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WoW vs WAR
Aseenus
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My thoughts are...
WAR will be same as wow but with a dodgy lore, better pvp and worse pve
discuss
WAR will be same as wow but with a dodgy lore, better pvp and worse pve
discuss
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discussed.
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Well, I have to agree that the warhammer lore is about as super-high-fantasy and far out as it gets. Theres really no restrictions concerning the stuff they made (make?) up to justify dopy races or models. But I like it none the less
WoW with better PvP and "worse" PvE is a good thing in my opinion. If by "worse" you mean "Don't have to be 40 people playing in a boring dungeon all night every night of the week and still not reach the best equipment". I kind of like the DaoC style of PvE grind, its not easy as pie but you can get good end game gear pretty fast and it lasts a while.
Is it just me or has the troll population been blooming recently?
And in all honesty I cant even see a correlation between WoW and WAR other than the fact they both incorporate some of the same mythical creatures and are both fantasy based.
WAR isnt a WoW clone. WAR actually has an established history and lore. No one has played the game yet, so presumptions at this point about the PVP and PVE are entirely unfounded.
Just gimme a game where obnoxious 12 year olds cant run around ganking lowbies for a change and I'll be happy. That isnt PvP in my books.
but more to the point.... Warhammer and WoW are completely different except for the fact that WAR has orcs =/ other than that there is pretty much nothing in common and as far as the mmos go...
a) completely different "Lore" or storyline
b) completely different companies
and
c) completely different fanbase
how exactly are these 2 games going to be alike?
A few of the guys that I went to E3 with got to test PvP in WAR when the Mythic booth wasn't full of press, they said that even tho it was kind of crude it played and looked pretty much exactly like WoW. Not saying that is a bad thing tho, in my opinion the GUI, character control, etc, is much better in WoW than in DaoC (which is probably mostly because DaoC is so old). I wouldn't blame Mythic for trying to attract some of the WoW players or stealing some of the things they think that WoW did well.
What he said.... but I think it's spelled disgust. As in a year of WoW/WAR comparisons to look forward to. I wonder if there would still be similarity debates if WoW didn't have Warhammer-like toons.
....and worse pve
I think melding PvP and PvE in certain areas can make both better. For example, a 50-person raid killing some huge mega-boss can be fun, but the same raid slaughtering a surprised 50 people from another realm right before killing the boss can be much more fun. Even being the ones killed isn't so bad when it was a good, long, close fight. You get a penalty-free ride home with no after-raid loot lottery and the lowbies get great exp, rp's or whatever. When you don't run into opposition a PvE raid can quickly turn into a PvP raid full of people fearless through the knowledge that if they die they're just getting that free ride home where there's a giant pile of raid loot awaiting them. With possible PvP encounters a run you've done a hundred times can always be different and exiting.
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Warcraft "lore" feels like a comic book or anime. Every few years
there's a New Menace to Everything That Must Be Stopped. First, orcs
from another world. Then it turns out these orcs were duped by Chaos
(or... Chaos-lite, from their warp-lite), so they can be good guys
(Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch OLOLOL!!!11), because there's an
EVILER EVIL that Must Be Stopped If It's The Last Thing We Do. Oh, and
they have Elric/Aenarion/Vader on their side. Who's tragic, by the way. Really.
Then, that's finished up and it moves on to Bug People.
It's the same villian-of-the-season format that Yu-gi-oh! follows: building up to the next "OMG BIG REVEAL!!!11" but there's not a lot of substance.
Warhammer, on the other hand, follows the form of a history class. Like a book that combines a hybrid of Moorcock's Chaos with Lovecraft, then
sticks that in 16th century pre/early-Reformation Germany. It's convoluted, contradictory, thouroughly fascinating, and it
doesn't change (much); just like real-life history. It borrows from original sources and finds depth there. There's always more detail to be
discovered, new revelations, and established things to debate.
For me, the psuedo-historical/classic swords-and-sorcery style of
Warhammer is infinitely more engaging than a lighter, fluffier version. It's like a steak compared to a hamburger, or
triple-fermented unfiltered belgian compared to Budweiser. Classic
versus mass-market.
We'll see if they pull off the PvP, but when it comes to story, imagery, and graphics, Warhammer is leagues ahead.
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As far as lore, no way. Warhammer has decades of lore built up, far more than the Warcraft universe (which is all based on Warhammer to begin with!). I think Warhammer will be the clear winner on the lore front.
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I don't know a whole lot about the Warhammer lore, and until playing WoW, I knew nothing of the Warcraft lore. They did a bad job with the lore in WoW -- honestly, they could have left it out entirely, and had each quest giver just say "go and do this, and I'll give you this" and there would have been no real difference to the game in my opinion.
I may have to read up on Warhammer lore sometime, but I have no doubts that it is equal to or greater than WoW's lore. Also, the graphics for WAR are much better -- greater detail, more fine-tuned, etc., and because of that, don't really look anything like WoW at all. It looks much better overall.
From what I have read about the combat system, PvP and PvE, it sounds like it's going to be much more fun than WoW if it's all pulled off. There isn't much worse PvE out there than WoW's post-60 game, and the PvP, while fun for up to and including 35 minutes, is just boring and pointless. It is my belief that WAR will surpass WoW on every aspect -- and with Mythic, I am sure that's almost a guarantee.
That's all I have to say for now.
Mythic may have adopted a similar UI and controls, but that is a good thing. I have a lot of trouble trying new MMORPG's because there is no standard control/UI setup that each is based on, so there's a steep learning curve to pick up a new game.
As far as lore goes, I like both of them, they are really similar though. You have to give credit to Warhammer though, it's like 15 years older than Warcraft...and while they have a lot of similarities, I'd say Warcraft was heavily influenced by Warhammer, at this point they are really different, and Warhammer has a lot more depth.
So here's what I'd say.....
WAR will be WoW with more meaningful lore that penetrates every part of the game, excellent graphics that portray the WAR universe in graphic detail, with a blend of exaggeration and realism that makes WoW look 5 years old and like a game for little kids, all the while offering the most exciting pvp on the market through a diverse RvR system, and a PvE system designed to support characters for RvR without requiring 40 man raids over and over to get what you need to enjoy the game.
-shadowski-
Most MMO's can be compared and found similar. Dodgy lore depends on what they use from the twenty some odd years of story they have to work from. Having not played the game, commenting on the PvP or PvE implementation would be pure conjecture.
Discussed.
so...
The game with best PVP lasts long, cause there is no meaning in doing instances all day, all night, and then when u get the best Equip, then what to do?? u stand in IF and go afk, cause u are so awesome to look at..
hmm WoW is boring as hell, get level 60 u have tryed all been in all instances once, then i dont seem to find it interressting as its the only thing to do..
So i mean that WAR is gonna be awesome, and maybe the UI is kinda alike, but u wonder how many that use the same UI?? i can tell u allready, MANY games use the same UI, just other colors.. nothing wrong with that.
And so far as i know then WAR is getting older crowd, instead of over 50% of the players are little lamers who just think they are the Master of the game... WoW is ruined for all the little children, and then the gameplay is not nothing u can play 1 year while bein level 60..
but i truly hope that mythic learned what was good and what was bad from DAoC, daoc is the best MMORPG i have ever played. played 3½ year.. So i am looking really forward to this game
Id like to point out Warcraft came out in 1994 i think
Warhammer came out in 1983.
Warhammer 40k came out same sort of time as warhammer.
Blizzard based warcraft on warhammer. Blizzard based starcraft on warhammer 40k.
Zerg = almost identicle to the Tyranids in Warhammer 40k
Terran alliance =almost identicle to the space marines/imperial guard in warhammer 40k
Protoss = almost identicle to Eldar in warhammer 40k.
Point is it seems Blizzard are BIG fans of games workshop it seems as they seem to amke a ot of games based on games workshop material.
-iCeh
This game is shaping up to be anything but generic. I can't figure out if statements like this are merely ignorant, or malicious trolling.