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World pvp by blizz, should make mythic happy
PeaCee
Member Posts: 67
World pvp by blizz, should make mythic happy. With the pathetic implementation of pvp that blizzard is trying to shove down its customers colective throat more and more players are looking for a pvp game. If only mythic doesnt succumb to the vision of a mmo which wow is trying to enforce, they (mythic) will be wearing money hats.
People are sick and fucking tired of this carebear piece of shit. Pvp, player versus player combat, no more or less. One would think its pretty simple to do, just give players an incentive to meat and kill and presto! You have a pvp game!
Well gl mythic I hope ea doesnt make this the next wow...
Sand lol...
People are sick and fucking tired of this carebear piece of shit. Pvp, player versus player combat, no more or less. One would think its pretty simple to do, just give players an incentive to meat and kill and presto! You have a pvp game!
Well gl mythic I hope ea doesnt make this the next wow...
Sand lol...
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Darwi & Vladymir- DAoC, WoW, others. Formerly officers of The Black Company.
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Yes i agree with you, they can make a game "that evryone will want to play" (wow2) atleast for some time, or they can actualy make a game which will be fun to play. If you think its possible to cater to the large amount of difrent player types which dervied from wow you are mistaken.
Im not asking for ffa, full loot pvp, beacuse I know mythic is not doing such a game. All I am hoping for is that mythic will make a game with meaningfull pvp, like they did in daoc.
I would be willing to bet that if you asked them whether they were worried about WoW they wouyld just go "Pfft, whatever". At least if you did it in private or a pitcher of beer. They know the current WoW team has no idea how to do fun PvP and that they have no other ideas except farm, farm, script,script.
That's correct. However, surely when PvP'ers choose a PvP Server they shouldn't be insulted to find that Blizzards vision of PvP is queuing up for 1hour+, then have to do that all day and night to keep up with everyone else (Blizzards pathetic Honor System) on the Server else you'll not rank, or even lose rank!
I've said that so many times now, and i really don't understand how anyone other than PvE'ers can play that carebear piece of shit game!
-iCeh
I'm all about pvp personally, but to the above poster, I don't thin PvE is hard concept to grasp.
Not everyone wants to compete. Some people play a games, and think, "man, I'd like to test my skill on some other guy". Using a simply example, that would probably happen in most FPS. Other players probably play games say, some form of RPG (which brought on the whole MMORPG idea), and thought to themselves, "man, I wish the other people in my party were actually real" .
Hence the idea for PvE. Most (some,half, whatever), probably don't think (or more accurately, care) who they can beat, how good they are at PvP, etc. They like to play the game for the teamwork, not the competiveness.
(in regard to that las statement, yes I know there can be teamwork in pvp.)
That's correct. However, surely when PvP'ers choose a PvP Server they shouldn't be insulted to find that Blizzards vision of PvP is queuing up for 1hour+, then have to do that all day and night to keep up with everyone else (Blizzards pathetic Honor System) on the Server else you'll not rank, or even lose rank!
I've said that so many times now, and i really don't understand how anyone other than PvE'ers can play that carebear piece of shit game!
Having played MMO's for 4 years, I've learned one thing. That is, a game is what you make it. I think the lack of PvP going on in WOW is player related. Are you telling me that you all don't have the choice to organize on the forum boards a huge PvP battle in the world and then go carry it out? Of course you do. So the only fault it is that you all aren't PvPing in the world is your own for not doing it. Instead the PvPers are more worried about Honor, which if you're a true PvPer, you wouldn't be worried about it.
Having DAoC as my first MMO and me playing it 4 years qualifies me to say what Mythic will most likely create. I'm sure WAR will be very similar to DAoC. DAoC was not a game JUST for PvPers, but a game for RPers, PvPers, Raiders, and Questers(PvE).
How can you not be worried about Honor? You need it to rank in PvP to get the good PvP gear. Of course we tried to organise PvP events, but the server i was on almost all the Alliance were PvE'ers and hardly PvP'd at all... they had instant battlegrounds while we had 1 hour+ queues.
There's no way that it's my fault that their system is pathetic, it's all down to Blizzard and their daft Civilians.
-iCeh
What exactly would be the point of such an organized battle? If you just do it for the fun of fighting than it's far easier to just go fight mobs. The problem wasn't that people were unable to create large PvP raids, but that there was no reason to do so. It doesn't help your side at all. The "True PvPers" know that you can bring as much fight to a game as you want, but it's the developers that bring the reason to fight.
On a side note, it takes a real jerk to publicly blame an MMO player for the problems of a game, let alone ALL the players. You accomplish nothing but pissing people off and I'm sure you must be very proud.
How exactly does playing one of Mythic's games give you clairvoyance enough to say what their people are thinking when creating a totally different game? Or what their decisions will be? Because I played DAoC just as long and for some reason I did not gain the psychic powers that you claim to have gleaned from your experience there.
As for this statement: "Having DAoC as my first MMO and me playing it 4 years qualifies me to say what Mythic will most likely create." I have never before witnessed such unmitigated arrogance on a forum.
Darwi & Vladymir- DAoC, WoW, others. Formerly officers of The Black Company.
How can you not be worried about Honor? You need it to rank in PvP to get the good PvP gear. Of course we tried to organise PvP events, but the server i was on almost all the Alliance were PvE'ers and hardly PvP'd at all... they had instant battlegrounds while we had 1 hour+ queues.
There's no way that it's my fault that their system is pathetic, it's all down to Blizzard and their daft Civilians.
If you're on a PvP, the community should want to PvP. It takes good leaders to motivate people to PvP without incentive, but a true PvPer does not need any other incentive to PvP other than to win. Honor is only important to people who care about titles and gear. A true PvPer does not care about petty things such as gear or title/rankings. So that begs the question: Are you a true PvPer or are you just another one of those whiny baby PvPers that care about rankings and gear instead of the pleasure of taking part of PvP. Most people that claim to like PvP fit in the second whiny baby group. To compete with others, whether you win or lose, should be enough to motivate you into PvP.
It is also worth mentioning that PvP is pointless and without challenge in a level based system. You already know you're going to win if you target a lower level person, if all things are equal. You know you will lose against a higher level person, if all things are equal. Give or take a few levels of course for extraordinary player skill.
What exactly would be the point of such an organized battle? If you just do it for the fun of fighting than it's far easier to just go fight mobs. The problem wasn't that people were unable to create large PvP raids, but that there was no reason to do so. It doesn't help your side at all. The "True PvPers" know that you can bring as much fight to a game as you want, but it's the developers that bring the reason to fight.
On a side note, it takes a real jerk to publicly blame an MMO player for the problems of a game, let alone ALL the players. You accomplish nothing but pissing people off and I'm sure you must be very proud.
How exactly does playing one of Mythic's games give you clairvoyance enough to say what their people are thinking when creating a totally different game? Or what their decisions will be? Because I played DAoC just as long and for some reason I did not gain the psychic powers that you claim to have gleaned from your experience there.
As for this statement: "Having DAoC as my first MMO and me playing it 4 years qualifies me to say what Mythic will most likely create." I have never before witnessed such unmitigated arrogance on a forum.
If you've been following all of Mythic's posts and such in certain places on the web then you would know where I get the information from. However, I haven't payed any attention to WAR since last Christmas due to the overwhelming numbers of WoW like kiddies flocking to it.
WoW created a reason to fight the other in their lore. It is not my problem if you do not read the lore and then play your role in the World of Warcraft. My father might have been a Knight that was slain during the second war with the Horde. That gave me the motivation to pick up a sword to avenge my father. Therefore, I go out and battle the Horde when I see them and organize armies to take their cities.
If you're unable to conjure up the imagination I just made up on a whim, then you shouldn't be playing mmoRPG's in the first place. But everyone is entitled to play if they have the almighty dollar, which is why the MMO market has gone downhill.
In my opinion, it is the developers job to create the world and lore, and it is your job to use it to provide sufficient motivation to do anything.
Rankings and such belong in an Arena in my opinion. There it makes sense to have a rank or title. But it is unrealistic to gain rank or gear from how many people you kill. Coming from personal experience in the military and taking part in a real war, killing people does not help you gain rank.
Remember that these are RPG's you are playing. So they are meant to be a simulated world for you to live in and act occordingly to their limitations brought by the lore. People break those limitations, mostly because they have no respect for the lore or RPing and only see the virtual world as a game to make a name for oneself.
Insult me if you want, but petty things like that don't bother me and neither do you. In my eyes, you are just another one of those wannabe PvPers that doesn't respect lore or RP and your opinions don't mean squat to me.
What are you talking about? I play games for fun, and the challenges a game provides. PvP'ing isn't just killing people for no reason, even if it's a fair fight, it's about the challenge that the game gives you and the rewards you get for completing those challenges.
You can't posssibly expect me to say "Oh yea, i'm a PvP'er, not one of those "whiny babies"" when everyone else is running around in their gear that they earned from PvP. I do like PvP, but i'm not going to run around in rags just to "take part" in PvP, it would let my team mates down if i had cheap shit items and clothes... and that's another reason i play games, teamwork.
-iCeh
ohh blizzard...sand...
What are you talking about? I play games for fun, and the challenges a game provides. PvP'ing isn't just killing people for no reason, even if it's a fair fight, it's about the challenge that the game gives you and the rewards you get for completing those challenges.
You can't posssibly expect me to say "Oh yea, i'm a PvP'er, not one of those "whiny babies"" when everyone else is running around in their gear that they earned from PvP. I do like PvP, but i'm not going to run around in rags just to "take part" in PvP, it would let my team mates down if i had cheap shit items and clothes... and that's another reason i play games, teamwork.
My views for online gaming is just one of many views out there. It can be argued whose view is the view shared by the developers or the genre itself, but that doesn't matter. What matters is you pay your monthly just as I do. We all are entitled an opinion and we all have a choice where to spend our money and why or why not.
You think WoW is inadequate as far a PvP goes and many share your sentiments. I believe in RP, so my views usually contradict with people like you. I do not mean 'people like you' in a negatice way either. What is obvious is that these two different kinds of people are not meant to play the same game, or at least the same server. What you value and I value are different and require different coding and gameplay.
WAR is supposed to be much like DAoC when it comes to PvP/RvR according to a release a while back. You will have to do the research yourself, because I honestly don't remember when or where I read it. But if you want goals or a reason to PvP, be assured that Mythic will provide it. They always have.
Daoc is going down the shitter in 2 months they are already pulling support from DAOC prolly EA's idea
and also their Cheif Excutive Director/producer that "mythic" says he was not working on war and hardly on DAOC he says he is stepping down b/c he wanted to spend more time with his fam LOL
If he wasent working on war and not much with daoc WTH DID HE do???
o well i knew EA would destroy mythic and i dont think this game will not come out or if it does it is going tobe a money maker for ea then they will destroy that like that have so many other games
Wow this must be exciting! I mean, there are whole topics covering what your trolling is all about, and yet, you choose to disrupt this topic! Amazing wild life here on the forums!
On a more serious note, we don't know what kind of support was given, specially because the support can merely be software and I recall Mythic saying in an announcement that they do not mix teams, so if a guy goes to work on WAR, he will work on WAR, period. So, unless you have actual proof that EA did screw up, please, do not troll. Thank you.
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Its not a lack of pvp in WoW its a lack of RvR. And WAR is a RvR centric game. This alone will allow them to do very well. Everything now revolves on Mythics/EA's skill to implement their vision and launch it. Noting how DAoC did, I am optimistic.
With that said, I hope mythic learned their lesson from the ravaging that WoW did to DAoC. Massive time sinks and buff bots killed it and I hope they are smart enough not to make the same mistakes.
Having DAoC as my first MMO and me playing it 4 years qualifies me to say what Mythic will most likely create. I'm sure WAR will be very similar to DAoC. DAoC was not a game JUST for PvPers, but a game for RPers, PvPers, Raiders, and Questers(PvE). ]]]"
You are only partly correct. But you must understand that pvpers and pve'ers have one thing in common. They want to advance in character strength. In UO (my first game) this was done by obtaining material wealth from pvping (looting). In DAoC this was done by Realm points. But in WoW if a world pvper organizes and fights a RvR fight, at best gains nothing and at worst gets hurt.
how so?
If me and my merry band of alliance have a 10v10 fight in ungoro zone and win what did we get? Nothing. We didn't advance in anyway. Honor wise we fell behind those doing BGs. And what is sad, is this is the best case possible. If I have the same RvR fight but this time in an enemy town I will get HURT from DKPs.
So you see, your assumption of what drives pvpers or RvR'ers is incorrect and so you entire arguement is based off of a faulty premise. Once again, its not the simple act of pvping, rather its the ability to advance your character while doing what you like. WAR allows pve'ers to advance doing what they like and allows RvR'ers to advance doing what they like. In my book that sounds like a winning combination.