Why warhammer fantasy?

TiredNimbus · July 2006

Personaly If I were making a game about Warhammer I would make it 40k... they could make it an mmofps. Why? because every game and their mothers are fantasy - never sci fi! We have eve online, one crappy star wars galexies and a handful of others. the rest are fantasy, if they made a wh40k game that was wh40k I personally think it would be better because of the number of fantasy games... they could even make it sort of like planet side/WWII online, because people would flock to this game. obviously on this game the "good guys" will be all the noobs and will probably whine for balance which is what allways happens...but in the wh40k universe it is basicly every race vs every race

Discuss anyone?

Nihilis · July 2006

Originally posted by BladeMage3
obviously on this game the "good guys" will be all the noobs and will probably whine for balance which is what allways happens...

Actually in WAR most people seem to be going to the darkside and I'm sure that the population that will be comprised mostly of newbs and whine will be Chaos. Every 12 year old wants to be teh kewl kaos warrier.

Otherwise your post has been discussed already.

Morskittar · July 2006

A fantasy game is more financially viable, even if the internet community prefers something different. Especially in the post-LotR film years.

I also don't see how 40k would work and remain true to the background. You'd have to restrict races, have a free-for-all, and the most popular characters (Space Marines) would be restricted to nothing but combat. There is no freedom in 40k, only war (and the accompanying religious zeal and madness).

Now, a 40k MMORPG/FPS based on a smaller chunk of the setting, like Necromunda... that would work. But would a gang warfare cyberpunk game be financially viable, beyond just the vocal internet minority?

TiredNimbus · July 2006

Yes there is also Inquisitor though. Still, they could make it so that you would have to join a seperate "army" if you will, say space marines have chapters, so you would chose a chapter at character creation, everyone would fight together (or more or less forced to) but the problem with that is that if one person was in charge of the chapter then he/she went offline then the chapter wouldnt be able t do anything. Anyways, I would still rather be a power sword weilding space marine than an empire soldier in platemail anyday.

Edit: WH40k IS basicly free for all. alliances barely exist and if they do its never for long. the only "True" alliance is between the imperial guard and the space marines and thats only because their not aliens to each other

Nihilis · July 2006

The one thing I never liked about 40k is futuristic orcs with machine guns. I'm sorry but my imagination can only stretch so far.

LordSlater · July 2006

Originally posted by BladeMage3
Personaly If I were making a game about Warhammer I would make it 40k... they could make it an mmofps. Why? because every game and their mothers are fantasy - never sci fi! We have eve online, one crappy star wars galexies and a handful of others. the rest are fantasy, if they made a wh40k game that was wh40k I personally think it would be better because of the number of fantasy games... they could even make it sort of like planet side/WWII online, because people would flock to this game. obviously on this game the "good guys" will be all the noobs and will probably whine for balance which is what allways happens...but in the wh40k universe it is basicly every race vs every race

Discuss anyone?

Because the game needs to appeal to a mass audience and it seems most people prefer to play fantasy games.

ignesti · July 2006

I agree with BladeMage3, why is the weight of new games on to the fantasy genre? A lot of the ordinary titles for the PC market e.g. the non MMOs, are of the Sci-Fi or Present genre. Is this why I see so many posts on MMORPG.com that complain about the poor and unimaginative releaes of MMOs. I have absolutely no idea of why the go for WAR. IMO 40k would attract a lot of new players. The WAR40k title is well known and established as a desktop game and as a RTS game. Actually I first thought that WAR would be like WAR40k, but as it is now with WAR I wouldn't touch this with a pair of pliers.
I'm so dead tired of Orcs Giants and not to mention Elves. Elves are like Jedi's too many and hard to get rrid of, just like gnats.

By the way, ROFL Nihilis, you have made my day complete

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The one thing I never liked about 40k is futuristic orcs with machine
guns. I'm sorry but my imagination can only stretch so far.
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isn't fantasy about imagination? How far can it be stretched when you can imagina Orcs in a game, but not futuristic Orcs? I can accept Orcs with or without machineguns as much I can imagine giants with swords (saw the preview film of WAR), shouldn't it be crude clubs?

If anyone would do a WAR40k MMO I would be on it as a fly to a rotten fish. There are too few good Sci-Fi out since SWG wen't down the drains. Maybe some orcs in SWG would cure it?

Rowleyathep · July 2006

Originally posted by ignesti
I agree with BladeMage3, why is the weight of new games on to the fantasy genre? A lot of the ordinary titles for the PC market e.g. the non MMOs, are of the Sci-Fi or Present genre. Is this why I see so many posts on MMORPG.com that complain about the poor and unimaginative releaes of MMOs. I have absolutely no idea of why the go for WAR. IMO 40k would attract a lot of new players. The WAR40k title is well known and established as a desktop game and as a RTS game. Actually I first thought that WAR would be like WAR40k, but as it is now with WAR I wouldn't touch this with a pair of pliers.
I'm so dead tired of Orcs Giants and not to mention Elves. Elves are like Jedi's too many and hard to get rrid of, just like gnats.

By the way, ROFL Nihilis, you have made my day complete
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The one thing I never liked about 40k is futuristic orcs with machine guns. I'm sorry but my imagination can only stretch so far.
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isn't fantasy about imagination? How far can it be stretched when you can imagina Orcs in a game, but not futuristic Orcs? I can accept Orcs with or without machineguns as much I can imagine giants with swords (saw the preview film of WAR), shouldn't it be crude clubs?

If anyone would do a WAR40k MMO I would be on it as a fly to a rotten fish. There are too few good Sci-Fi out since SWG wen't down the drains. Maybe some orcs in SWG would cure it?

The sad truth of it, i think is the fact that to pull of 40K would be a massive task, and probably to much of a "risk" that 99% of the dev teams out there would not like to put there name too.

The main problem of 40k in an MMO scene is that, "In the year 40K there is ONLY War" You would have to o alot of changes to make it playable, you would have to "break" what most people see as true 40k war fair and I just dont think it would be pulled of properly. Saying that I would love to see a company step up to this challenge and atleast try, it would have a huge following

I would love to see a 40K MMO, there are not ANY good sci fi games out there at the moment, maybe EVE online, as I heard it was good, although I played and it was just not my thing.

The idea of Orcs with guns is fine by me, they have been around since the dawn of any and all wars in many galaxies and to find them in the year 40k is no suprise as they reproduce quicker than all the other races in 40k (in the books) and only have one thing on there mind, 24/7 which is to kill, and to kill in better and better ways, they are experts at adabting everything and anything to kill the oponent, this desire to kill and there shere numbers is why they are such a threat and always in the games.

In Dawn of war ( I think it was either in game or in the book) it states that if the Orcs across all the systems could just stop killing each other and unite under one flag, that even the mighty Space Maine chapters would have trouble to hold back the green tide of destruction, and many belive, (and this is spoken from Sapce marines command chars) that If they did unite then the Orc's would be unstopable by one race alone.

Off topic, would be nice to see a new RTS along those lines, the Orc's comming to gether under some sort of leader and the Elder and the Imperium fighting side by side just to save each other from extingtion. Maybe the orc could be controlled by the Chaos again. Anyway back on topic.

Some good points, buts thats my take on why

EliasThorne · July 2006

You're right, just now 40K would be alot of work - sure they have a fair amount of back story, but its nothing compared to fantasy - why you ask - fantasy has the roloeplaying game

The good news is that very soon the 40K RPG will be released and that will expand the history hugely, so in a few years the bulk of history will be sorted out, they will have a good idea how small groups will function and their life will be easier and as such less risky.

Wolfjunkie · July 2006

40K is a bit... 0,0001% heroes - 99,9999% grunts and meatshields. Not really good for an MMORPG, or MMOFPS for that matter.
Besides, just because it's 'fantasy', doesn't mean it's generic. I mean, just because you watch a movie which is set in present time, it doesn't have to be a generic movie.

iHatePants · July 2006

everyone would play Space Marines

ikit · July 2006

Originally posted by iHatePants
everyone would play Space Marines

And they'd be boring as hell. Shoot some stuff, pray. Pray some more. Shoot something. Pray.

Not like they'd interact with non Space Marines, either. 40k just does not work as a traditional MMORPG, unless you cut out all the cool stuff people would want in it. It's just like the Jedi issue in SWG: either you piss the fans off and don't allow them, or you allow them and piss the fans off.

Kyoruto · July 2006

Originally posted by ikit

Originally posted by iHatePants
everyone would play Space Marines

And they'd be boring as hell. Shoot some stuff, pray. Pray some more. Shoot something. Pray.

Not like they'd interact with non Space Marines, either. 40k just does not work as a traditional MMORPG, unless you cut out all the cool stuff people would want in it. It's just like the Jedi issue in SWG: either you piss the fans off and don't allow them, or you allow them and piss the fans off.

Well, that in imperial Gaurd too. Thats the whole thing about 40k. Everyone is at war with everyone else. It makes for a good RTS, but I don't think it makes for a good game. I mean everyone is THAT hated that they can't really have an alliance. Though I would love to play as a tua or maybe a necron. Mmm... ninja like tua.

adrianemery · July 2006

I think that the 40K game rights are also with another company and they want to do the RTS games. (which rock) Also the first warhammer online was scheduled to be released just after world of warcraft before it all fell through big time.

VideoXPG · July 2006

Originally posted by iHatePants
everyone would play Space Marines

I'd be Eldar or Tau, depending which races would be avaliable. Me no like Space Marines compared to Eldar/Tau.

EliasThorne · July 2006

Just had a thought looking at Gods and Heroes - that style of squad based MMO could work quite well for 40K.

Wolfjunkie · July 2006

Originally posted by iHatePants
everyone would play Space Marines

I wouldn't. Space Marines are religious nutcases. Their life is a chore, not unlike 16-17th century european monks - Well, except for the fact that they fight too.
I'd much rather play an Imperial Guard, or a Tyranid. Imperial Guard, the lil' squishies.. Those men got courage. Ligthly armed and armored, they take on the worst threats to the emperor. Tyranids are just... Evil killing machines with acid, bio-weapons, and plenty of claws/teeths to take down a spacemarine.

Shayde · July 2006

Originally posted by iHatePants
everyone would play Space Marines

That's a flying load of space dung. OOPS.. that's the Emperor. I mistake those two all the time.

Space Marines would be the LAST class I'd choose. OK, Imperial guard last.. then Space marines.

40k as an MMO could EASILY be done. You just have to think outside the box.

Kyoruto · July 2006

Originally posted by VideoXPG

Originally posted by iHatePants
everyone would play Space Marines

I'd be Eldar or Tau, depending which races would be avaliable. Me no like Space Marines compared to Eldar/Tau.

Yeah, Same here... Thats why as soon as Dark Crusade is released. I'm dropping eldar and picking up Tau! I don't care if they suck in the game. I'll make them work. >.>

Kyoruto · July 2006

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by iHatePants
everyone would play Space Marines

That's a flying load of space dung. OOPS.. that's the Emperor. I mistake those two all the time.

Space Marines would be the LAST class I'd choose. OK, Imperial guard last.. then Space marines.

40k as an MMO could EASILY be done. You just have to think outside the box.

Could you imagine playing as an Imperial guard psyker? Just randomly in game. "OK, we need you to be scarafised to the Emperor." and its not like you can say no to that.

checkthis500 · July 2006

I think a game with 40K should be an MMOFPS because of all the guns and stuff. I think it would be a lot more fun in first person with a bolter and chain sword than clicking "burst" or "chainsword attack"

Sci Fi is more actiony than Fantasy.

littlefatboy · July 2006

dude.. there alot of game that have gun and knife and sword stuff. for example. battle field 2 is like the best shooting game ever made. you can get promoted to next rank and stuff unlock new weapons. RF( rising force) that game is sci fi. and it online. go play it 0.o and the game Gunz, it have sword, gun and you can lvl up. go play it. stop complaining why this game is fantasy..

Wolfjunkie · July 2006

Originally posted by littlefatboy
dude.. there alot of game that have gun and knife and sword stuff. for example. battle field 2 is like the best shooting game ever made. you can get promoted to next rank and stuff unlock new weapons. RF( rising force) that game is sci fi. and it online. go play it 0.o and the game Gunz, it have sword, gun and you can lvl up. go play it. stop complaining why this game is fantasy..

BF2 is nothin' but some fast paced-arcade shooting. Hardly worth calling 'the best'. RFO is just about grinding/pot spamming afaik.. And Gunz, well.. Crap.
The only alternative on the market, today, if you want an 40K MMOFPS.. Is probaly Planetside.

LordSlater · July 2006

Originally posted by checkthis500

I think a game with 40K should be an MMOFPS because of all the guns and stuff. I think it would be a lot more fun in first person with a bolter and chain sword than clicking "burst" or "chainsword attack"
Sci Fi is more actiony than Fantasy.

Yea but have you played Oblivion thats full of action and suspence.

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