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Lord of the Rings Online: Oh a-Raiding We Will Go
Stradden
Managing EditorMember CommonPosts: 6,696
Turbine and Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar have released a new Developer Diary from Jared "Amlug" Hall-Dugas. The title of the Diary is "Oh a-Raiding We Will Go!" The Diary is too long to print in its entirety here, but if you follow the link below you can get it all.
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We've done it! We've discovered the formula for fun: [(x * 2.342) + (y * 2) + z4] / 24 = FUN! Um, what? (See? You should have paid more attention in algebra class&I'll come back to this in a moment.) Raids... Yes, we mean raids. The same raids that weren't originally planned for our game (see "Friends Don't Let Friends Tank Balrogs"). This isn't so much a philosophical change in our game, but rather an additional gameplay dynamic we have decided to include. For some members of our community, this means much rejoicing, but for others, there's a bit more concern, even fear. I'm here to give you a little more information about our raid plans to help alleviate some of those fears. |
Read it all here.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
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Ugh. Remember Middle Earth Online, before Turbine got to it? I miss that game in development, and oh how far away it seems right now.
LotRO has become so much more like the popular mmorpgs of today, why would I want to play it aside from the fact that it is in Middle Earth? Sorry, but that isn't enough these days. The game has to be fun,engaging, and have a personality all of it's own.
Turbine's vision of LotRO has become twisted and turned. Now there will be PvP. Now there will be raiding. What else? Well, let's look at World of Warcraft and Everquest II and see what works for them and just include that in our version of Middle Earth!
I was afraid that Turbine would treat poor Tolkien's works badly. Please, oh please, let me be wrong.
They are turning it into World of Ringcraft and it pisses me off to no end.
Im too annoyed to even qualify my somewhat sweeping and opinionated declaration.
A curse upon Turbine and their works.
TAm
I agree. I play a non-combat character in every MMORPG I buy. What use are raids to me?
I require more than PvP, raids and PvE to satisfy my gaming needs. If LotRO is going to sacrifice a deep meaningful game world in order to be a WoW clone, I want no part in the game.
We have one WoW game. What do we need another one for?
Oh joy, just when I thought things might be O.K., Turbine has once again found a way to torpedo another lucrative liscense
It always starts that way: 'Yeah, we're goign against what we said and putting in Raid content, but don't worry, there will still be an equal amount of solo/non-raid content for end-game as well!"
Then after a few months: "Raid-or-Die plz."
Damn you Turbine....
Edit: BTW, that's not the formula for fun, that's the formula for uneccessary guild drama and mindless grinding.
Puyo Pollomy!*
If, 1 year after release, I see casual dominating the game, I will consider it. However it is unlikely and I will laugh and figure how pointless this game is as they fail to deliver this promise. Good luck, because casuals are...casuals. The fact they have the tools isn't enough to make them succeed, they have to understand it and do it. Good luck, I don't believe casuals will master the game, they will be a significant notch behind. As a hardcore grouper (not raider), I don't trust this shitty talk about "raiding been an option". I will believe it the day I will see it, it is an obligation in every game I saw so far. Keeping everyone busy is hard, making sure the casual master the game (their wording, not mine) without losing hardcores peoples is daydreaming IMO. You have to put stuff for the casuals to master, and stuff for other players to master as well. Been the best in zone A is worth something, something some players will do...Zone B might appeal more to other players...anyway, not like they are going to understand today, tomorrow or anyday.
On a side note, these devs are funny. They put an algebra formulae and they explain it with no math logic, with an introduction, developpment in 3 steps and a conclusion. I don't say their formulae is wrong, I say that with what they told us, it mean nothing, it is useless. This is like a guy who wasn't able to do math and try to put some math in everything to look cool and think he is uber doing it.
* As to my initial quote, for all the peoples who doesn't recognize it, I don't blame you. It is the "turn undead" call from the old guy in "Histoire de fantome chinois". An old movie with some style in it. Considering he turn evil ghosts...and that they are feeding us a "Bradish" logic about raiding not been enforced, LOL.
PS: You do realise that all raiding games who happen to be "action-driven" fails at raiding completely and totally? See, in a game like CoH, just getting a group of 8 players to work and not wipe endlessly is a feat, since all the monsters have a "perfect" coordination when activated and they all trash the nearest player...see, if half the mobs attack 1 player, that is like a player soloing the mobs for 4 players...almost...anyway...I hate raiding and I am not particuliarly a fan of action, mixing these 2 together never work in the past and I won't be there to witness it IF it works eventually for some game...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
The game concept has long gone past shaming the memory of Tolkien. I can´t understand why Turbine can´t make their WoW/EQ2 clone without ruining such a prestigious title on the way. Well, I hope they atleast make enough money of it, else next thing we know they are ruining the next fantastic literature classic. Maybe Dune, yeah, Westwood didn´t harm the title, so give the rights over to Turbine, they´ll do it.
The same things happens within the WoW community, which is probably one of the worst MMO communities I've experienced. Although not everyone is horrid, but for those who haven't seen it, you should see the reaction a lot of players get from hard-core raiders for requesting more casual content for end-game instead of throwing in more raid level stuff.
I realise that there has to be a balance of content for the full strata of players, but throwing in raid content only feeds braggadocio, just like one of the other posters said, you'll eventually have raiders whining about how they should get better gear than the casuals, and how casuals wishing for some love of their own will be told to "STFU and GTFO, Raid-or-Die noob!"
I was hoping with LotRO to get away from the large e-peen WoW community, looks like I'll have to find another game now. It's sad too, becasue I really love Middle-Earth and Tolkien's works, they're what got me into fantasy in the first place. Talk about doing a diservice to the name.
Today, I got the D´n´L vibes in the off. LoTR forum. Blind fanboism, bashing everything that implies (or states) that the game is in fact moving toward the WoW approach or (god forbid) that the game is moving with 100 m/s towards that gigantic pile of crap. Which it is.
Its incredibly interesting to see the differences in attitude toward this announcement from the US forums and the Euro. As mentioned in this thread, US forums are packed full of the "STFU NooB, raiding roxxorz" replies.
Go take a look at the Euro posts, very different. In many MMO's i have tended to play on US servers because of exisiting friendships, but if I ever do play LOTRO, looks like ill be playing closer to home. The community seems much more stable and mature.
Still its all very disapointing, so again i repeat...
World of Ringcraft is here!
A curse upon Turbine and all their works
Tam
I did also see evidence of Turbine Fanboi-ism (They have fans?) in defending the dev's stance on the inclusion of Raiding. Largely with weak arguments about "The Dev's said the content would still be the same, jsut more options!" yeah-huh, they hoenstly believe that?
It may start out balanced between casual end-game and raiding end-game, but after experiencing what happened to WoW (which iirc they kept saying would not try to be EQ) that balance will be destroyed quicker than a straw hut in a tornado. Like other posters have said, you'll start to get the hard-core, e-peen raiders who demand (e.g.: bitch and whine) that because they raid that they should get the best gear, and it should only be accessible to them, and that casuals who do not wish to or have the time to invest in raiding should "learn2play or stfu and gtfo, QQ some more plz."
*sigh*
gg Turbine...gg...
What they are really saying is ..
"We have no clue how to make an endgame and since we can't think of anything new we decided to copy everyone else. Also we want to be able to have some of our players think they are Gods and give their little Epeens some length"
Support Bacteria, its the only culture some people have.
*sigh*
I havnet been following MEO, or whatever they are calling this now, ever since I heard Turbine had it. I told people that Turbine would ruin the 2 best licences in the MMO world, D&D and Lord of the Rings. DDO is terrible,and it looks like LotR Online is going to flop like a 400 pound fat guy in a swimming pool. Off the 10 meter platform.
Great job Turbine for taking my 2 favorite licences and taking a dump on them.
See if I ever look at another game you develop.
/bird
Another old worn out eq clone...after WoW I have decided never to buy a game that has raiding because you know that will be the main focus so I'll say goodbye before I ever said hello.