This is what Warhammer online should look like...

scaramoosh · July 2006

Apart from being a lame video, this is what it should look like (obviously not as amazing graphics as that.

http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/video/easterEggs/WAR_Promo_797869.html

So why do we have this? Specially while their advertising it like that ^

http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/screenshots/

Tbh it just looks like a attempt to take WOW players away and not stay faithful to the franchise. Everything i've seen says more DAOC/WOW rather than Warhammer ONline.

OneMuslim · July 2006

Because not everyone and their mother have a nuclear reactor in their homes.

maybe game graphics will be like that after 10 years, if we even had any technology by then.

Kane · July 2006

I agree with OneMuslim. They CAN"T look as good as the video because of limitations of modern computers. I think the in-game graphics look as close to the video as they can get without making the game run horribly. I think the visual style is looking less and less WoW/cartoonish as time goes on.

scaramoosh · July 2006

I said not as good graphics as that. The design and look and the dark dead look.

It's not a fantasy game

Kane · July 2006

OK, I get the "not as good" part, but what the heck did the rest of that even MEAN?

Punk999 · July 2006

I like the Way those Graphics are.

Distortion0 · July 2006

Because, videos use sophisicated graphics engines that would blow up every computer(even the top of the line) if it were to be run as a video game. If you want your game to look like that, just turn down the gamma. You'll be mostly blind, but the colors will be the same.

(By the way dumb***, the screens look EXACTLY like the video exept brighter[in order to make everything veiwable] and with a less complicated graphics engine)

Kyoruto · July 2006

I'd like to know how thats a lame video. Cause the orc hit the wall its comical? Orcs beleave themselves even to be cannon fodder so to speak.

VideoXPG · July 2006

I for one don't understand this resentment people have with the comical twist WAR is taking with the Warhammer franchise. I always saw Orcs in particular to act in such a comical way, besides, the rest of the video captured the "WAR is everywhere" feel.

Nihilis · July 2006

I think what the guy is saying is that he wishes the in-game models used artwork and textures that were more fitting to the style in the video. I don't think he was saying he expected the graphics to be that intense. Though I'd have to say that the WAR artwork is growing on me, I'm starting to like it more and more when I didn't like it at all at first.

LordSlater · July 2006

Originally posted by OneMuslim

Because not everyone and their mother have a nuclear reactor in their homes.
maybe game graphics will be like that after 10 years, if we even had any technology by then.

Well then maybee they will do what was done for everquest 2 then have scalable graphical settings so that if you CAN handle it you can crank those settings up to the max and if you cant then you will lower them till they are at a workable level.

Kyoruto · July 2006

Originally posted by VideoXPG
I for one don't understand this resentment people have with the comical twist WAR is taking with the Warhammer franchise. I always saw Orcs in particular to act in such a comical way, besides, the rest of the video captured the "WAR is everywhere" feel.

Well, yeah orcs are stupid. They think that "hey flinging our guys at a castle" is a good idea. They'll throw anything at a problem 4... maybe 8 times before they start to think something isn't working.

IcoGames · July 2006

Originally posted by VideoXPG
I for one don't understand this resentment people have with the comical twist WAR is taking with the Warhammer franchise. I always saw Orcs in particular to act in such a comical way, besides, the rest of the video captured the "WAR is everywhere" feel.

Exactly, I really enjoy games with a light-hearted approach. The Orc scene brought images of the Simpsons episode where Lisa plays Jone of Arc; there's a Frenchman that launches himself at the English castle screaming 'Sacre Bleu' before slamming into the wall. ^_^

As for the graphics disparity between the video and game, that's common. For example, watch WoW's game trailer.

Stylized graphics have grown on me. I prefer a stylized character to a 'realistic' one, which often come out looking worse imo. Added is the benefit of possible lower system requirements. Besides game play is far more important.

bouncingsoul · July 2006

this game's graphics are awesome as is. the slightly cartoonish look looks great and yet not too demanding for displaying 100+ players at one time (during a big RvR battle, etc) on a moderate gaming PC.

It's too bad this game isn't coming out sooner.

JulianDracos · July 2006

Originally posted by scaramoosh

Apart from being a lame video, this is what it should look like (obviously not as amazing graphics as that.

http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/video/easterEggs/WAR_Promo_797869.html

So why do we have this? Specially while their advertising it like that ^

http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/screenshots/

Tbh it just looks like a attempt to take WOW players away and not stay faithful to the franchise. Everything i've seen says more DAOC/WOW rather than Warhammer ONline.

1. Warcraft stole their art desgin from Warhammer. So what is WAR going to do? Are they going to put out a Warhammer Online game that has a different art style than what they have been doing for around 23 years?

2. There is almost the same video released, but with the game engines graphics. That one seems to have disapeard for the cgi.

3. Mythic made a mistake in developing the Orcs first. They are the most "cartoonish" of the races available at release. Dwarves look better and when you see the remaining races you will see more "realistic" and better images that are different from the current WoW style.

4. Any mmorpg coming out, if it plans on being a success, needs to have players. There are only two sources of players - current mmorpgs and those new to the genre. WoW did a lot to bring new people in, but it still took around 30% of the playerbase from most mmorpgs. So, it would make sense that any mmorpg will target WoW's players. With 6 million people playing it, that is where a large portion of your player base currently is.

Rowleyathep · July 2006

Originally posted by scaramoosh

Apart from being a lame video, this is what it should look like (obviously not as amazing graphics as that.
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/video/easterEggs/WAR_Promo_797869.html

So why do we have this? Specially while their advertising it like that ^
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/screenshots/

Tbh it just looks like a attempt to take WOW players away and not stay faithful to the franchise. Everything i've seen says more DAOC/WOW rather than Warhammer ONline.

As said before the whole Warcraft series of games and WoW has been taken in part from Games Workhop's Warhammer board games, and it has 6 million players, so why would they not use there idea, its not coping WoW its using what has been copied from them.

Imo I think the Video is amazing, it captures the War aspect of WAR very well, with good lighting and very good graphics. As for the Orks being first and the Orc smashing into the wall well thats what they are like, they only live to kill or be killed, thats there life. They are one of the most recognised races by alot of people that play fantasy games and also rings a bell with WoW players as well.

Also the comic part of it, i think lets you remember that this is a game, and therefore needs not only to be about hrs apon hrs of life wasting away before you computer screen fighting to the point it gets boring, it needs to also comprise some fun bits and bobs as well that are not fighting, take the Char dance emotes in WoW for example, is it not fun to make your 7 foot 2 tonne, mulse bound, green, scared, raged battle hardened Orc do the little silly thing now and again??

And as for the graphics ingame, I think they are very good indeed, and TBH I even if they could make a game look like the movie and everyone had a good enough computer to play it the lag woud be stupid, and make the game unplayable.

Remember that just because there are good graphics, does not by any means make it a good game. Gameplay is the key, and sometimes some of the simplist things make the most money:

Take for example a number of top selling things around the world and see how nice, but yet simplistic they are

Monoply - The worlds number one board game for what, about 25+ years!

WoW - Graphics are not amazing on that, does that bother 6 million players?

On the Rts games front you have the Command and Conquer series, looks nice but none of they look GREAT so to speack, but does that matter? no, because the fast paced gameplay is there.

So IMO the graphics look fine, I will be happy with fine, with little lag rather than amazing with lots of problems and having to buy a new computer. And as I said, I am more insterested in the gameplay than anything else.

Disclamer:

Where I wrote the word, "Simplistic" to describe games that were great I was NOT refering to SWG NGE, 3 year old gameplay style.

checkthis500 · July 2006

Originally posted by scaramoosh

I said not as good graphics as that. The design and look and the dark dead look.

It's not a fantasy game

Ummm yes it is a fantasy game. The warhammer world is a "fantasy" world.

And if you'd do a little research. Blur studios made their models directly from Warhammer models. The armor that the black orc is wearing in that movie is almost identical to the armor the black orc is wearing in one of the screenshots. I'll find the screenshot for you if you ask nicely.

asupermane · July 2006

Originally posted by Rowleyathep

As said before the whole Warcraft series of games and WoW has been taken in part from Games Workhop's Warhammer board games, and it has 6 million players, so why would they not use there idea, its not coping WoW its using what has been copied from them.

Imo I think the Video is amazing, it captures the War aspect of WAR very well, with good lighting and very good graphics. As for the Orks being first and the Orc smashing into the wall well thats what they are like, they only live to kill or be killed, thats there life. They are one of the most recognised races by alot of people that play fantasy games and also rings a bell with WoW players as well.

Also the comic part of it, i think lets you remember that this is a game, and therefore needs not only to be about hrs apon hrs of life wasting away before you computer screen fighting to the point it gets boring, it needs to also comprise some fun bits and bobs as well that are not fighting, take the Char dance emotes in WoW for example, is it not fun to make your 7 foot 2 tonne, mulse bound, green, scared, raged battle hardened Orc do the little silly thing now and again??

And as for the graphics ingame, I think they are very good indeed, and TBH I even if they could make a game look like the movie and everyone had a good enough computer to play it the lag woud be stupid, and make the game unplayable.

Remember that just because there are good graphics, does not by any means make it a good game. Gameplay is the key, and sometimes some of the simplist things make the most money:
Take for example a number of top selling things around the world and see how nice, but yet simplistic they are
Monoply - The worlds number one board game for what, about 25+ years!
WoW - Graphics are not amazing on that, does that bother 6 million players?
On the Rts games front you have the Command and Conquer series, looks nice but none of they look GREAT so to speack, but does that matter? no, because the fast paced gameplay is there.
So IMO the graphics look fine, I will be happy with fine, with little lag rather than amazing with lots of problems and having to buy a new computer. And as I said, I am more insterested in the gameplay than anything else.

Disclamer:
Where I wrote the word, "Simplistic" to describe games that were great I was NOT refering to SWG NGE, 3 year old gameplay style.

You've got good points there. But The more and more I look at Warhammer online the more I like the graphics! Alot! It appeals me more then WoW, and The PVP *Gameplay* attracts me more then WoW.

I think this game is going to be very good! -- * if you look through the screens you will see the cool details, and nice armor sets, and how dark and moody the whole environment is. *One of the screens has a goblin walking threw a swamp, and in the background you see a dwarf skeleton hanging on like a cross. Now thats cool stuff.

I'm sure War will have an interface like WoWs and other games, but thats not a big deal, It needs to be organized and pretty, so we know exactly how to kill our enemies.

*Finally, playing as Chaos will be cool, becuz there my favorite faction in DoW 40k, and warhammer lore, so it will be a dream come true in pvp, with its no holds bar mentality!

Cant wait!

Rowleyathep · July 2006

Originally posted by asupermane

Originally posted by Rowleyathep

As said before the whole Warcraft series of games and WoW has been taken in part from Games Workhop's Warhammer board games, and it has 6 million players, so why would they not use there idea, its not coping WoW its using what has been copied from them.

Imo I think the Video is amazing, it captures the War aspect of WAR very well, with good lighting and very good graphics. As for the Orks being first and the Orc smashing into the wall well thats what they are like, they only live to kill or be killed, thats there life. They are one of the most recognised races by alot of people that play fantasy games and also rings a bell with WoW players as well.

Also the comic part of it, i think lets you remember that this is a game, and therefore needs not only to be about hrs apon hrs of life wasting away before you computer screen fighting to the point it gets boring, it needs to also comprise some fun bits and bobs as well that are not fighting, take the Char dance emotes in WoW for example, is it not fun to make your 7 foot 2 tonne, mulse bound, green, scared, raged battle hardened Orc do the little silly thing now and again??

And as for the graphics ingame, I think they are very good indeed, and TBH I even if they could make a game look like the movie and everyone had a good enough computer to play it the lag woud be stupid, and make the game unplayable.

Remember that just because there are good graphics, does not by any means make it a good game. Gameplay is the key, and sometimes some of the simplist things make the most money:
Take for example a number of top selling things around the world and see how nice, but yet simplistic they are
Monoply - The worlds number one board game for what, about 25+ years!
WoW - Graphics are not amazing on that, does that bother 6 million players?
On the Rts games front you have the Command and Conquer series, looks nice but none of they look GREAT so to speack, but does that matter? no, because the fast paced gameplay is there.
So IMO the graphics look fine, I will be happy with fine, with little lag rather than amazing with lots of problems and having to buy a new computer. And as I said, I am more insterested in the gameplay than anything else.

Disclamer:
Where I wrote the word, "Simplistic" to describe games that were great I was NOT refering to SWG NGE, 3 year old gameplay style.

You've got good points there. But The more and more I look at Warhammer online the more I like the graphics! Alot! It appeals me more then WoW, and The PVP *Gameplay* attracts me more then WoW.

I think this game is going to be very good! -- * if you look through the screens you will see the cool details, and nice armor sets, and how dark and moody the whole environment is. *One of the screens has a goblin walking threw a swamp, and in the background you see a dwarf skeleton hanging on like a cross. Now thats cool stuff.

I'm sure War will have an interface like WoWs and other games, but thats not a big deal, It needs to be organized and pretty, so we know exactly how to kill our enemies.

*Finally, playing as Chaos will be cool, becuz there my favorite faction in DoW 40k, and warhammer lore, so it will be a dream come true in pvp, with its no holds bar mentality!

Cant wait!

I totally agree with what your saying there mate, I for one had not noticed the little details, such as the Dwarf skeleton, had another look at it, and seems that I might well be picking up things again the next time I watch it

Not decided what I want to play as yet, I certnatly do enjoy the 40K Chaos but am not to sure on the War version of them, well im sure Ill love the game and have a good bash at alot of the diffent types of play.

Thats what s making this more fun for me, I usually see a gae and think, "ow that could be nice, I might have a look at it when it comes out" but this is more of a "I can't wait to see what they come out with" kinda feeling

Very rarly do I get excited about a game, let alone one not even made yet, but this project has caught the eye and imagination god knows how many people world wide, that does not happen very often.

I suspect that this will be a game that will see me through a good couple of years, as SWG Pre CU woud of done if it was still going on

apocalance · July 2006

I understand the OP's point. If they could capture the mood/setting of the environment and have a fun game like the trailer, man WAR would be a HUGE success. However, I've never seen and MMO that could capture that type of gameplay. It's never that exciting. Yes, some encounters get your blood going (PvP) but that type of clashing combat with the flexibilities displayed in the trailer.. mmm

Petzen · July 2006

Originally posted by scaramoosh

It's not a fantasy game

I just died inside when I read that, Orcs and elves aren't fantasy ?

And my feeling of the game at the moment is that it gets pretty close to getting the "warhammer-feel"

Smirch · July 2006

I agree that it would be a nice contrast to see character models that were rougher around the edges...models that aren't purple skinned with a flowing mane of white hair...models that look more at home gutting a hill giant than mincing through the woods and frolicking with the animal folk.

littlefatboy · July 2006

if you want graphic like the video. then get a PS3!! lol they wont have this game but there will be some nice online RPG

mutombo55 · July 2006

Originally posted by scaramoosh

Apart from being a lame video, this is what it should look like (obviously not as amazing graphics as that.

You serious??

Firstly, the video was awesome. Funny to begin with then 2 nice 1v1 battles.

Secondly, its a pre-rendered CG scene. These sorts of things take a long time to make. Think Hollywood special effects. Each individual frame of that movie will have been rendered seperately on its own, and then the whole thing is put together into an actual video sequence. That is to say, even the PC/s that created this movie wouldnt be displaying them in real-time. Often these movies arent even created by the same company, as is the case here. A company called Blur created it. I believe they also did the latest Warhammer:Mark of Chaos one and the Warhammer 40K one as well. They were all awesome.

Thirdly, MMO's require alot of content. The higher the level of detail, the longer it takes to create each sword, axe, dire wolf etc etc. So they have to find a happy middle ground between looking good and time to create.

If you really expect an MMO to look as good as the video, you best stick to TV and board games for the next 10 years or so.

Lastly, and off-topic, its about time someone created a really good full-length CG movie - Final Fantasy was terrible and pointless, since they tried to just create realistic humans in mundane scenes with a couple of shoddy ghosts. Whats the point of that? just use real actors. Someone needs to make an awesome movie, lots of battles, cool effects etc. The War40K showed how good a battle could be done, while the lastest Mark of Chaos trailer showed how a great atmosphere can be created. WAR showed so awesome duels. I tells ya it could work and make some fat loot, I mean gold, I mean money....

gozzgull · August 2006

http://d89156.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/images/cit991594.jpg
warhammer orc
http://www.rackham-store.com/boutique/fiche_produit.cfm?type=587&ref=UKORVE01&code_lg=lg_fr&pag=1&num=7&tri=0&marq=0
rackham orc

http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/screenshots/full/SS_May_2006_02.jpg
warhammer online orc
http://www.regressionx.com/wow/Images/orc-warlock.gif
wow orc

notice in the WoW orc the upper lip is very exagerated as well as the arms, oh JUST like a warhammer figure!?!?

Warahmmer has been around since the first DnD books (citadel miniatures) and they have paved the way for almost any image in fantasy unless you just imagine what one looks like.

topic over

Clomner · August 2006

Well, lets see...

WoW's design models are obviously copied designs of the Warhammer Orc's design...

Personally, I'm not concerned too much about their graphics in-game, because I've seen little previews of such, and it seems to play and run a bit like WoW...With benefits. ~_^

But, the design of Orcs is, and should be rather humorous!!!

In the promo, who did not laugh when a war-hardened orc, yelling out his war-cry and screaming for a fight bashed his weapons and armor together in complete focus and battle-rage as you could see his adrenaline pumping with eagerness for war. And when he flew toward the castle from the launch, he was shot up with various arrows, to which he ignored as he raised his weapons, preparing to cross the border for WAR!

Then SPLAT...Like a bug on a windshield.

I was on the floor, laughing.

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