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Intel Core Duo vs Amd fx 62
scaramoosh
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I've been looking at the tests and yes Intel are infront (for now) but theres really not any different in performance.
- 4mb of cache does nothing for performance against 2mb cache.
- The AMD chip seems to be level in high res gaming but beaten in low res.
- Intels chip seems to drop massively the higher res you go while the AMDS stays steady.
- AMDS chip does better in the media apps
So why is AMD in trouble? Their not.
Theres no difference in high res gaming, infact intels seems to drop the higher you go.
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Your Right.
I'm primarily an Intel Fanboi! yea i said it. I think the new core duos are great. My laptop t2400 stays cool and runs fast.
I dont think we'll see any difference in fx62 or core 2 duo ex until vista and the vista dx10 games come out. THen we'll be sure to see the real performance from amd and intel. I like amd processors, but they havent done anything super different as of late, where Intel has been changing a lot.
-- I'm sure the intel chip can decode a video faster then the amd chip! but the higher res thing, this is the first time ive read anything about that. Plus the core 2 duos just came out, so we dont really know
-- Last thing i read was that the fastest core 2 duo is 20% faster then the fx62.
those stats could be off.
But overall I'd take either one!
Well tests show the AMD chis encoding media etc faster and the tests show the higher res and better graphics u go the lower the intels performance decreases against the amd's chip
example:
Oblivion, 640x480, minimum settings
Oblivion, 1024x768, maximum settings, no grass shadows
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Well tests show the AMD chis encoding media etc faster and the tests show the higher res and better graphics u go the lower the intels performance decreases against the amd's chip
example:
Oblivion, 640x480, minimum settings
Oblivion, 1024x768, maximum settings, no grass shadows
I dont know where you got those stats from... But you see no really large difference in super High end gaming because now the CPU is unleashed and the graphics card has become a bottle neck....
You might have the FASTEST car in the world... but you're not going anywhere if you have a red stop light..
that is the problem... The CPU's are fine... but they are not receiving information from the graphics card fast enough... And I'm really reluctant about your test finds... Please post a link so we may see where you got that from.
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Got em from gamespot.
I was just saying Intels cpu's are level with amds at high res/graphical gaming
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Yeah, I think Conroes got the edge now.
Gamespots Prey Hardware analysis has Conroe's performance wipping up on AMD. thats on the doom 3 engine. with crazy shadows/anti ect.
-- I think oblivion is hard game to compare hardware on , becuz even ati, and nvidia very when playing that game. so its hard to say that amd or intel is better at performing.
-- You got good points though. The difference in gaming is probably utterly unnoticeable!
Nah not at all... Intel is killing AMD in every test i've seen Here's some benchmarks from Anandtech.com
the Red bars are the two cheapest core 2 duos overclocked.
Now... to say that AMD's processor is level with Intel's is kinda pushing it... I can understand that you wont see much of a visual difference between 100 fps and 130 fps... But that is still a 30 fps hit that AMD takes.... how well do you think that will scale when the next set of highdef games come out?
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Hey, I"m defending Intel here too! I hope you wasnt talking to me! I know intel is pwning amd right now.
Your right though, when it comes down to high def gaming, the intel's 30+ fps will be extra help, especially even on say a 25" lcd wide screen.
-- it looks like the slower conroes e6300/e6400 are keeping up with teh fx 62. How impressive.
Why is AMD in trouble?
Intel Conroe E6600 $315.
AMD FX-62 $800.
The Conroe E6600 beats every single test against the $500 more CPU. And you're saying AMD isn't in trouble.
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really.....
thats exactly why DELL BOUGHT ALIENWARE JUST TO BE ABLE TO USE AMD CHIPS
cite your source also.
your just a fanboy, trying to make your opinion fact.
its a personal preference for chipset just like Nvidia vs ATI.
i prefer AMD and Intel.
Dell bought alienware because they knew they lost some sales because some people wanted AMD computers, so they went to gateway and compaq.
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i remember when kiamde changed his avatar and everyone freaked also....
but i still have mine.
this is my third sig and avatar.
i lost my best and first one which was my vampyr one riki, shae, and maybe a few others probable remember that from when i was vampyr.
i still have my punisher set, and i really like this one but if it becomes a real issue ill change it back.
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I also remember vampyr... But youve been the punisher for too long.. you can't change it now dude lol
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But them stats mean nothing :S
1. Motherboards effect the performance
2. different cards suit different cpus
3. memory effects on different cpus
etc etc.
Doesn't even list the res.
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I dont deny Intel cpu's are powerful but MY POINT WAS
IT seems the higher the res/graphic settings, the lower the intels chip seems to drop against amd's.
They are esact lvl at high res gaming and AMD's chip beats intels in media format.
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You're point is crap... because as resolutions approach zero... framerates even out across the board.... if using the same graphics card.... Thats why when people are benchmarking CPU's and Graphics cards... They try to STRAIN them... Put them understress... Because in real world situations.. that's going to be the real test......
So your benchmarks of 640x400 res graphics are a totally crappy way of testing anything these days... People test going upwards more towards stressing the chips to the limit...
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Meth, I expect better from you. Vixen is playing a broken record that's stuck on the SAME line over and over and over and over... you get my point
Look at the benchmarks. The comparable chip from AMD is NOT the FX 62....it's the X2 4800 or 5000. I can find the 4800 for under $390. The FX series is slowly being phased out for a reason. FX-60 and under is already dead and the rest are just gasping for air.
This has been the ongoing theme between Intel and AMD for YEARS now (I've been using both companies chips since AMD was still back on the K5s). Whoever comes out with the newest toy is almost always going to have the top dog for a while. Then it teetertotters back and forth. Intel fans better pray AMD doesn't go under because AMD is the fire under Intel's ass to keep them pumping out top-of-the-line tech and keeps their prices down. Vice Versa for AMD.
MoBos have a lot to do with the overall prices as well. From everything I have seen ( in the VERY limited released of Conroes: ie- find them on Pricewatch.com or Newegg.com ) the MoBo's are a smidge more costly. I'm not saying that the Conroe doesn't have an advantage right now, but anyone who runs around screaming "The sky is falling" for AMD or says they are "hurting" hasn't been in the computer industry for too long. I've heard people run around and say the same things about Intel when AMD broke records, but what do you know, Intel is still here. Neither company is in ANY danger of a looming backrupcy. AMD isn't Cyrix.
AMDs acquisition of ATI has just given them a lot of lifesblood to run with. I am not a fan of ATI myself (I think the hardware is superb but their software team needs to be flogged THEN fired. I've seen compatability issues with ATI on just about EVERY MMO I have played). So I doubt AMD is going anywhere anytime soon.
Intel isn't going anywhere anytime soon if so nothing else than they are Intel. Sadly, and to the dismay of all the gamers-who-think-the-world-revolves-around-them groups out there, there is a WHOLE, larger, more expensive side of the computer industry called the Commercial Market out there. Intel STILL holds the lion's share in that industry. Of all the data centers I've been in (each being well over 100,000 sq ft of nothing but servers, OC192s, and switches) Intel machines still dominate that market. However, AMD and Sun are both still in there making large chunks of change.
Where the concept of "AMD is hurting" came in because of ONE new chip from Intel I have no idea. AMD has had a very profitable second quarter so I don't know what concept of the word "hurting" you all are referring to. If it's because Intel has the topdog processor out there now, then y'all have a little to learn about overall business.
Does Intel have the fastest chip out right now? Yes. Is AMD thinking about closing their doors and commiting mass suicide? No. Welcome to the Technological Circle of Life, friends.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Meth, I expect better from you. Vixen is playing a broken record that's stuck on the SAME line over and over and over and over... you get my point
Look at the benchmarks. The comparable chip from AMD is NOT the FX 62....it's the X2 4800 or 5000. I can find the 4800 for under $390. The FX series is slowly being phased out for a reason. FX-60 and under is already dead and the rest are just gasping for air.
This has been the ongoing theme between Intel and AMD for YEARS now (I've been using both companies chips since AMD was still back on the K5s). Whoever comes out with the newest toy is almost always going to have the top dog for a while. Then it teetertotters back and forth. Intel fans better pray AMD doesn't go under because AMD is the fire under Intel's ass to keep them pumping out top-of-the-line tech and keeps their prices down. Vice Versa for AMD.
MoBos have a lot to do with the overall prices as well. From everything I have seen ( in the VERY limited released of Conroes: ie- find them on Pricewatch.com or Newegg.com ) the MoBo's are a smidge more costly. I'm not saying that the Conroe doesn't have an advantage right now, but anyone who runs around screaming "The sky is falling" for AMD or says they are "hurting" hasn't been in the computer industry for too long. I've heard people run around and say the same things about Intel when AMD broke records, but what do you know, Intel is still here. Neither company is in ANY danger of a looming backrupcy. AMD isn't Cyrix.
AMDs acquisition of ATI has just given them a lot of lifesblood to run with. I am not a fan of ATI myself (I think the hardware is superb but their software team needs to be flogged THEN fired. I've seen compatability issues with ATI on just about EVERY MMO I have played). So I doubt AMD is going anywhere anytime soon.
Intel isn't going anywhere anytime soon if so nothing else than they are Intel. Sadly, and to the dismay of all the gamers-who-think-the-world-revolves-around-them groups out there, there is a WHOLE, larger, more expensive side of the computer industry called the Commercial Market out there. Intel STILL holds the lion's share in that industry. Of all the data centers I've been in (each being well over 100,000 sq ft of nothing but servers, OC192s, and switches) Intel machines still dominate that market. However, AMD and Sun are both still in there making large chunks of change.
Where the concept of "AMD is hurting" came in because of ONE new chip from Intel I have no idea. AMD has had a very profitable second quarter so I don't know what concept of the word "hurting" you all are referring to. If it's because Intel has the topdog processor out there now, then y'all have a little to learn about overall business.
Does Intel have the fastest chip out right now? Yes. Is AMD thinking about closing their doors and commiting mass suicide? No. Welcome to the Technological Circle of Life, friends.
Yeah i know... It's just i was just in disbelief that this dude... used a debateble benchmark which was at 640x480 resolution as his reason for saying that Intel hasn't pimp slapped AMD....... But anyways... The price competitor with the conroe E6600 is the 4800+ or 5000+... but the performance competitor with the E6600 is the FX-62... They have really close scores in many benchmarks...
Dont get me wrong.. I'm in no way a Intel Fan boi... I just love the fact that Intel is pushing back... I love this competition between Companies... What this means to me is EVEN MORE research... EVEN more inventions and creating.... I'm just really excited to see what AMD is gonna pull to surpass, intel... I'm just waiting to see what happens..
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If people knew how to use Google, they could see that the E6600 beats the FX-62. Almost every benchmark has this information.
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=265&type=expert&pid=3
Here's a site. Even if the AMD Fx 62 beats the E6600 in some... I would still rather pay $315 then $800+. It's not a broken record, it's called facts.
Know what happens when someone keeps saying the same thing over and over and people say they are wrong... when the person with the FACTS is right...
The people are idiots and won't look up information.
First, "benchmarks" for the most part are worth their weight in dead flies. Spend ANY reasonable time in the IT industry and you realise that to be a cold, hard truth. Most "benchmarks" are generally biased to a certain processor. Hence, why you can normally find a benchmark that shows either chip winning if you look around all the choices of benchmarks. Welcome to the joys of lack of industry standards.
Second, I'm not disputing that the E6600 is superior...right now. It's about time, since the days of the K62 and the Thunderbirds, that Intel is once again the power AND price leader. I'm disputing claims that "AMD is in trouble". There's not a single shred of "fact" to back that up out there. In fact, have a looksie at Wall Street and see that AMD has had a wonderfully profitable 2nd quarter. Enough so that they just dropped $5.4 BILLION dollars to acquire ATI. Dunno about anyone else, but when I am "hurting" or in "trouble" I don't blow $5.4 billion bucks.
Final point, Intel IS on top right now. But this is the newest toy to hit the market (not even a week old and that shows in that fact that it's not widely available in it's OEM form). AMD was topdog for quite a while and now Intel has taken it back. This has been going back and forth since 1998. Nothing new here. Only "idiots" who are fanboys/girls will run around proclaiming EITHER side the decisive winner in the processor war. And only a BIGGER idiot would WANT a decisive winner in the processor war since we, the consumers, would be the ones to pay the price in the end.
Intel has the powerhouse for a great price now. That is a fact. Does it mean everyone should run out and buy Intel Conroes right now? No, that's the danger of bleeding edge technology. In 6 months or less you will probably see something more powerful for a better price-per-power deal come out. Will Intel be on top in 6 months? Who knows? No one does. AMD could drop the 4x4 bomb on us and we'll ALL be looking at the processors we have now and sobbing.
There's a reason why I have YET to waste my money on buying the top-of-the-line-today hardware out there. It's called being smart with my money. The 5% increase over the next step down items isn't worth the cost to me when the top-of-the-line is lucky to stay on top for more than 6 months. Why would I feel like I have to have the absolute top if I don't put it all to use? As long as my machines suit my needs they are worth their dollar value. I don't need to run around waving my epeen screaming "Look! I have the best processor out right now. I am cool. You should respect me or you're and idiot!".
There's a whole new world just around the corner for both hardware and software... Everyone would be wise not to put all their eggs into one basket at any given time and all the wiser to not run around belittling people for not agreeing with them.
"What is it I have against Microsoft, you ask? Well, you know how you feel when you wait for an MMO to come out and when it does you feel like you've paid to play it's beta test for another 6-9 months before anything even thinks of working the way it should? Being a network engineer you feel that way about anything Microsoft puts out."
Read about 1.8th of that.
Since it's all crap. All I was saying and there's NO reason to pick it apart.
When a $300 CPU can stand its ground with AMD's $800 flagship, that's AWESOME NEWS! No, it's NOT GOOD NEWS at all.
Why spend $500 more on an AMD... therefor AMD's in trouble RIGHT NOW... at this very second, time, minute, day, month on this rock we call Earth.
Not 2 years from now, or next few months, RIGHT NOW.
You see, AMD has money, AMD is well economicaly speaking... so they aren't in trouble... more. Intel have this new chip right now, and yes, I beleive Intel's sales will go up and AMD's will go down.. but that doesn't mean they are in trouble.
If you want to consider THIS moment, then AMD isn't in trouble.. it has lots of money, and a break in sales in THIS moment probably won't hurt them very much.
But probably, in some time, tehy will come up with a new better processor to compete with the Core Duo, and the sales will probably go up.
I don't know if you're able to see it, but the fact that Intel just brought a new more powerfull processor into the market doesn't mean AMD will struggle, or is struggling.. it doesn't, accept it.
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