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Warhammer: over hyped?
incogniton
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Seems like every post hyping up warhammer is based on the fact that it has been around 20+ years,has good lore and is being developed by Mythic. Does it really bring anything new that WoW doesn't have? Does it really have the same boring grind in every aspect of the game?
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Putting aside the vastly superior background and art, WAR is bringing a lot to the table (by design, at least): elements that haven't been seen in a modern game. Highlights for me, include:
- Parallel PvP/PvE advancement: you'll be able to focus on one or mix them up, from the start.
- Focus on Warfare: this is the lauded RvR. Competing with enemy realms will be content from the start, so rather than killing bats, dogs, and birds for beginning quests, you'll be scalping dwarfs, stealing beer, and trying to "win" at quests against the opposing side (think WoW's sand, but as basic content alongside your starter quests). This as well as your standard PvP.
- Major sieges against enemy cities, replacing the 40-man endgame grind of WoW. Think attacking Stormwind in large or small groups, and getting your "phat lewt" drops from NPCs. This will include quests to capture enemy leaders, burn down buildings, use siege weapons, and all manner of small and large-group content.
- Less loot dependence.
- No decaying PvP rewards.
- Less reliance on certain class archetypes: no dedicated healers or tanks.
- Attackable towns in contested areas: this is war, not WoW-playground-recess.
- At least five classes (or careers) for each race, with class-specific armor, appearance, and loot, with plenty of crafting and quest reward visual modification. No more rainbow-armored noobs and identical-looking endgame armor.
- Gotta say it again: vastly superior background, story, and world design. Warcraft is exactly like a toned-down, less epic, Saturday morning cartoon version of Warhammer. Nearly the same, just less of everything cool.
And it has a soul.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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QFT(even tho chaos sucks :P)
If you have to ask the last two questions, then you did not actually read up on the game. What it has that WoW does not have is RvR, city raiding as part of the endgame, more the then likely 24 different classes if not more ( and possibly secret classes if what I read about the slayer turns out to be true). It will have a more lateral advancement system which is better for a PvP centered game, customizable armor, siege weapons. One thing that has got me really anxious to get the game is the recent class info on the Black Orcs and Ironbreakers. Both melee tanks for the respective races but have distinctly different fighting styles, as opposed to WoW where both sides of the conflict are mirror images of another (more so when BC gets released)
What boring grind are you talking about? The boring grind of PvP were every battle is not the same. Granted that WAR will have PvE which is needed in any MMORPG, but I doubt it will be the grind that is WoW.
war will be awesome. warhammer is better then warcraft no doubt bout it.
this game isnt overhyped, its fact
Another thing wrong with WoW concerning this was all of the end game raiding content was that a Gnome Warrior armour got the same looking armour as a Tauren Warrior did. Whereas the Tanker Classes, again, will look different depending on race.
I want more info, l but I want WAR in general a lot more
(even tho chaos sucks :P)
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summed up RvR try the DaoC 14 day trial. You can easilly get a char to lvl 20 and into your first major battleground (thid) within a day. Hours if you know someone with a high lvl toon that will pwr level you, it can literally be done in hours.
Warhammer will offer RvR on a far grander scale than DaoC. Mythic understands how to make large scale PvP work, and work seemlessly.
The warhammer universe is just so rich in lore and lends itself perfectly to an epic struggle. The game will be grittier than WoW. Dont get me wrong. WoW is built for the casual gamer. Extremely streamlined with a low learning curve.
Warhammer will have more depth, without comprimising on fun. Grinding...err well considering Warhammer will have lateral advancement instead of levels....*poof* OMG someone took away the grind stick!!!!!!
And Mythic's other baby DaoC you actually have to turn off xp so that you dont level too quickly (yes...there is an /xp off command). It's possible to advance and advance quickly in RvR situations. Large battles with multitudes dying in your midst.
Perhaps PvP isnt your thing, but I know it's the most anticipated aspect for me when I think about the game. Large scale PvP, Seiging and pillaging. A diverse crafting system. No need to look for endgame content...kinda due to the fact that there is no endgame per say. You continue to evolve, as do the others around you.
Don't forget that even if you do PvE it isnt entirely grinding as there are community chain quests
{Such as the Giant being chased by the squigg in one of the E3 movies}
If you haven't seen that movie and dont want to bother looking for it I'll give you the run-down on it.
Firstly a Giant is being chased by a squigg so your quest is to kill 20 or so of them, however if someone else in the area with the quest kills a Squigg it counts towards your quest, his quest and anyone else in the area who also has the quest {Hence the "Community Quests" title} However once you and everyone in the area finishes the quest a new quest is brough forth, after all the running the giant is no thirsty and wants you, and everyone else to bring him beer by the keg
So basically once one quest in the community is finished the next one is started and everyone gets their own reward reguardless of what they did/didn't do.
This is just an example one taken from an E3 video so if it has changed don't shoot me
Another thing wrong with WoW concerning this was all of the end game raiding content was that a Gnome Warrior armour got the same looking armour as a Tauren Warrior did. Whereas the Tanker Classes, again, will look different depending on race.
I want more info, l but I want WAR in general a lot more
Its more than a clever re wording, in July's newsletter a description of both classes were given. The Black Orc while a tank, will have moves that debuff and or disorient his primary target and will be able to chain follow-up moves depending on the targets status. The Ironbreaker the dwarven tank uses a grudge system, in which he gets more powerful when you attack him or his allies and will do higher damage against target he/she has a grudge against. Two different fighting systems for the melee tanks of the different races, both with their own strengths and weaknesses. Though I am not naive enough to believe there wont be some possiblity for overlap in basic warrior moves, (ie something like a Heroic strike) but the difference is enough to make me want to make both classes to try them out.
Also one thing about War that i think is better then WoW is that a part of the combat system in War makes group clearly benefical to player. The Morale system which allows players to cast insane spells, perform nice moves increases faster when in a group then solo, so grouping up will allow you to use higher level morale abilities quicker and more often. WoW has no such motivation to cause players to group in PvP
Who cares how long the game has been around? has anyone that is hyping this game up with no clue ,ever played the previous versions of warhammer??I have and it was horrrible,absolutely a 1/10 game.When i see all you [gonna use the word NAIVE!] rather than idiots hyping up something before you even have a chance to play it are ridiculous.I will repeat once again,that the movie/s are nothing what gameplay will be like,so quit hyping what you have no clue about.
Let the game come out with a beta ,then draw conclusions on REAL fact.Maybe alot of you naive people should ask MYTHIC for some money,since i'm sure they love the no-clue hype.
SCRIPTED movies they look nice but who cares?why don't they show something that will be in actuality from gameplay?easy answer,because the scripted movies look better and offer more hype that it deserves.
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Another thing wrong with WoW concerning this was all of the end game raiding content was that a Gnome Warrior armour got the same looking armour as a Tauren Warrior did. Whereas the Tanker Classes, again, will look different depending on race.
I want more info, l but I want WAR in general a lot more
Its more than a clever re wording, in July's newsletter a description of both classes were given. The Black Orc while a tank, will have moves that debuff and or disorient his primary target and will be able to chain follow-up moves depending on the targets status. The Ironbreaker the dwarven tank uses a grudge system, in which he gets more powerful when you attack him or his allies and will do higher damage against target he/she has a grudge against. Two different fighting systems for the melee tanks of the different races, both with their own strengths and weaknesses. Though I am not naive enough to believe there wont be some possiblity for overlap in basic warrior moves, (ie something like a Heroic strike) but the difference is enough to make me want to make both classes to try them out.
Also one thing about War that i think is better then WoW is that a part of the combat system in War makes group clearly benefical to player. The Morale system which allows players to cast insane spells, perform nice moves increases faster when in a group then solo, so grouping up will allow you to use higher level morale abilities quicker and more often. WoW has no such motivation to cause players to group in PvP
I've read the July newsletter, as I have kept an eye out like a hawk for each newsletter, and I sure hope that really is the case to give each race a real unique feel. Unlike in other MMOs I played when the classes just got reworded (Auto Assault being the most recent example).
Either way every in WAR sounds like its a win-win, still can't wait.
even tho i like WAR, and is very excited for the arrival, i somehow still seem to question the class uniqueness..
if each race will have something like what we would call "the ubar-plated", then they will at some period make two of them alike(almost alike, atleast)?
even tho i find the way black orcs fight VERY unique compared to other "ubar-plated" classes for the other races - even if they havent been released yet :P
i still think many of them will be based upon ironbreakers more "tanking" based fighting style.
ur right, it isnt.
its gonna be sweet.
rvr pvp sounds cool too
i like how theres not an emphasis on pve and raiding, and gear.
i hope it feals like a war. and it will
I have huge hopes for the game. I love RvR. Full scale PvP where multy groups just have at it.
but I hate to be an asstard when I say this lol. I'm still worried about EA. Not trolling here but go to their main site and search by genre from the north american (canada/us) for rpg's.
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If the previous verisons of warhammer were made by Mythic then there would be probably be need to worry. If you are talking about the table top game then maybe thats not your cup of tea. Secondly this is not Mythics second MMORPG that is rvr centered.
If the trailer was the only thing that was out on the game I might agree with you., but its not there is gameplay footage as well interviews with developers. Also no one is stated that the tralier is the reason they are hyped about the the game, however people have mentioned that there are hyped about the features slated to be in the game.
Warhammer Fantasy Battles? Which edition? Mordheim? Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay? Shadow of the Horned Rat? Novels or comics?
And isn't the point of hype to measure one's excitement for a game? If that's the case, it is certainly a 10/10 in my book, 'cause the background and story put it leagues beyond anything else out there.
(even tho chaos sucks :P)
Don't worry.. The blood for our lords has to spill from somewhere.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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rvr created by mythic put it at 12/10 in mine. try the doac 14 day trial. massive group rvr is the way pvp should be played. I've done enough solo pvp to realize the fun in their system
Shayde you seem likea good bloke and for the most part you've been in agreement with anything i'VE THOUGHT about in pricipal. but you have a nasty habit of throwing in a comment just as I'm posting something....j00 got radar?
Personally I think with the background/history of Warhammer and how well Mythic has handled PVP/RVR in DAoC I think it'll be a fun game.
WoW is not a PVP game, its a PVE game. That's a mistake I made also, thinking WoW was going to actually BE a pvp game.
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