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DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
in Star Wars Galaxies
What evidence is there that Pre-cu would Fix this whole situation ? Yes it would please a number of ex-customers . But how would it generate sales ? Say they release a classic server sometime this year . Would that generate enough sales to cover all the development /advertising costs made throughout the last year or so ? Do Not get me wrong , I am not saying further NGE development will pay off. But do you really think pre-cu would bring back all 100k+ subs lost in the last year ? Plus add to the total number of subs?

Clearly further Pre-cu /Cu development seemed a risky endeavor to SOE . Otherwise they would not of scrapped all development . I know most will say maintaining a pre-cu server/game is what they want to see . And I don't blame them one bit for thinking this way . I think we are all entitled to a pre-cu , It doesn't seem like to much to ask .

A pre-cu server Might be a short fix , And also create a bit of pocket stimulation for SOE/LA . But  would anyone like to see further development in the direction of NGE ,To see what it becomes ?







For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


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  • damicatzdamicatz Member Posts: 102
    Pre-CU wouldn't be a 100% fix.  People don't trust SOE/LA anymore. But it's a hell of a lot better than this NGE crap that was force-fed down players throats.

    At least with Pre-CU, you have to have an IQ to play.  And there weren't 598239823 Jedi running around waving glo-sticks.


  • jrscottjrscott Member Posts: 1,252

    Originally posted by damicatz
    Pre-CU wouldn't be a 100% fix.  People don't trust SOE/LA anymore. But it's a hell of a lot better than this NGE crap that was force-fed down players throats.

    At least with Pre-CU, you have to have an IQ to play.  And there weren't 598239823 Jedi running around waving glo-sticks.

    598239822...I quit last month.

    I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever :)

  • ReachwindReachwind Member Posts: 275

    A classic server would be full... BUT it wouldn't draw that many people that took their money elsewhere.

    Former SWG beta tester and player

  • SpiritCrawlerSpiritCrawler Member Posts: 157
    Pre-CU would not be a 100% fix for Star Wars Galaxies. LEC would need to look for another care taker of their game, a hardcore, devoted development team would need to be assemblied, and the community would have to learn to trust the new care takers. I don't see Star Wars Galaxies going any further with SOE. SOE has drug Star Wars Galaxies', LEC's, and every SWG players' name down in the dirt. A lot of work would need to be done. For LEC, it wouldn't be a win-win situation. I don't see a solution coming because of all the capital it would take to restart.

    Regards,
    SpiritCrawler

    "In faith there is enough light for those who want to believe and enough shadows to blind those who don''t." -Blaise Pascal

  • acmtalkacmtalk Member Posts: 405
    There would be 2 diferent games,  It would actually be better for SOE, all the vets would move to pre-cu, I think either pre-cu and NGE , can come up with # of players to cover the costs of development,  Pre-cu would have a lot of more players, But the NGE afeter done(if it ever gets), should atract all the stupid kids, + it might do well for PS3.

    And with the vets happy playing pre-cu, It would be less negative press/pressure for SOE.


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    Originally posted by SpiritCrawler
    Pre-CU would not be a 100% fix for Star Wars Galaxies. LEC would need to look for another care taker of their game, a hardcore, devoted development team would need to be assemblied, and the community would have to learn to trust the new care takers. I don't see Star Wars Galaxies going any further with SOE. SOE has drug Star Wars Galaxies', LEC's, and every SWG players' name down in the dirt. A lot of work would need to be done. For LEC, it wouldn't be a win-win situation. I don't see a solution coming because of all the capital it would take to restart.
    WELL SAID!!
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  • KylrathinKylrathin Member Posts: 426

    Originally posted by SpiritCrawler
    Pre-CU would not be a 100% fix for Star Wars Galaxies. LEC would need to look for another care taker of their game, a hardcore, devoted development team would need to be assemblied, and the community would have to learn to trust the new care takers. I don't see Star Wars Galaxies going any further with SOE. SOE has drug Star Wars Galaxies', LEC's, and every SWG players' name down in the dirt. A lot of work would need to be done. For LEC, it wouldn't be a win-win situation. I don't see a solution coming because of all the capital it would take to restart.
    Very well said.  QFE.

    The only way pre-CU would work if SOE did it, would be to make the development conditions the exact same as they were at launch.  The same management team, the same creative team, the same community team, and most importantly the same dev team.  Otherwise, you have SpiritCrawler's described situation.

    There's a sucker born every minute. - P.T. Barnum

  • War_DancerWar_Dancer Member Posts: 941
    It doesn't matter how much work they put into the NGE, the core design concepts the NGE is based on are completely unintresting to me.

  • MX13MX13 Member Posts: 2,489

    Good Post Troll Boy, I'm impressed...

    I would have added a few more options, such as "Would you support further side developement of the NGE Combat System?" Personally, I would. The funny thing is I played with the same key configuration as the NGE in the CU. It's the profession changes that were the DB for most people I think. The Blow that led to that was the Level System add for the CU.

    The NGE as a concept was a potentially good idea, but I have NEVER seen anything this poorly executed. If they would have kept the old Tree layout & SP system, and then split the Professions from the skills and given you enough Profession Points to master one profession, and enough Skill Points to master 2.5 skills, the NGE could have been a success. THEN you work on the combat speed, abilities & style.

    Instead they changed the Nature of the game for a second time, destroying the accomplishments of players. That's why many want a Rollback. They want back their Characters & all the time they invested.

    Good Post. Keep this up and may keep reading what you post.

    I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!

    In fact, forget the SWG!!!!

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  • MrArchyMrArchy Member Posts: 643

    I would support further development of the NGE system simply because some people (inexplicably) enjoy it, and the entire point of any game is to enjoy it.  I personally abhor and detest the NGE, but I have no problem if Obraik, pirgg, and BlazinBlades want to stay with it.

    My real concern in such a scenario is whether a pre-CU server (or set of servers) would itself be viable.  I have the gnawing suspicion that $OE would want to run it at some level (to get a slice of the pie, some steak, and some beer) even if they subcontracted portions of the admin out.  All it would take is one moderate SNAFU and every vet would be screaming bloody murder, ranting anti-$OE/LEC slogans, and an exodus would probably begin, etc.  The underlying problem is that, because of the 3+ years of unethical and underhanded actions of $OE and LEC, the SWG Refugees are the most fickle and hard-to-please playerbase currently in existence.  As a group, we're very demanding and difficult to please.  The Refugees generally state that all we want is pre-CU with no updates, but a game with no content adds is poor business model and I doubt any developer would go for it.  Instead such a developer would insist on adding content (by way of a good business model), and that is where the slippery slope begins.

    SWG Veteran and Refugee, Intrepid server
    NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005
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  • ShiloFieldsShiloFields Member Posts: 252

    I wouldn't come back if it were just some CU servers or pre-CU servers.  They would need to roll back all of the existing servers to at least November 14th. That's the only way that can restore the status quo ante.  Their would need to be additional measures as well to make up for the period of time we were prevented from playing the game because of the NGE.  Lastly they would need to publicly repudiate the NGE and admit how the tried to defraud the pre-CU players.

    If they want to create a new NGE server or two for people that like that play, that is fine.  They played the NGE in full knowledge that it was at the expense of other players.  Its a risk they took.

  • War_DancerWar_Dancer Member Posts: 941

    Originally posted by MrArchy

    I would support further development of the NGE system simply because some people (inexplicably) enjoy it, and the entire point of any game is to enjoy it.  I personally abhor and detest the NGE, but I have no problem if Obraik, pirgg, and BlazinBlades want to stay with it.
    Well I supose it depends what you mean by support there. Could I pretend to like it or give suggestions or advice on what should be done for it? No. Would I pay money to play on a Pre CU server knowing that money is going to develope the NGE further? No. If you mean support the idea that the money that the people who like it is being used to pay devs to further develope it then sure I don't mind that. Let it live or die by the support of the players that actuelly like it.
  • AthelaAthela Member Posts: 492

    I see offering Classic servers as a win win for all.

    They can put them out and generate alot of returns, goodwill, trust.

    They can continue to develop the NGE to be whatever they like.

    People can play on either server type.  It buys time for NGE development to go where they want, gives those craving some depth and wonder a place to be.

    If they want, they can put the Classic servers out and say they won't commit to changes or fixes on that game till the NGE game is where they want it to be.  It still provides a Field of Dreams situation.

    Also, since there has been such a high turnover in development staff, it gives the new devs a look at how the old system works with a live audience, how the code works (they seem to not understand how the old code functions exactly), and they can see what exactly are the things that people love and hate with the old system and it can help them as they're designing the new system.

  • ShaydeShayde Member Posts: 4,529
    I don't care if they develop the nge into a form that can be inserted rectally. (Although they kinda tried shoving it up our asses).

    They can make it into a damned cartoon... or add elves... or call it World of Star Warzythings.

    As long as I get MY game back... they can do whatever they want with theirs.


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    Proud member of the Cabal.
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  • mongd66mongd66 Member Posts: 35
    Take the game out back and shoot it
    All 4 legs are broken and it has Mad-Game disease
    Put it down now

    NOTHING... NOTHING can save SWG at this point

    Nothing

    The sooner it shuts down, the sooner the healing can begin (and development of a good StarWars MMO)


    SWG: 3 years, 3 game systems, 28 publish systems, 2 chapters, 0 smuggeling

  • ReachwindReachwind Member Posts: 275

    Originally posted by mongd66
    Take the game out back and shoot it
    All 4 legs are broken and it has Mad-Game disease
    Put it down now

    NOTHING... NOTHING can save SWG at this point

    Nothing

    The sooner it shuts down, the sooner the healing can begin (and development of a good StarWars MMO)



    I agree.

    No roll back is going to save SWG. It took its final breath when they started releasing Episode 1, 2 and 3 expansions.

    The things that would need to be fixed now are more than needed to be fixed before they tried fixing it with the CU and NGE.

    Former SWG beta tester and player

  • SpiritCrawlerSpiritCrawler Member Posts: 157

    Originally posted by MrArchy

    I would support further development of the NGE system simply because some people (inexplicably) enjoy it, and the entire point of any game is to enjoy it.  I personally abhor and detest the NGE, but I have no problem if Obraik, pirgg, and BlazinBlades want to stay with it.
    My real concern in such a scenario is whether a pre-CU server (or set of servers) would itself be viable.  I have the gnawing suspicion that $OE would want to run it at some level (to get a slice of the pie, some steak, and some beer) even if they subcontracted portions of the admin out.  All it would take is one moderate SNAFU and every vet would be screaming bloody murder, ranting anti-$OE/LEC slogans, and an exodus would probably begin, etc.  The underlying problem is that, because of the 3+ years of unethical and underhanded actions of $OE and LEC, the SWG Refugees are the most fickle and hard-to-please playerbase currently in existence.  As a group, we're very demanding and difficult to please.  The Refugees generally state that all we want is pre-CU with no updates, but a game with no content adds is poor business model and I doubt any developer would go for it.  Instead such a developer would insist on adding content (by way of a good business model), and that is where the slippery slope begins.
    That is exactly right. QFE. Star Wars Galaxies was a great game. The community as a whole has had expectations of a MMO like Star Wars Galaxies, but their hasn't been one yet to match the likeness of the game we have loved. That is the main reason SWG refugees cry out for the game they love because every other MMO is lacking the things that made SWG what it was. I really don't see Pre-CU returning, simply because of all the "unethical and underhanded actions." However, in the future, I see another MMO company that will look into SWG and find the positives and negatives and create something that will appease SWG refugees' hunger. Atleast this is my prayer. I am one of the refugees who can't find another MMO to play because of what I've experienced. I almost wish I hadn't experienced SWG because my expectations are so high.

    Regards,
    SpiritCrawler

    "In faith there is enough light for those who want to believe and enough shadows to blind those who don''t." -Blaise Pascal

  • War_DancerWar_Dancer Member Posts: 941

    Originally posted by SpiritCrawler

    Originally posted by MrArchy

    I would support further development of the NGE system simply because some people (inexplicably) enjoy it, and the entire point of any game is to enjoy it.  I personally abhor and detest the NGE, but I have no problem if Obraik, pirgg, and BlazinBlades want to stay with it.
    My real concern in such a scenario is whether a pre-CU server (or set of servers) would itself be viable.  I have the gnawing suspicion that $OE would want to run it at some level (to get a slice of the pie, some steak, and some beer) even if they subcontracted portions of the admin out.  All it would take is one moderate SNAFU and every vet would be screaming bloody murder, ranting anti-$OE/LEC slogans, and an exodus would probably begin, etc.  The underlying problem is that, because of the 3+ years of unethical and underhanded actions of $OE and LEC, the SWG Refugees are the most fickle and hard-to-please playerbase currently in existence.  As a group, we're very demanding and difficult to please.  The Refugees generally state that all we want is pre-CU with no updates, but a game with no content adds is poor business model and I doubt any developer would go for it.  Instead such a developer would insist on adding content (by way of a good business model), and that is where the slippery slope begins.
    That is exactly right. QFE. Star Wars Galaxies was a great game. The community as a whole has had expectations of a MMO like Star Wars Galaxies, but their hasn't been one yet to match the likeness of the game we have loved. That is the main reason SWG refugees cry out for the game they love because every other MMO is lacking the things that made SWG what it was. I really don't see Pre-CU returning, simply because of all the "unethical and underhanded actions." However, in the future, I see another MMO company that will look into SWG and find the positives and negatives and create something that will appease SWG refugees' hunger. Atleast this is my prayer. I am one of the refugees who can't find another MMO to play because of what I've experienced. I almost wish I hadn't experienced SWG because my expectations are so high.


    Did you ever look at Sega of Ryzom SpiritCrawler? It's not the same as old SWG but it is the closest I've seen to it with a skill instead of level and class system and a important player crafter created economy. It's not for everyone but it is the closest I've seen out at the moment.
  • SpiritCrawlerSpiritCrawler Member Posts: 157

    Originally posted by War_Dancer
    "Did you ever look at Sega of Ryzom SpiritCrawler? It's not the same as old SWG but it is the closest I've seen to it with a skill instead of level and class system and a important player crafter created economy. It's not for everyone but it is the closest I've seen out at the moment."

    Yes I did, War_Dancer. SoR meets a few of those expectations, but it lacks the community, in my opinion.

    Regards,
    SpiritCrawler

    "In faith there is enough light for those who want to believe and enough shadows to blind those who don''t." -Blaise Pascal

  • War_DancerWar_Dancer Member Posts: 941

    Originally posted by SpiritCrawler

    Originally posted by War_Dancer
    "Did you ever look at Sega of Ryzom SpiritCrawler? It's not the same as old SWG but it is the closest I've seen to it with a skill instead of level and class system and a important player crafter created economy. It's not for everyone but it is the closest I've seen out at the moment."

    Yes I did, War_Dancer. SoR meets a few of those expectations, but it lacks the community, in my opinion.

    I actuely like the community there alot better then the old SWG one but it's your opinion that counts for you liking it or not so fair enough
  • SpiritCrawlerSpiritCrawler Member Posts: 157
    I just didn't feel like I was surrounded by a lot of players.

    Regards,
    SpiritCrawler

    "In faith there is enough light for those who want to believe and enough shadows to blind those who don''t." -Blaise Pascal

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