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maxanto
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Ok I am a SWG vet. I played from day 1 of public release for 2.5 years till the lovely NGE came out. I wanted a roll back in the beginning because I thought the new game was crap. But no longer... and please read all of this before flaming ok?
We as vets got screwed big time. All our acomplishments down the drain cause of what SOE did. Now imagine if you started playing the game when the NGE first came out. You have been playing for wot nearly a year? (7-8 months right) and suddenly SOE deciedes to listen to the old vets and guess what... all your work, and acomplishments are washed down the tube cause some players who have not played in a year are being catered to... instead of you their actual paying customer.
Let that sink in a bit. Realize for all of you who are begging for the destruction of the NGE is really the destruction of your fellow gamers. Keep that in mind. We all know SOE doesn't care either way. Something to think about.
We as vets got screwed big time. All our acomplishments down the drain cause of what SOE did. Now imagine if you started playing the game when the NGE first came out. You have been playing for wot nearly a year? (7-8 months right) and suddenly SOE deciedes to listen to the old vets and guess what... all your work, and acomplishments are washed down the tube cause some players who have not played in a year are being catered to... instead of you their actual paying customer.
Let that sink in a bit. Realize for all of you who are begging for the destruction of the NGE is really the destruction of your fellow gamers. Keep that in mind. We all know SOE doesn't care either way. Something to think about.
Comments
1: There are a lot less NGE lovers than pre-CU lovers, a lot less people would be crying. Doesn't justify it at all, but I'm just saying.
2: Part of me wants to see the NGE fanbois wallow in the same misery we all had to wallow in.
3: For the most part, I see pre-CU fanbois (myself included) ask for pre-CU servers, as in new ones where we can start from scratch. I believe it's a very small minority that want a rollback of the current servers, or a transfer of their current toons to would be pre-CU servers.
4: Two wrongs don't make a right, I'm not out to ruin anyone's fun. All we're asking is keep the NGE servers, give us a few pre-CU servers, that's all. Everyone's happy then. It's so simple and yet they want to force feed us manure.
I realize it and it's the right thing to do. And quite honestly, there really isn't much over the last 8 months to throw away, the game is boring easy-mode now...
Comparing that to my stat items, lost real Jedi, lost Exceptional Weps, lost attachments, lost hours of play, lost hours of crafting, lost friends & lost accomplishements, that arguement holds no comparison...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
You'll get no flames from me as you are correct.
That being said, SOE can still apologize and open up some classic servers for the rest of the people who like to read and stuff in their game can't they?
Sago Mactow
Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet
6/26/03 - 1/26/06
Jedi, Master Shipwright, Master Architect
DFR Councilman
Tarq Server
Why would i wish people to get treated badly, and for some the thought of swg burning is apealling sure.
What you have to realise is these people. ($oe) have shown that a loyale customer to them are cheap trash to be thrown out at a wim.
Im not sure who gave this reply to all those who complained about the first CU " those who are now complaining are those who could exploit the old system and dont want to lose this"
It was something along those lines. That for me was the true face of $oe. All those players that had started from the go and where upset at the change where Exploiters.
Im glad you like what they now offer now, but dont get to comfy. Because if another bean counter comes into the $oe offices claiming we need to reach another Target audience, they will rip what you have now to peices again.
its the company not the current player i have a beef with.
But seriously, nobody is asking to destroy this.
Most would be even happier with re-launch of a classic server.
The NGE sucks, most of us feel that way.
The sub numbers reflect that.
SOE officials are now admitting it was a failure.
If you like playing the NGE, thats cool
We dont want your game destroyed for you like ours was.
BUT WE WANT OUR GAME BACK.
The thing is max,
We will get our game back one way or another.
Will the NGE survive? I dunno, I doubt it
Mayybe one day you can have a NGE EMU
SOE released a complete game change on the heels of an expansion twice.
That is basically a form of bait and switch. You go out and buy an expansion for each of your accounts, and THEN they release a game changing patch that may in fact cause you to want to cancel your account. Further, they do not let people who prepaid for game time to the original game have a refund for the time on the new game they are advertising as the original.
It's not about ruining the game for those still playing, it's about not supporting a company with shit ethics.
Former SWG beta tester and player
Actually, I'm just kind of curious as to what accomplishments were made since the NGE.
1) Jetpacks easier to acquire. However jetpacks were in the pre-NGE game and therefore would not be lost if the system changed back.
2) Restuss event items. I never truly looked to see what people could earn with their commendations, so I don't know if the items have significant stats that would need to be adjusted or not.
Anything else that the NGE introduced in the way of accomplishments?
I agree that I would prefer seeing new servers set up for pre-NGE instead of changing back all the servers, though.
Actually, I'm just kind of curious as to what accomplishments were made since the NGE.
1) Jetpacks easier to acquire. However jetpacks were in the pre-NGE game and therefore would not be lost if the system changed back.
2) Restuss event items. I never truly looked to see what people could earn with their commendations, so I don't know if the items have significant stats that would need to be adjusted or not.
Anything else that the NGE introduced in the way of accomplishments?
Dangerous mentality. Almost SOE-like.
What about the Thranta bracelet you receive during Legacy quest?
How about the GPS item you get from one of Jabba's themepark quests?
Or the badge one received for participating in the Restuss event?
Your city, which just reached rank 3?
A house you decorated with your friend containing the best of Mustafar loot?
Or the egg you looted from the first Nova Trooper you killed alone?
A blue force crystal proudly standing on the table in your house to remind you of your first visit to Force Caves POI?
Be careful when evaluating accomplishments.
I think everyone are well beyond asking for a rollback at this point, and I feel that those who are posting that on the official board either mean classic servers, or they simply do not differentiate between the two (more of a "I don't care what you do, just give me my old game back" sort of statement).
Even so, I fail to see what kind of accomplishments people have done in the NGE would be invalidated by a rollback to the old system - they can't roll back the entire game, obviously, so there would need to be a conversion from the NGE characters and items to a pre-CU equivalent. The only accomplishments available in the NGE seems to be CL90 and various loot, all of which would be perfectly convertable. As far as I know there are no overpowered legendary items around anymore either, so any conversion that would have made those into regular weapons, was already done with the NGE conversion.
Regardless, I feel there is a point to what you say (the OP, that is), but as several have already pointed out, setting up classic servers would not have this kind of effect, and that is what people are actually asking for (as far as I interpret it anyway).
There is however a good chance that the NGE servers would become even less populated than they are now, which indirectly would invalidate achievements by people rolling new characters on the classic servers to actually get to play with other people, but that's not really the same thing at all. And who knows - maybe those who like the NGE would stick with it even if classic servers were set up.
Most of us are asking for new classic servers for that reason. They could easily offer free transfers to consolidate the NGE toons onto a few servers and convert the rest to fresh classic servers.
Most of the vets aren't the self-centered assholes that you try to make us out to be. We do realize that at this point a straight rollback isn't a viable option. That's why we've been asking for CLASSIC SERVERS for some time. I don't think the NGE fanbois should lose their game like we did, but they shouldn't have their game at the expense of our game either.
Move the NGE fanbois to a few NGE servers and the rest can be started as fresh classic servers.
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I support random drug testing for all SOE employees
Actually, I'm just kind of curious as to what accomplishments were made since the NGE.
1) Jetpacks easier to acquire. However jetpacks were in the pre-NGE game and therefore would not be lost if the system changed back.
2) Restuss event items. I never truly looked to see what people could earn with their commendations, so I don't know if the items have significant stats that would need to be adjusted or not.
Anything else that the NGE introduced in the way of accomplishments?
Dangerous mentality. Almost SOE-like.
What about the Thranta bracelet you receive during Legacy quest?
How about the GPS item you get from one of Jabba's themepark quests?
Or the badge one received for participating in the Restuss event?
Your city, which just reached rank 3?
A house you decorated with your friend containing the best of Mustafar loot?
Or the egg you looted from the first Nova Trooper you killed alone?
A blue force crystal proudly standing on the table in your house to remind you of your first visit to Force Caves POI?
Be careful when evaluating accomplishments.
ROFL.... OMG.... LMAO....
Oh, thank you.... man I needed that today... whew....
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I mean a Rollback... and so does my Guild...
A Guildie recently put a poll on our site asking if you would support a FULL Pre-NGE Rollback if it meant loosing everything you had done over the last few months. There were a few concerns, but every single current & former SWG players said they would... The funny thing, is that most concerns from existing players revolved around loosing thier Alt's, and they STILL said yes...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Keep that in mind. I really don't care about the people who support the stinken NGE. Life isn't fair,
and the NGE population is one of the worest sets of childish, immature "me me me" folks I have the unfortunate opprotunity to meet.
So, DOWN WITH THE NGE! DOWN WITH ITS SUPPORTERS!
Ah, here it is:
Almost 6 months: Do you like the Gameplay?
Plus, the remaining players are either fanatics or WoW kiddies. The fanatics will stay no matter what. And the WoW kiddies will move on sooner or later, no matter what happends.
Plus, they're assholes who spam every negative post on the official forms with "stfu quit whining".
Either way, I hope they don't rollback. I'd rather never play SWG again than see SOE make money.
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I mean a Rollback... and so does my Guild...
A Guildie recently put a poll on our site asking if you would support a FULL Pre-NGE Rollback if it meant loosing everything you had done over the last few months. There were a few concerns, but every single current & former SWG players said they would... The funny thing, is that most concerns from existing players revolved around loosing thier Alt's, and they STILL said yes...
Then I stand corrected
I still believe most people asking for a "rollback" don't actually mean a full rollback as such (I could be wrong, obviously), but there's a lot of people who haven't actually played enough to achieve anything at all in the NGE, and for those a full rollback would be perfectly acceptable.
Personally, I haven't played enough to achieve anything at all, other than a fairly decent pile of money from selling all my weaponsmithing resources. A full rollback would take that money away, but it would also give me back my resources and allow me to continue where I left off as a weaponsmith. But I still don't want a full rollback, mainly because I know it'll never happen. It's been too long for that to be a viable option. That's why I want a classic server, with or without transfer - I don't care. I'll sign off my several hundred million credits in a hearbeat and start from scratch if it will let me play on a classic server.
Ah... but would you like it if they could do it? That's the real question....
We would all gladly take Classic Servers, but if they could rollback, would you accept it? Are there negatives? Sure, but no one in my Guild wouldn't pick a Rollback over Classic Servers... Would we take Classic servers? Absolutly...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
At first release of NGE, I called for rollback. Same goes for the CU. Now as time has moved on and seeing how inept SOE is at handling their backups and conversions - I serioulsy doubt that a rollback would be possible without hiring a team of people who actually know what in the hell they are doing. I almost assumed that it was universally understood that many of us would settle for a few PreCu servers.
However, that being said - I really feel I must add this with all of the bitter irony that drips from it. It is now that I turn the NGE fan's words back at them. Its SOE's game and the TOA state that there will be changes in gameplay. They knew from previous history that Sony had a history of gameplay changes that nullified time, effort and accomplishments. They wagged their fingers and smirked as they quipped, "Its only a game. Deal with it." They acknowledged that they "play the game because they enjoy it" which means they wouldn't hold it against SOE for repeating thier crimes against its playerbase just as long as they could play in the Star Wars Universe.
Bitter medicine. Street goes both ways and SOE is a snake that bites without prejudice. They should change that SOE motto to "Play at your own risk".
Ah... but would you like it if they could do it? That's the real question....
We would all gladly take Classic Servers, but if they could rollback, would you accept it? Are there negatives? Sure, but no one in my Guild wouldn't pick a Rollback over Classic Servers... Would we take Classic servers? Absolutly...
Yes, I would accept it for the reasons I described. From a pure selfish standpoint, I would also like it. If I got to choose between a rollback and classic servers, I'd choose a rollback. I just don't believe it's a viable option anymore, whereas classic servers are.
I would however understand the massive flames that would happen if they did do a full rollback
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
the 'NGEers' are like what 2-3 thousand people ? its that at the MOST. The rest are Vets who are begging for the old days and too stubborn to quit.
Id quite happily upset the minority for the betterment of the majority