halsey
and Dr. Halsey, in the pulp horror novel The Reanimator by H. P.
Lovecraft. In the book Herbert West creates an alchemical substance
that can reanimate dead tissue.
Jack and Tyler
Oglethorpe Obnoticus
Thunderaan
Topper McNabb
Bloodlord Mandokir
sometimes says "Ding!" (and occasionally receives a reply of "Grats!"
from Jin'do) when he "levels up" while you're fighting him. This
exchange is of course familiar to anyone who's ever been in a guild.
Maws
Ossirian the Unscarred
Nat Pagle
Hemet Nesingwary
Colonel Kurzen
Tech Bot
says things the support department would say. It also spawns a critter
named "Dupe Bug", a reference to a Diablo II bug. Some of his other
spells include "Battlenet" (a snare) and "Lag" (a slowing effect)
Clarice Foster
Larion and Muigin
Linken
He's clearly a reference to Link from the Legend of Zelda games. As
quest rewards, he gives you a boomerang plus the option for a sword,
both signature weapons from the game.
A-Me 01
a robotic gorilla, is named after the gorilla (Amy) from the book Congo
by Michael Crichton. A quest featuring the very same robotic gorilla is
named after a Kevin Smith movie, Chasing Amy by Mirimax Films.
Williden and Hol'anyee Marshall
Their television counterparts would be; Holly Marshall, Rick Marshall
and Will Marshall, main characters from the TV show, "Land of the
Lost."
Spraggle Frock
Sprock, Scooty and Jhordy Lapforge
Finkle Einhorn
Torta and Tooga
Tortuga is also the name of a Pirate haven in
the Carribean during the mid 17th to the late 17th century. Popularised
in the movie "Pirates of the Carribean; The Curse of the Black Pearl".
A reference to make light of the proximity to the pirates of the Coast
south of Torta.
Algernon
Tomas <Cook>
Stephen Ryback and Erika Tate
Thor
Auctioneers
Bankers
have names which reference William Shakespeare. They share the last
name Montague, a reference to Romeo and Juliet, it being the first
title character's last name. William is a direct reference to the author. Ophelia is a reference to the female characters from Hamlet. Mortimer is a reference to Lady Mortimer from Henry IV.
Winstone Wolfe
This is a reference to the movie 'Pulp Fiction', which has a character
named Winston Wolf, who is a well dressed, fierce-looking character
with some roguish tendencies.
Gammerita
Franklin Lloyd
Lieutenant General Andorov
says "Remember, Rajaxx, when I said I'd kill you last? I lied..." This
is a reference to a line from the Arnold Schwartzenegger movie Commando.
Quests
So many quest titles are in-jokes or references of some form or another that they require their own sub-category!
Welcome to the Jungle
Chasing A-ME 01
All Along the Watchtowers
The Scrimshank Redemption
When Smokey Sings, I Get Violent
Houses of the Holy
Cure for Harpies
Staghelm's Requiem
and "...return to me with their mojo. To reiterate: I want you to steal
their mojo." In the second Austin Powers movie, Dr. Evil stole Austin's
mojo.
Gnome Improvement
A quest in Gnomeregan
has the name Gnome Improvement which might be a refrence towards the
popluar mid90's show called Home Improvement featuring Tim Allen and
more.
Top Gun
Alterac Valley Wing Commander names Guse,
Jeztor, Mulverick, Slidore, Vipore and Ichman are references to Top
Gun- movie character names Goose, Jester, Maverick, Slider, Viper, and
Iceman
Everything Counts in Large Amounts
A quest located in the Blasted Lands is a line of the chorus in the Depeche Mode song "Everything Counts".
Locations
A Tailor to Cities
Crystal Lake
there is a lake named "Crystal Lake", with an NPC named Jason nearby.
This is a reference to the popular horror movie series "Friday the
13th"
Un'Goro Crater
The entire zone is filled with dinosaurs. Crystals and special Pylons
can be found throughout the zone, another feature of the tv show.
Items
Angelista's items
section of the WoW credits, and is most likely a friend or relative of
a Blizzard staff member. She's had 3 items named after her: Angelista's Charm, Angelista's Grasp, and Angelista's Touch.
The 1 Ring
Empty Barrel
Linken's Sword and Boomerang
In the 'Legend of Zelda' games, it was common to take a weak or
powerless sword and to travel all over the world in a quest to restore
its power in order to defeat some evil power. The name is a reversal of
the common name for Link's sword, "The Master Sword."
The Emperor's New Cape
The final boss of Blackrock Depths is named
Emperor Dagran Thaurissan and drops a cape called "The Emperor's New
Cape" that up untill 1.9 didnt have any graphics which is a refrence to
the story called "The Emperor's New Clothes" by H.C Andersen where a
greedy and more or less stupid emperor gets a new outfit that only the
noble and worthy people can see, or at least he is told. He doesn't
want to make himself to look ignoble or unworthy, so he pretends that
he can see the clothes. The next day on a parade he walks in his new
threads. A child notices that he is naked and points that out. In the
end, he realizes that the clothes that only worthy people could see are
in fact no clothes at all. http://www.thottbot.com/?i=4899
The Light And How To Swing It
The Paladin book for the Dire Maul class trinket is named The Light and How to Swing It. A 1994 album by lounge singer Tom Jones is titled The Lead And How To Swing It.
Silly
Gnome Male
if you are playing as a male gnome sometimes makes your character say
"I like large posteriors and I cannot prevaricate." This verbosely
paraphrases the opening line of one hit wonder Sir Mix-a-lot's single
hit, Baby Got Back: "I like big butts and I cannot lie."
Human Male
results in the following statement: "So, I have this idea for a great
movie. It's about two gnomes who find a bracelet of power, and they
have to take it to the Burning Steppes and cast it into the Cauldron.
They form the Brotherhood of the Bracelet. Along the way they're
trailed by a murloc named Gottum, who's obsessed with the bracelet, and
nine bracelet boogeymen. It could be a three parter, called 'Ruler of
the Bracelet'. The first part would be called 'The Brotherhood of the
Bracelet', followed by 'A Couple of Towers', with a climactic ending
called 'Hey, the King's Back!'"
in which Skinner says "Now I...I finally have time to do what I've
always wanted: write the great American novel. Mine is about a
futuristic amusement park where dinosaurs are brought to life through
advanced cloning techniques. I call it "Billy and the Cloneasaurus."
Orc Male
Tauren Female
Troll Male
about killing two dwarves similar to Smoke Two Joints by The Toyes.
Having a troll paraphrase a reggae song is in keeping with their
similarity to Jamaicans (or at least stereotypes of them). [This supposedly has been removed by a recent patch due to Copyright infringement]
Games and Movies
Ghostbusters
three mages sitting in a circle having an extended conversation.
Eventually one of them will say “wouldn’t that be bad, like crossing
the streams bad?”, a reference to the movie "Ghost Busters".
Restless Souls that starts in Eastern Plaguelands. "Use Egan's Blaster
on the ghostly and spectral citizens of Stratholme. When the restless
spirits break free from their ghostly shells, use the blaster again -
freedom will be theirs!"
that his job "definitely isn't worth another five thou-a year!" In the
movie "Ghostbusters", Winston Zeddmore (Ernie Hudson) says the same
thing when his team votes for almost certain death to save the world
(while fighing the undead, as it were.)
Nintendo Games
common theme is powering up the sword of the main character, Link.
'Legend of Zelda' game. One of the early bosses is a triceratops who is
weak against bombs. The old man who gives you hints on how to progress
says, "Dodongo dislikes fire."
characters Mario and Luigi. They are both dressed in overalls of color
similar to how Mario and Luigi are dressed in the 'Super Mario
Brothers' games.
Krull
At Onyxia's Lair, in the first lava pool you come to on the right side, you can find a floating star shaped glaive and next to it a charred skeleton. A reference to the 80's scifi-fantasy movie Krull in which the powerful glaive weapon was found in a flowing river of lava in a dragon's cave.
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai
In The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai
(1984), scientists develop a way for a rocket car to pass through solid
matter (a mountain). In Thousand Needles not far from the raceway, near
the path to Tanaris, you can see skid marks that lead into the side of
the mountain. In Tanaris, on the opposite side of the mountain just
west of Gadgetzan, the skid marks continue and lead to the crashed
wreckage of a rocket car. In the movie, this scene took place on salt
flats exactly like Shimmering Flats.
Austin Powers
There is a cat criter in the new Naxxramas instance named Mr. Bigglesworth.
Old School
During the Horde quest to get 300 First Aid one
of the dying soldiers refers to seeing "Blue" which is similar to a
Will Ferrell line from the movie.
Information curtesy of: Wowwiki
Nice Afrit, thanks! ^_^
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Well, I don't know... I mean, I'm as big a fan of Dune as there gets but I mean really??? Is it that big a deal?
So there's a worm, and sand, I've seen much heavier rip off's of Dune in other games.
Take Saga Of Ryzom, I think it's the Fryos Race, their home land look just like Dune, the culture, the people themselves are exactly like Freemen, even the music is basically pulled right out of the mini series. And yes, there's even worms and spice.
I would honestly be more upset about the actual PvP aspect of it all, that is one lame ass set up they got going. But as far as it being a Dune rip-off, meh, whatever, maybe in a very minimal way.
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Those are all fine, because they are jokes and pop culture references. Little easter eggs thrown in for fun with nothing else of substance behind them. This isn't. This is actual content and activites based around the ideas and art of Frank Herbert. I don't have problem that they made some item called to Gom Jabbar, although the picture is a box and not a needle but whatever. That is fine. But they are trying to make significant parts of an entire zone into Arrakkis or something. This isn't some inside cool/funny reference, its a ripoff.
That's your interpretation of the news, which you're entitled to. Personally, I think you're taking it a little too seriously.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
As to the actual minigame itself, yes it is possibly the worst pvp design I have ever seen or heard of. In fact its worse than I was expecting and I was expecting it to be bad. The basic carrier design is an ok game, but almost every single detail screams out "I have no clue what the point of this is". However I already have low expectations for Blizzard and PvP and I don't play the game anymore.
For some reason this just pisses me off. I even used to play a Dune LP MUD which certainly didn't license Dune. But that was completely free and at least purely dune based. This is a crappy mishmash of stuff with a blatant ripoff of a core and fundamental Dune concept by a company making 100s of millions.
Once you see that the worm drops spice, there is no going back. The worm is the spice and all that. Now we just need some frigging sand trout. It might be alright if it was funny, but its not, its just a horribly bad hack. If it was at least decent quality I might be uneasy and dislike, but this is a travesty they perpetrated on a landmark sci-fi novel that they didn't need to drag into this crap. They couldn't leave well enough alone. Maybe Fonzie can come in and jump his waterskis over a sandwormlawl.
Male Tauren Dance
Originally, the Male Tauren use to the peanut butter and jelly dance, but after a series of complaints from Tauren player, they redid the dance. Now their dance is a cross between James Brown and Peanut Butter/Jelly.
Male Orc Jokes
It's been a while, but I do believe if you type in the "silly" command a few times the Male orcs will eventually say "Orc smash!" Which is a referrence to Marvel's Comics the Incredible Hulk.
Other Dances
Male Orcs Dance like MC Hammer, Female Humans do Margarite, Male humans will John Travolta's dance from Saturday Night Fever, I think the Male Gnome dance may from Austin Powers and Male Night Elves dance like Michael Jackson. The other dances are common dances.
Ghostbusters
- I'm not sure if this was mention yet, but there is quest in Undercity where you have to fight 3 ghost and suck them into a trap box, which works similar to the trap in ghostbusters.
- There is a river of slime in Undercity, which is similar to the one in Ghostbuster 2.
- I believe there is fight that breaks out at a bar in Stormcity where a NPC traps a ghost in the same box mention earlier.
Wetlands
I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but I believe there is a referrence to Conan if you go down into a temple located to far top left from the middle of the road that leads into Altrec, you find a skeleton dwarven sitting on a throne the same way Conan did in the movie.
Kharanos
There is guy who says "This is my broomstick" which is phrase paying homeage tp Ash from the movie "Evil Dead."
Loch
The huge lake is a referrence to the lochness monster. In fact the lake is filled with sea creature who resemeble Nessie.
- Congo, there is an area where the Dwarven archeologist are trying to explore, but can't because of troggs, which is similar to plot of Congo where the rescue crew was attacked by aggressive gorillas.
Historical Figure
- Is it me or does Jania's Proudmoore's father resemble Coloniel Custer in his personality?
Voices
- Is it me or does the leader of the Brotherhood sound a lot like the guy who plays Spike Spigel from Cowboy Bebop and Wolverine from the X-Men game.
Places
I've forgotten the name of the area, but the area which the crossroad exist is VERY similar to Africa.
Do yourself a favor and stick only to Warhammer Fantasy, you'll probably have a heart attack if you ever read much of the 40k backstory, especially the rogue trader stuff. Navigators, a prescient emperor losing control of his jihad, the imperial palace, and a host of other things in 40k are Dune 'ripoffs'.
While warhammer did not create orc Warcarft did copy the Warhammer orc. In Fantasy settings b4 warhammer (LoTR, D&D etc) orcs were predominantly grey in color. To my recollection Warhammer is the first series whose orcs are predominantly green. If warcraft orcs the were a different color I doubt as many ppl would say warcraft ripped of warhammer.
Ok my comp won't let me post the quote AND my response so...quote afrit's list of the stuff and....
Forgot the matrix reference where you ask an IF gaurd where the alchemist shop is. He'll say "Why oh why didn't I take the blue potion?"
And orc males dance like MC hammer.
Wow, double post
Triple post
Quadrupal post! Wow my computer really f'd up there.
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Orcs,, worms.. and other mythical creatures can be attrributed to Tolien.. alot of of current forms of media have roots in other literature.
go read the wheel of time..then read dune.... and then add star wars galaxiews to the mix... tattione and luke as the iterrent messiah char..
whats my point get the hell over it. wow did it and so did a thousand other media outlets..
i could sit here and point out numerous areas in media that stemmed from other works .. damn even dune is a rip off of some classical literature
u figure that one out.. and i hated dune.. made me bored as hell wit the been there doen that feel..
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ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
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SHAI-HULUD
Sandworm of Arrakis, the 'Old Man of the Desert','Old Father Eternity'
and 'Grandfather of the Desert.' Significantly, this name, when
referred to in a certain tone or written with capital letters,
designates the earth deity of Fremen hearth superstitions. Sandworms
grow to enormous size (specimens longer than 400 metres have been seen
in the deep desert) and live to great age unless slain by one of their
fellows or drowned in water, which is poisonous to them. Most of the
sand on Arrakis is credited to sandworm action. In Arabic, the name can
be split into "Shai" ("thing") and "Hulud" ("eternal" or "eternity"
SHAITAN
In Heretics of Dune, Sheeana insists on calling the sandworms Shaitan.
This is the Arabic word for "Satan" or "The Devil". It is also borrowed
by Hindi for the same meaning.
i could cross refernce numerous ancient texts on behomoth creatures that are similiar to the worms..
There are hundreds of games where there are sandworms in desserts. Dune really wasn't the only one.
SHAI-HULUD
Sandworm of Arrakis, the 'Old Man of the Desert','Old Father Eternity'
and 'Grandfather of the Desert.' Significantly, this name, when
referred to in a certain tone or written with capital letters,
designates the earth deity of Fremen hearth superstitions. Sandworms
grow to enormous size (specimens longer than 400 metres have been seen
in the deep desert) and live to great age unless slain by one of their
fellows or drowned in water, which is poisonous to them. Most of the
sand on Arrakis is credited to sandworm action. In Arabic, the name can
be split into "Shai" ("thing") and "Hulud" ("eternal" or "eternity"
SHAITAN
In Heretics of Dune, Sheeana insists on calling the sandworms Shaitan.
This is the Arabic word for "Satan" or "The Devil". It is also borrowed
by Hindi for the same meaning.
i could cross refernce numerous ancient texts on behomoth creatures that are similiar to the worms..
I was saying to the orcs and werewolfs and such as that, but yeah... ok... Yeah I know. I read the necronamicon. Just saying you can't say "Tolkin did it!" when he bassically took from actual "history".
Siehst du mich
Erkennst du mich
Ganz tief in meinem Herz
ist noch ein Platz f?r dich
Ich suche dich
Ich sehne mich
nach dem was ich geliebt hab
doch ich find es nicht